EXPERIENCE OF FAITH

[warner]

EXPERIENCE OF FAITH

From Baptist Priest to Islam


Prof. Debra Mubashshir, a former ordained preacher was the guest of the Islamic Propagation Centre International recently. She impacted greatly on South African society with her charm, warmth, and fascinating perspective of Islam and what it meant to her. Hers is an enchanting story of a woman who was born and bred in a Christian home and community but who could not resist the attraction of Islam and its magnetic pull.

Prof Debra Mubashshir's interest in Islam was purely academic, and she never intended for Islam to touch her heart, but she could not keep out the divine intervention that directed her.

She set out to do a study of Sister Claire Evans, the wife of the founder of the Nation of Islam, Mr Elijah Muhammed, and what was supposed to be a purely scholarly endeavour turned into a personal spiritual journey that led to her transition from Christianity to Islam.

"I knew Islam to be a kind of perverted form of Christianity. Well this is what I was taught in the Church. I did not believe that there was anything worthy in Islam and I had this perception of Muslims as having very little to contribute to my development, if anything at all. I was happy where I was, well that is what I thought, and was not searching for another faith, she said.

But as she embarked on her study she came into contact with Muslims, particularly a group of African American sisters whose impact on her made her to re-examine her perception of Muslims and Islam. But the further she delved into Islam and the more contact she made with Muslims the more she began to like what she saw and experience.

"But at this stage I was beginning to feel angry with myself for allowing myself to be influenced beyond what was supposed to be a purely academic study of Islam. 'I'm a priest and have a congregation to look after, how could I allow myself to be attracted to another faith, particularly one alien to Christians. But the more I tried to convince myself that my interest in Islam and Muslims was purely intellectual the more I was drawn to it. I was so captivated by these African American Muslim sisters who led such extraordinary lives, and whose sheer force of personality were so awesome. Their lives mirrored Islam in a way that made me see beyond the stereotyped perspective I had of Islam and Muslims. These Muslim women had something that I did not have and so much wanted. They had the Muslim way of life and Al-Islam, God's last testament to mankind," she said.

Prof Debra said that once she allowed herself to look beyond the negative labels she had of Muslims Allah opened her heart and removed the blinders so that she could see Islam for what it truly was 'a way of life and eternal truth for mankind ordained by Allah.'

"Many Muslims who have been born and bred as Muslims often do not appreciate the gift that they have which no one else have. Those who have inherited the faith from their parents often do not appreciate its real worth and value," she said.

She breaks down and cry when she spoke of what she called 'her transition to Islam', which was to her the greatest moment in her life. She can't hold back her tears of joy and thanked the Almighty Allah Whom she called 'The Merciful Redeemer' for guiding her to Islam.

"When I finally declared 'my shahadah' declaring that there is only One God and that Prophet Muhammed is the final messenger of Allah, it came as a shock to my congregation. 'The couples that I married in the Church wanted to know whether their vows are still valid, and the children that I baptised enquired whether they needed to be re-baptised?' "

Prof Debra had so much to lose by making the transition to Islam. She had to forego the scholarship that she applied for and was due to her. She gave up the Christian ministry that was a fulltime vocation in favour of Islam, a religion without priesthood. But Christianity's loss was a tremendous gain for Islam. She is a woman and believer of substance who brings with her commitment and involvement.

"When I made my transition to Islam I had to learn how to pray. Although I was a priest and led other people in prayer I did not know how to pray to God, especially as a Muslim do," she said.

Prof Debra has made an earnest appeal to Muslims to go out with the message of Islam and touched the lives of others.

"You have so much to give to people who are groping for love, guidance, and hope. You'll have to reach out with all your heart and touched the lives of a hurting, crying and desperate human race," she said.

 

[warner]

African attorney's transition from Catholicism to Islam

He was rummaging through some old books in his library and came across Sheikh Ahmed Deedat's book, Crucifixion or Cruci-fiction? which shook his faith and radically changed his concept of God and his entire life.

What made a distinguished attorney, a proud Zulu by birth and a son of the African soil give up the Catholic Church in which he was raised in favour of Islam? This was a faith he was taught to be wary of.


Attorney Dawood Ngwane was not searching for a new religion. He was quite pleased and happy as he was. At least that was what he thought. He was simply looking for a law journal in a heap of old books when he stumbled upon Sheikh Deedat's book, Crucifixion or Cruci-fiction? The title of this little booklet immediately grabbed his attention and stuck in his mind. He placed the booklet one side and felt an urgency to read it.



Once he started reading the booklet he could not put it down. It had plunged him into a decisive moment of deep questioning. He had reached a point in his life where he doubted his core beliefs. He mustered the courage to go and talk to Sheikh Ahmed Deedat at the IPCI with the intention of convincing him that he got it all wrong.

"My personal encounter with Sheikh Deedat further weakened my faith in the Trinity," Attorney Dawood said.

But attorney Ngwane is a man of great substance and he was not going to walk away from the Catholic Church without consulting his Bishop at the Marian Hill Diocese, a place where he loyally and devotedly served the Church and the Christian community.

Clutching Sheikh Deedat's booklet under his arm, he approached his Bishop. "My Lord, I have a problem," Attorney Ngwane said. "Yes, what's your problem?" he responded. "I no longer believe that God is a trinity," I said to him. "He nearly collapsed. He never thought that he was going to hear those words from me, because I was so firmly rooted in the Church."
In a firm and authoritative voice the Bishop asked him, "what has happened to you?" Attorney Dawood Ngwane handed him Sheikh Deedat's book, and asked him to read it and to get back to him with his response.

Three months passed and there was still no response from the Bishop. Attorney Ngwane informed the Diocese Management Committee what transpired between him and the Bishop and they were quite shocked. The committee then decided to arrange a meeting between him and Father Doncabe with whom he could discuss his questions of faith.

"When I met Reverend Father Doncabe he had several Bibles with him. Father Doncabe said that I need to understand right from the outset that the 'TRINITY IS NOT IN THE BIBLE AND THAT IT IS THE TEACHINGS OF THE CHURCH'."

At this point Attorney Ngwane knew that it was time for him to move on and made his transition from Catholicism to Islam in 1995, at the age of 65.

 

[aiki]

Warner:

These are very sad examples of the alluring power of the Father of Lies.

1 John 2:19 - "They went out from us, but they were not of us: for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us."

One in whom the Holy Spirit truly dwells perseveres to the end. Such a one cannot, given who lives within them and is drawing them onward into the deeper life lived in Christ, ultimately do otherwise. Oh, there are slips and wanderings, to be sure, but there is also an irrepressible yearning, fostered by the Holy Spirit, to know and walk with God that brings a true Christian finally to a deeper trust in, and fuller loyalty to, Christ.

There have been defectors from the Christian faith all through the centuries. But this is true for Islam as well. Many of them have converted to Christianity.

In Christ, Aiki.

 

[warner]

Warner:

These are very sad examples of the alluring power of the Father of Lies.

1 John 2:19 - "They went out from us, but they were not of us: for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us."

One in whom the Holy Spirit truly dwells perseveres to the end. Such a one cannot, given who lives within them and is drawing them onward into the deeper life lived in Christ, ultimately do otherwise. Oh, there are slips and wanderings, to be sure, but there is also an irrepressible yearning, fostered by the Holy Spirit, to know and walk with God that brings a true Christian finally to a deeper trust in, and fuller loyalty to, Christ.

There have been defectors from the Christian faith all through the centuries. But this is true for Islam as well. Many of them have converted to Christianity.

In Christ, Aiki.

These are the stories of Priests and Missionaries, and people of Knowledge of Christiany.They run in hundreds if not thousands.If men and women of the church (priests and Preachers are leaving the Church then you have a problem) These are Just two stories I have posted there are loads.It seems that Islam is becoming the religion of christians priests and preachers. Those who are converting from Islam to any other religion are not Knowledgeable people, who do not know even their own religion much and also those who are in deep poverty and missionaries going there offering them help and money and then converting them. I can show you loads of testimonies of these conversions.That is a different case.These are people here who have knowledge and had faith in Christianity, neither of these two ( nor any other of the Priesta and preachers or missionaries who came to Islam) had any intention of changing their religion.Yet they were guided.
Peace
:angel:

 

[YESHUA]

Warner:

These are very sad examples of the alluring power of the Father of Lies.

1 John 2:19 - "They went out from us, but they were not of us: for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us."

One in whom the Holy Spirit truly dwells perseveres to the end. Such a one cannot, given who lives within them and is drawing them onward into the deeper life lived in Christ, ultimately do otherwise. Oh, there are slips and wanderings, to be sure, but there is also an irrepressible yearning, fostered by the Holy Spirit, to know and walk with God that brings a true Christian finally to a deeper trust in, and fuller loyalty to, Christ.

There have been defectors from the Christian faith all through the centuries. But this is true for Islam as well. Many of them have converted to Christianity.

In Christ, Aiki.

These are the stories of Priests and Missionaries, and people of Knowledge of Christiany.They run in hundreds if not thousands.If men and women of the church (priests and Preachers are leaving the Church then you have a problem) These are Just two stories I have posted there are loads.It seems that Islam is becoming the religion of christians priests and preachers. Those who are converting from Islam to any other religion are not Knowledgeable people, who do not know even their own religion much and also those who are in deep poverty and missionaries going there offering them help and money and then converting them. I can show you loads of testimonies of these conversions.That is a different case.These are people here who have knowledge and had faith in Christianity, neither of these two ( nor any other of the Priesta and preachers or missionaries who came to Islam) had any intention of changing their religion.Yet they were guided.
Peace
:angel:

Maybe we should start practics what the muslim does to other muslim who convert? namely killing them you don't se that in christianity do you? so why then is it so in Islam if its the same GOD we worship?
shalom and love in the name of YESHUA, did you read the conversion of the muslim to Christianity who they were being persecuted?

 

[warner]

Warner:

These are very sad examples of the alluring power of the Father of Lies.

1 John 2:19 - "They went out from us, but they were not of us: for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us."

One in whom the Holy Spirit truly dwells perseveres to the end. Such a one cannot, given who lives within them and is drawing them onward into the deeper life lived in Christ, ultimately do otherwise. Oh, there are slips and wanderings, to be sure, but there is also an irrepressible yearning, fostered by the Holy Spirit, to know and walk with God that brings a true Christian finally to a deeper trust in, and fuller loyalty to, Christ.

There have been defectors from the Christian faith all through the centuries. But this is true for Islam as well. Many of them have converted to Christianity.

In Christ, Aiki.

These are the stories of Priests and Missionaries, and people of Knowledge of Christiany.They run in hundreds if not thousands.If men and women of the church (priests and Preachers are leaving the Church then you have a problem) These are Just two stories I have posted there are loads.It seems that Islam is becoming the religion of christians priests and preachers. Those who are converting from Islam to any other religion are not Knowledgeable people, who do not know even their own religion much and also those who are in deep poverty and missionaries going there offering them help and money and then converting them. I can show you loads of testimonies of these conversions.That is a different case.These are people here who have knowledge and had faith in Christianity, neither of these two ( nor any other of the Priesta and preachers or missionaries who came to Islam) had any intention of changing their religion.Yet they were guided.
Peace
:angel:

Maybe we should start practics what the muslim does to other muslim who convert? namely killing them you don't se that in christianity do you? so why then is it so in Islam if its the same GOD we worship?
shalom and love in the name of YESHUA, did you read the conversion of the muslim to Christianity who they were being persecuted?

Deutronomy
13:6
If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
13:8
Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
13:9
But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
13:10
And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die;

In Bold and red so you can see and not forget.


1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

5 Thou hypocrite,
5 Thou hypocrite,
5 Thou hypocrite,
Clear and simple from the Bible
Peace
:angel:

 

[YESHUA]

Warner:

These are very sad examples of the alluring power of the Father of Lies.

1 John 2:19 - "They went out from us, but they were not of us: for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us."

One in whom the Holy Spirit truly dwells perseveres to the end. Such a one cannot, given who lives within them and is drawing them onward into the deeper life lived in Christ, ultimately do otherwise. Oh, there are slips and wanderings, to be sure, but there is also an irrepressible yearning, fostered by the Holy Spirit, to know and walk with God that brings a true Christian finally to a deeper trust in, and fuller loyalty to, Christ.

There have been defectors from the Christian faith all through the centuries. But this is true for Islam as well. Many of them have converted to Christianity.

In Christ, Aiki.

These are the stories of Priests and Missionaries, and people of Knowledge of Christiany.They run in hundreds if not thousands.If men and women of the church (priests and Preachers are leaving the Church then you have a problem) These are Just two stories I have posted there are loads.It seems that Islam is becoming the religion of christians priests and preachers. Those who are converting from Islam to any other religion are not Knowledgeable people, who do not know even their own religion much and also those who are in deep poverty and missionaries going there offering them help and money and then converting them. I can show you loads of testimonies of these conversions.That is a different case.These are people here who have knowledge and had faith in Christianity, neither of these two ( nor any other of the Priesta and preachers or missionaries who came to Islam) had any intention of changing their religion.Yet they were guided.
Peace
:angel:

Maybe we should start practics what the muslim does to other muslim who convert? namely killing them you don't se that in christianity do you? so why then is it so in Islam if its the same GOD we worship?
shalom and love in the name of YESHUA, did you read the conversion of the muslim to Christianity who they were being persecuted?

Deutronomy
13:6
If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
13:8
Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
13:9
But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
13:10
And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die;

In Bold and red so you can see and not forget.


1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

5 Thou hypocrite,
5 Thou hypocrite,
5 Thou hypocrite,
Clear and simple from the Bible
Peace
:angel:

If I am a hypocrite what does it make you?
Your judging me for having a beam in my eye?
And what do you have in your eye? a forest maybe?
I like blue better my friend ok?
shalom and love in teh name of YESHUA the only way to paradise, not Muhammad he is the sure way to hell.
chana

 

[warner]

Warner:

These are very sad examples of the alluring power of the Father of Lies.

1 John 2:19 - "They went out from us, but they were not of us: for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us."

One in whom the Holy Spirit truly dwells perseveres to the end. Such a one cannot, given who lives within them and is drawing them onward into the deeper life lived in Christ, ultimately do otherwise. Oh, there are slips and wanderings, to be sure, but there is also an irrepressible yearning, fostered by the Holy Spirit, to know and walk with God that brings a true Christian finally to a deeper trust in, and fuller loyalty to, Christ.

There have been defectors from the Christian faith all through the centuries. But this is true for Islam as well. Many of them have converted to Christianity.

In Christ, Aiki.

These are the stories of Priests and Missionaries, and people of Knowledge of Christiany.They run in hundreds if not thousands.If men and women of the church (priests and Preachers are leaving the Church then you have a problem) These are Just two stories I have posted there are loads.It seems that Islam is becoming the religion of christians priests and preachers. Those who are converting from Islam to any other religion are not Knowledgeable people, who do not know even their own religion much and also those who are in deep poverty and missionaries going there offering them help and money and then converting them. I can show you loads of testimonies of these conversions.That is a different case.These are people here who have knowledge and had faith in Christianity, neither of these two ( nor any other of the Priesta and preachers or missionaries who came to Islam) had any intention of changing their religion.Yet they were guided.
Peace
:angel:

Maybe we should start practics what the muslim does to other muslim who convert? namely killing them you don't se that in christianity do you? so why then is it so in Islam if its the same GOD we worship?
shalom and love in the name of YESHUA, did you read the conversion of the muslim to Christianity who they were being persecuted?

Deutronomy
13:6
If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
13:8
Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
13:9
But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
13:10
And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die;

In Bold and red so you can see and not forget.


1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

5 Thou hypocrite,
5 Thou hypocrite,
5 Thou hypocrite,
Clear and simple from the Bible
Peace
:angel:

If I am a hypocrite what does it make you?
Your judging me for having a beam in my eye?
And what do you have in your eye? a forest maybe?
I like blue better my friend ok?
shalom and love in teh name of YESHUA the only way to paradise, not Muhammad he is the sure way to hell.
chana

I don't go round cussing other people's religions, I learn about mine and about others too. All you posts I have read have slandered Islam rather than promote your religion, if it is not worthy of promoting then don't cuss others, only if you have something better. you don't seem tohave better so all you can do is cuss others.You don't seem to know enough of yours and other religions that is why all you can do is slander others.By the way if you are angry about the Hypocrite thing that wasn't from me Jesus said that.Go and read your bible it is loaded full of this if only you see it.You only want to read and see where it says Jesus was the son of GOD or GOD and that is it nothing else matters. GO read don't die of ignorance.
May be then GOd will have mercy on you and those verses that Jesus said will not apply to you.
Peace
:angel:

 

[Gary]

....talking about cursing another's religion....

We have Muhammad (the thug) as a PRIME example. In his booklet, the Quran, he curses Jews and Christians.

Even on his death bed, Muhammad was cursing the Jews and the Christians.

... the last statement made by Muhammad was "O Lord, perish the Jews and the Christians. They made churches on the graves of their Prophets. Beware, there should be no two faiths in Arabia."

So much for your so-called "prophet". He was a thug. Both his words and actions prove it.

8-) 8-)

 

[warner]

....talking about cursing another's religion....

We have Muhammad (the thug) as a PRIME example. In his booklet, the Quran, he curses Jews and Christians.

Even on his death bed, Muhammad was cursing the Jews and the Christians.

... the last statement made by Muhammad was "O Lord, perish the Jews and the Christians. They made churches on the graves of their Prophets. Beware, there should be no two faiths in Arabia."

So much for your so-called "prophet". He was a thug. Both his words and actions prove it.

8-) 8-)

1. it is sad that you know little of Islam and Little of your own faith but prefer to slander, first of all if you read your own bbile you would see how theJews get cursed in there by your own beloved savior and by Moses too. So why Blame it all on the priophet Mohamed when he too was Cursing what Jesus and Moses cursed.Your problem is not with Jesus and moses Of course you justr hate Islam and the prophet Mohamed even if you know very little about him.Again I am not surprised since you get all your Biased info from from biased websites.
2.With all the Knowledge that you have about Islam did you not know how many times the Jews tried to kill the Prophet Mohamed. same as Jesus, he Cursed them because of their evil. If you do not know then i suggest you go and find out rather than Just slandering. he cursed them on his death bed because a Jewish woman tried to poison him and this still afffected him on his death bed.If you did not Know that go and learn.May be you do not want to know the truth, you want to hide the truth and propagate lies, as if he hated them for nothing they were just sitting minding their own business. You wouldn't be blessing people who tried to kill you, and also they Killed other prophets.Moses told then they rebeleld against GOD, So if you love GOD do you then love those who rebelled against him. who were the ones intent on killing Jesus, Muslims? Was it the prophet Mohamed who Condemned Jesus to death,Even after Pilate found him innocent.So why blame Muslims for all your troubles.look in the Mirror and in your own back yard the Culprit is there. Go and learn more about your own religion and others too so you don't make a fool of yourself.GOD gave us an intellect, use it properly. Again it show how much you know about the person you are slandering.Read my lips, Mohamed did not write the Quran.It was revelead to him.He could not read nor write
Peace
:angel:

 

[warner]

....talking about cursing another's religion....

We have Muhammad (the thug) as a PRIME example. In his booklet, the Quran, he curses Jews and Christians.

Even on his death bed, Muhammad was cursing the Jews and the Christians.

... the last statement made by Muhammad was "O Lord, perish the Jews and the Christians. They made churches on the graves of their Prophets. Beware, there should be no two faiths in Arabia."

So much for your so-called "prophet". He was a thug. Both his words and actions prove it.

8-) 8-)

He was just as much of a thug as Moses and Jesus the Prince of Peace who came to put the world on fire were.

 

[Gary]

Cursing or forgiveness?

Comparing Muhammad to Jesus

• JESUS: "Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing." Luke 23:34. (Said while being nailed to the cross at Calvary after being betrayed and sentenced to die for no legitimate reason).

• MUHAMMAD: "May Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of the prophets." (Muhammad had been poisoned years earlier and the poison had slowly worked its effect. He said this while dying in the arms of his wife Aisha). Bukhari, Vol. 1, #427. -here-

Comment

Christ asks God to forgive His enemies, while Muhammad utters a bitter curse against those who rejected his assertion of prophethood. Wouldn't it have been more appropriate for Muhammad to ask Allah to guide the Christians and Jews?

Jesus taught us about false prophets. He said: “By their fruits you will know themâ€Â.

:-?

 

[Muhsen]

Very nice Posts brother Warner, may God Bless you

 

[warner]

Cursing or forgiveness?

Comparing Muhammad to Jesus

• JESUS: "Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing." Luke 23:34. (Said while being nailed to the cross at Calvary after being betrayed and sentenced to die for no legitimate reason).

• MUHAMMAD: "May Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of the prophets." (Muhammad had been poisoned years earlier and the poison had slowly worked its effect. He said this while dying in the arms of his wife Aisha). Bukhari, Vol. 1, #427. -here-

Comment

Christ asks God to forgive His enemies, while Muhammad utters a bitter curse against those who rejected his assertion of prophethood. Wouldn't it have been more appropriate for Muhammad to ask Allah to guide the Christians and Jews?

Jesus taught us about false prophets. He said: “By their fruits you will know themâ€Â.

:-?

I pity the ignorance in you, not you but the ignorance in you, you slander a man that you do not know anything at all about.Had you known a little bit him i would uncderstand but your pretended knowledge about Islam is nothing more than just Ignorance, lies and slander.
Had you known the truth about the prophet mohamed Peace be upon him you would have known that when he was being stoned by the people of Taif who he went and spread the Message to, While he was bleeding form head to toe he raised his hands and asked GOD to forgive these people because they don't know what they are doing , it may be that their future generations get guided to the truth. There are many other instance too where he prayed for people who persecuted him.Just that you don't want to know about the truth.
So do yourself a favour and stop making a fool of yourself.As I tolod you that even your saviour cursed the Jews and so did Moses so why do you not hate them.May god have Mercy upon you befor death reaches yuo. and may he take you out of the pit of darkness you are in. Your problem is because he cursed your forefathers the Jews. When people rebel against GOD and you love GOD who do you love the rebellious one or GOD. You seem to love the rebellious ones the ones who killed prophets of GOd.All this is in your books.Read and learn the truth
Jesus already told you which side you are on.The hypocrites
Peace
:angel:

 

[Free]

First things first:

As I tolod you that even your saviour cursed the Jews and so did Moses so why do you not hate them.May god have Mercy upon you befor death reaches yuo. and may he take you out of the pit of darkness you are in. Your problem is because he cursed your forefathers the Jews. When people rebel against GOD and you love GOD who do you love the rebellious one or GOD. You seem to love the rebellious ones the ones who killed prophets of GOd.All this is in your books.Read and learn the truth
Jesus already told you which side you are on.The hypocrites

Do not spread hatred for any other race or religion in these forums.

I knew Islam to be a kind of perverted form of Christianity. Well this is what I was taught in the Church. I did not believe that there was anything worthy in Islam and I had this perception of Muslims as having very little to contribute to my development, if anything at all.

The thing is, what the church taught her was right. This is from another thread in here:

My argument was not that since Christianity is older it is more correct, but rather that, as is obvious to anyone who has studied Islam even to a small degree, Islam borrows many things from Christianity but rejects what they mean.

The Kor'an speaks of Christ, his virgin birth and his miracles, yet they reject the significance of those things and claim he was just another prophet. They claim he wasn't really crucified and didn't die to atone for the sins of man. The Kor'an was supposedly revealed to Muhammed by the angel Gabriel, who "just happens" to be the angel who told Mary about the child within.

Everything they claim and know of Christ, most of all of what is written if Jesus in the Kor'an comes from the Bible, yet they reject the Bible claiming, without any evidence whatsoever, that it is corrupt. Not only is it contradictory, but I would like to know how they know what Christians haven't known for 2000 years, especially when there is no evidence of such a serious claim.

The possibility is also there of a link between a heretical group of followers of Christ and Muhammed. The group, who rejected the divine origins of Christ, fled to the area in which Muhammed resided.

Anyway, you get the idea. There is too much in common for Islam to be just another religion. Islam is very much a Christian heresy.

 

[warner]

First things first:

As I tolod you that even your saviour cursed the Jews and so did Moses so why do you not hate them.May god have Mercy upon you befor death reaches yuo. and may he take you out of the pit of darkness you are in. Your problem is because he cursed your forefathers the Jews. When people rebel against GOD and you love GOD who do you love the rebellious one or GOD. You seem to love the rebellious ones the ones who killed prophets of GOd.All this is in your books.Read and learn the truth
Jesus already told you which side you are on.The hypocrites

Do not spread hatred for any other race or religion in these forums.

I knew Islam to be a kind of perverted form of Christianity. Well this is what I was taught in the Church. I did not believe that there was anything worthy in Islam and I had this perception of Muslims as having very little to contribute to my development, if anything at all.

The thing is, what the church taught her was right. This is from another thread in here:

My argument was not that since Christianity is older it is more correct, but rather that, as is obvious to anyone who has studied Islam even to a small degree, Islam borrows many things from Christianity but rejects what they mean.

The Kor'an speaks of Christ, his virgin birth and his miracles, yet they reject the significance of those things and claim he was just another prophet. They claim he wasn't really crucified and didn't die to atone for the sins of man. The Kor'an was supposedly revealed to Muhammed by the angel Gabriel, who "just happens" to be the angel who told Mary about the child within.

Everything they claim and know of Christ, most of all of what is written if Jesus in the Kor'an comes from the Bible, yet they reject the Bible claiming, without any evidence whatsoever, that it is corrupt. Not only is it contradictory, but I would like to know how they know what Christians haven't known for 2000 years, especially when there is no evidence of such a serious claim.

The possibility is also there of a link between a heretical group of followers of Christ and Muhammed. The group, who rejected the divine origins of Christ, fled to the area in which Muhammed resided.

Anyway, you get the idea. There is too much in common for Islam to be just another religion. Islam is very much a Christian heresy.

Do not spread hatred for any other race or religion in these forums.

How very christian of you to tell me not spread hate on this forum while the so to say Lip service christians are Spreading hate against Islam and the Prophet Mohammed(peace be upon him) You(plural) like to do it on to others but do not like it don't onto you. may be you should tell this to your fellow christians who enjoy slandering Islam and it prophet.
Pity how those who say they are christians practice the complete opposite of what Jesus came to preach.They want all the world to beleive their doctrine, when there are loads of flaws in it and even their own scholars agree that the Bible has serious defects.Do you not read your Bible, read the preface of the RSV. It tells you that the Bible Has serious defects and the defects were so serious they needed recopying.Do you expect others to beleive in scripture that have no authenticty, whose authors are doubtful, whereverses have been added or removed because they are not in Original scriptures. You want others to walk in the darkness with you. The bible, if you do not Know says that Jesus is a prophet too.when you read the Bible do you disregard these verses and see only what you wish to see.
Again it shows in you too how much you know about any religion let alone your own.Islam did not borrow anything form anyone. GOD revelaed the Quran, the GOD of Abraham, Moses,Jesus and of Mohammed (peace be upon them all).They all beleived in the one GOD the same not My god and your GOD.Jesus has said it to you people so many times but you refuse to see.
You say what the Church taught her was right, you don't know half of the lies that the church teaches Missionaries and priests about islam.Had they taught them the truth and let them understand it for themselves would be a different issue. This is why so many of the Christians priests and preachers when they see the trruth about Isam that has been hidden from the for so many years they leave Chrsitianity and come to Islam.
peace
:angel:

 

[Blazin Bones]

Well, since we can't all play nice, this thread is getting locked. Warner, you better start watching what you say. This is your first and last free pass.

As for what Jesus Preached. In John 14:6 Jesus said something completely contradictory of what Muhammed said.

Case Closed!