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Bible Study Facts Many Christians Find Hard To Admit

Facts Many Christians Find Hard To Admit

1.) Many do not have 'eyes to see and ears to hear'. (Ezek.12:2; Isaiah 6; Isaiah 29:9-14):

Matt 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto Him, "Why speakest Thou unto them in parables?"
11 He answered and said unto them, "Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given."
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias (Greek for Isaiah), which saith, 'By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.' (Jesus quoting from Isaiah 6:9-10).

This lack of having eyes to see and ears to hear is still going on today, as God revealed it would until Christ's second coming. That Truth is hinted at in Chapter 6 of Isaiah the prophet pointing to Christ Messiah's second coming. This situation has caused, and is causing some of the many confused doctrines of men to be taught today. Many 'have to' just accept what they are told to believe, because they can't understand The Word for themselves. To some It is given to know, but they can't find a Church teaching the 'meat' of The Word. Maybe this is your situation? It is not given to everyone to understand The Word; and God has His reasons for it, which can be discovered in Paul's writings.
This lack of 'eyes to see...' by many will eventually lead many Churches today into the 'one-world religion', already slowly coming to completion. It's ultimate king will be none other than Satan, on earth, claiming to be Jesus Christ. It is called, 'MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH' (Revelation 17). Many think that false religious system applies to the 'traditions' of the Pharisees and Rome. That it will also include many Christian denominations of today, is part of their deception. And because many will be deceived, they don't know that God is allowing it to happen, with the 'strong delusion' of 2 Thess.2:10-12:

II Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

The 'crept in unawares', who purposefully distort the Truth of God's Word, cause many who lack 'eyes to see and ears to hear' to stumble at The Word of God. False traditions and creeds are then allowed to grow within the various deceived members of Christ's Body. Traditions such as accepting lifestyles contrary to The Word. Traditions which keep the believer in bondage. And the biggest false tradition of all is not teaching God's Word chapter by chapter and verse by verse. Those false apostles who have taken over the scholar position of The Word do not wish that God's Word be taught line by line. The reason is that just by reading God's Word line by line to the congregation will help expose false doctrines which are not part of God's Word. Our Father would then be allowed to 'speak' to the members of the Body of Christ. False creeds and traditions are conjured up by men and are only 'based' on God's Word. The Word of God then becomes 'watered down' without line by line study.


2.) Many Christians misunderstand God's warning about false prophets and false apostles whom they allow to creep into various Churches. (Acts 15; Acts 20:29-31; Romans 16:17-18; 2 Corinthians 2:17; Galatians 1:7; 2:4; 1 Timothy 4; 2 Timothy 4:3-4; 2 Peter 2; 1 John 4.)

2 Cor 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

Paul was not giving this warning to non-believers, but to the Body of Christ's believers. Even though Paul was an excellent scholar of The Old Testament, and having been converted directly by Jesus Christ, he was still afraid for those believers in Corinth. He feared that they might be deceived by false apostles and false prophets. In other words, Paul knew it was coming, as revealed by the Old Testament prophets. The spiritual war is not only out in the streets of the world, no; the battle is also right inside Christ's Church. And today, there are many that are losing that spiritual battle against false prophets and false apostles. Many in the Body of Christ have allowed their minds to be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

2 Cor 11:13-15
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

The word 'transformed' is 'metaschematizo' in the Greek. It means 'to transfigure or disguise' (Strong's no.3345). The heart of Paul's message here is that Satan has some of his own followers 'disguised' as 'ministers of righteousness', serving among various Churches. It should be obvious today with many of the abominations going on in some Churches, such as the acceptance of the 'gay' lifestyle and same sex marriages being performed by ministers; eastern monks chanting in front of the Communion Table of Christ, etc. Romans 1:18 through end, reveals that these abominations are still not acceptable by God. So their false teaching that all Old Testament Law is done away with, gets torn apart even by the New Testament in the Book of Romans.

Acts 20:27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which He hath purchased with His own blood.
29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

Paul gave this warning more than once in his Epistles. Christ gave the same warning with beware of the false prophet who are ravening wolves in sheep's clothing (Matt.7:15). Ezekiel 22 gives this same warning to the 'house of Israel'. It still applies today, for the 'house of Israel' now are the Western Christian nations.
Many university and school systems have been taken over by these false workers of iniquity also. The True Doctrine of Christ is being attacked on every level in our society today, and especially in the various Church systems.
This attack is nothing new today. God warned His People to beware of it. The majority have not listened to God and His Christ, but listen to man's doctrines instead. This same attack by false ones happened in Old Testament times especially. What makes people so naive to think that attack has stopped today, even after Christ gave that warning for our times? If you see these deceptions in the various Church systems of man, and know what I'm talking about, and haven't accepted Jesus Christ as your Savior because of it, then read on:

3.) God has given control of this flesh world to Satan and his children. Because of Satan's deceptions which God allows, not only non-believers are being duped, but many of the Body of Christ's believers are being deceived also.

Luke 4:5 And the devil, taking Him up into an high mountain, shewed unto Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6 And the devil said unto Him, "All this power will I give Thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
7 If Thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be Thine."
8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, "Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, 'Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve.' "

The kingdoms of this flesh world have been 'delivered unto' Satan, and he is free to operate them. God allows it, again, for His reasons and not ours. Those reasons are also revealed to us in God's Word (2 Thessalonians 2 for one. The Old Testament prophets give the full picture).
The many 'flesh' philosophers in the world live to twist people's minds away from the reality of evil controlling this world. They try to say there is no God, nor Satan. They bring their doctrine on the doubter in stages. The next step of deception they use is that there is no 'personal' God, but mother nature is God. Then you're ready for the next thought, that the evil in the world is because of man's ignorance of mother nature's natural laws. They're right about one part; the evil is due to 'ignorance', but not of their view of law and science, but ignorance of a personal Godhead, The Father, Son, and The Holy Spirit. Their false views prevent God's Truth from entering the mind and heart. Just as the choice to accept Jesus Christ as Savior, or not, is up to each person, listening to those world philosophers is each one's choice also. But let me ask this. Has the world view helped alleviate the evil on the earth? Be honest with yourself. I don't require a reply.

I Jn 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

The word 'world' is 'kosmos' in the Greek, and it means an orderly arrangement (Strong's no.2889). It doesn't mean the earth being utterly destroyed and turned into an asteroid belt. It means this 'flesh age' existence will pass away. The flesh existence is going to perish. It is temporary, not eternal. The Spirit of GOD is Eternal, and is Life.

Many are seeking comfort today with things familiar in their lives. Man has always had this problem with 'seeing is believing' according to the flesh. The flesh is the root of this deception. Without it Satan wouldn't be so successful. That's why it is important to turn to Jesus Christ, our Salvation. He will help open your eyes and your heart, so you will receive 'sight', and hear with your spiritual ears, and be converted back to God, and be healed.
What then? Because you may see hypocrisy of man's creeds and traditions in many Christian Churches, do you deny your own chance at Salvation through Christ? Because others choose to remain blinded to God's Truth, does that mean you have to? Maybe Christ has a Mission for you, since you might be aware of the false traditions happening today. Could you be ready for the New Wine of Mark 2:22? 'Old bottles' are a symbol for traditions of men. Christ was teaching there that the full Word of His Truth, which is the 'New Wine', would break those 'old bottle' traditions of men if It was put into them. New Wine must go into 'new bottles'. The 'new bottles' are a symbol for those who have not allowed themselves to be conditioned by heeding man's false traditions. This was also the meaning of Mark 10:15, where only those who receive the Kingdom of God 'as a little child' will enter in. A little child has not been conditioned by years of creeds and traditions. So when one hears The Truth of God's Word, like a little child does when learning from one they trust, they 'readily' receive It and understand It. Their 'flesh understanding' does not get in the way. Their self-pride is not puffed up from the flesh ideas of man. Christ's Spirit is then allowed to dwell in them and to reveal His Truth.

http://members.tnns.net/wordweb/creeds.htm
 
...today with many of the abominations going on in some Churches... ...eastern monks chanting in front of the Communion Table of Christ..


Monks chanting is an abomination? Wow.

Congratulations: You posted almost a whole webpage full of gobbldeygook. I don't even think Al Gore could pull that off.
 
Catholic Crusader said:
...today with many of the abominations going on in some Churches... ...eastern monks chanting in front of the Communion Table of Christ..


Monks chanting is an abomination? Wow.

Congratulations: You posted almost a whole webpage full of gobbldeygook. I don't even think Al Gore could pull that off.

CC, you seem like you're here to stop truth from been exposed. :-?
 
Catholic Crusader on Tue May 20, 2008 2:24 pm

...today with many of the abominations going on in some Churches... ...eastern monks chanting in front of the Communion Table of Christ..



Monks chanting is an abomination? Wow.

Congratulations: You posted almost a whole webpage full of gobbldeygook. I don't even think Al Gore could pull that off.

Well,Im sorry you feel that way,and if you don't know whats considered an abomination to my Father,thats your problem,I really don't care.If only one person received something from this,Im fine,as for you,this is what I think,is why you see no problem,especially when all you can gather is monks chanting.

Mark 7:8 (Whole Chapter)
For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.


Mark 7:13 (Whole Chapter)
Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.


Colossians 2:8 (Whole Chapter)
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Anyway I did'nt post that for debate,or to see if you or anyone else agreed with it,I call it planting seeds and if you don't have eyes to see,it was'nt meant for you anyway
 
Anyway I did'nt post that for debate,or to see if you or anyone else agreed with it,I call it planting seeds and if you don't have eyes to see,it was'nt meant for you anyway

Amen, onelove, :D
 
onelove said:
....if you don't know whats considered an abomination to my Father,thats your problem.....

Well, I know that saying prayers to a chanting melody is not an abomination. And, if I remember Jesus' word's correctly, God is "OUR Father", not "YOUR Father"... ...unless of course you have a different father, which I see is entirely possible
 
Catholic Crusader on Wed May 21, 2008 2:30 am

onelove wrote:
....if you don't know whats considered an abomination to my Father,thats your problem.....

Well, I know that saying prayers to a chanting melody is not an abomination. And, if I remember Jesus' word's correctly, God is "OUR Father", not "YOUR Father"... ...unless of course you have a different father, which I see is entirely possible

You are not worth my time,keep your eyes closed.
 
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Well onelove your post is informative. I am not sure that I disagree with it either. But take it easy on those that don't see what you see. If you have some info from the word of God that you feel is impotant enough to tell then you should care who does or doesnt' see what you are trying to say. But there is nothing you or anyone else can do to make another believe what you have to tell. Once you are convinced it is the truth then pray that others may have their eyes open. Don't become bitter with those that don't see what you do. That pushes people away from the truth.

God bless and keep studying.
 
New Wine of Mark 2:22? 'Old bottles' are a symbol for traditions of men. Christ was teaching there that the full Word of His Truth, which is the 'New Wine', would break those 'old bottle' traditions of men if It was put into them. New Wine must go into 'new bottles'. The 'new bottles' are a symbol for those who have not allowed themselves to be conditioned by heeding man's false traditions.
I believe that there is some truth in this statement; however, I would challenge the general premise as I do believe we can learn more from this parable than has been stated.

Below are a series of questions and answers that I briefly put together. By no means are the answers complete, but rather they be used as mere highlights.

Question: Who was Jesus speaking to in reference to the parable?
Answer: Scribes and Pharisees

Question: What was the context of the conversation that led to the parable?
Answer: Interpretation of Torah

Questions: Why were the Scribes and Pharisees so insistent upon keeping Torah to and beyond the letter?
Answer: Because of the history of Israel being exiled for non compliance of Torah. Jerusalem was under Roman rule and the Jews were being oppressed. According to God’s promise and conditions put forth in Deuteronomy 28, I believe that the Scribes and Pharisees were attributing their oppression as a fulfilling of God’s promise to them for their non compliance with Torah. They believed that if they kept Torah exactly, God would deliver them from their oppressors just like God did when they were Egypt. Just like Moses was anticipated, so was Christ.

Question: What was central in Jewish thought?
Answer: 1. The promise (Covenant) made to Abraham.
2. The Exodus from bondage in Egypt.
3. Passover
4. The Covenant made at Mt. Sinai.
5. The Awaiting of the Messiah to fulfill a new covenant promised to David.

Question: How does this parable fit within Jewish thought?
Answer: The entire context is an anticipation of the new Covenant which declares that Christ is Lord. (Hebrews 8 and 9; Romans 4)

I believe that it’s more than simply tradition, it’s about Torah. Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
 
eastern monks chanting in front of the Communion Table of Christ, etc. Romans 1:18 through end, reveals that these abominations are still not acceptable by God.

Assuming monks here are Eastern Orthodox? I don't see it as an abomination. I'm even having a hard time seeing this through Romans 1:18...

Onelove, would you grant us with an exegesis of Romans 1:18?

I do, however, see "chanting in front of the Communion Table of Christ" primarily through the lens of Romans 14
 
rainbow_promise on Wed May 21, 2008 8:29 am

Well onelove your post is informative. I am not sure that I disagree with it either. But take it easy on those that don't see what you see. If you have some info from the word of God that you feel is impotant enough to tell then you should care who does or doesnt' see what you are trying to say. But there is nothing you or anyone else can do to make another believe what you have to tell. Once you are convinced it is the truth then pray that others may have their eyes open. Don't become bitter with those that don't see what you do. That pushes people away from the truth.

God bless and keep studying.

Thank you rainbow,I usually don't get upset with what people say,but the comment about the different father got to me.

StoveBolts on Wed May 21, 2008 5:09 am

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According to the TOS

7 - Any personal problems with another member, then deal with it through private messages.

The next time I see this type of bantering between site members, official warnings will be issued to all associated members who engage in opposition to the sites TOS. Consider this a firm warning.

My apologies stove,and to you also CC
 
Romans 1:18 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;"

Paul is saying that "the wrath of God" is against all those men that hate the Word of God, and want nothing to do with what is taught in God's holy Word. They mock it and detest everything about the laws and truths of His Word. They twist the truths that are written by the prophets, and to where they make them a lie. They take the things that God hates, and call those things "of God". They will take things like Sodomy, that God says He hates, and somehow separate the sin from the sinner, and God doesn't do that. The sins of a sinner simply cannot be separated from the sinner, and the unrighteousness and those acts cannot be separated from those doing those acts.

Mark 2:22 "And no man putteth new wine into old bottles: else the new wine doth burst the bottles, and the wine is spilled, and the bottles will be marred: but new wine must be put into new bottles."

The word used for "bottles" in the Greek text is # 779 in Strong's Greek dictionary. "Askos, as-kos'; a leathern (or skin) bag used as a bottle." Jesus is talking about a leather wine skin that new wine was put in to be aged. A new piece of leather is stretchable and pliable as the pressures are brought on as the wine ferments. However once the wine bags of leather have cured and become hardened in ways by age, it will not expand again if new wine is pour into it. If you do put new wine into it, in a very short time that bag will explode.

Jesus Christ is saying, that is exactly the way that the religious community will be. They get set in their traditions and ways, and it is impossible for them to adjust as the new wine, the truth of God's Word is given to them. They just can't take it, for they have always been that way, mom and dad were that way, and they just will not give up their false doctrines, and be open to the Word no matter what. Jesus is saying that this is the reason that He went out to get new believers that would be followers and doers of the Word. The old Christians are to set in their ways, and they refuse to keep an open ear to the Spirit of God, and be led in the path that He leads.

The lesson that Jesus is teaching is that a lot of people just can't handle the truth.

My purpose in posting that post was not to single out any one group of people,it was just to show why some can't see the truth,again I did'nt post it for debate.It was just me planting seeds and thats all I can do,only God can make it grow
 
I usually don't get upset with what people say,but the comment about the different father got to me

And the comments about parts of my faith tradition being "abominations" got me. I live by the old saying: If you can't take it, don't dish it out.
 
by Catholic Crusader on Thu May 22, 2008 2:42 am

I usually don't get upset with what people say,but the comment about the different father got to me

And the comments about parts of my faith tradition being "abominations" got me. I live by the old saying: If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

eastern monks chanting in front of the Communion Table of Christ,

Are you a monk?

And I still stand by what I posted
 
onelove said:
Romans 1:18 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;"

Paul is saying that "the wrath of God" is against all those men that hate the Word of God, and want nothing to do with what is taught in God's holy Word. They mock it and detest everything about the laws and truths of His Word. They twist the truths that are written by the prophets, and to where they make them a lie. They take the things that God hates, and call those things "of God". They will take things like Sodomy, that God says He hates, and somehow separate the sin from the sinner, and God doesn't do that. The sins of a sinner simply cannot be separated from the sinner, and the unrighteousness and those acts cannot be separated from those doing those acts.
Very good, I agree in pricipal, however, predominatly, I believe Romans 1:18 is directed toward the pagans in Rome (and the rest of the world) with their philosophies and false gods / idols, as well as setting the stage for justification by faith (Romans 1:17). A quick look at verse 1:21 in contrast Acts 17:16-36 sums up Romans 1:22. (I do hope you and others will read these verses)

Within the theological context of Romans 1:18, the comment “eastern monks chanting in front of the Communion Table of Christ..†has little to no footing. As for the unity within the Body of Christ, may I suggest viewing what the eastern monks do in light of Romans 14?

If you want to clump the eastern monks with “such as the acceptance of the 'gay' lifestyle and same sex marriages being performed by ministersâ€Â, it would be better ran through Amos 5:31-26. (as should have the entire comment about the Abomination of the Church) Sorry, it just doesn’t fit.
 
onelove said:
by Catholic Crusader on Thu May 22, 2008 2:42 am

And the comments about parts of my faith tradition being "abominations" got me. I live by the old saying: If you can't take it, don't dish it out.
eastern monks chanting in front of the Communion Table of Christ,
Are you a monk?

Nope. But monks are part of my faith. They are humble men, dedicated to God. A slanderous attack on them is an attack on me, for we are all brothers.

onelove said:
And I still stand by what I posted

As do I.
 
I see zero biblical support to say that monks chanting is an abomination, whether before the table of the Lord's Supper or not. If such claims are going to be made, they need to be substantiated.
 
Agreed Free.
I believe it's dangerous to simply pick verses and apply them outside of context as this article has demonstrated thus far (and there is more that we could go into), even if what is being said sounds pleasing to what one may with to hear.

As a summary, Romans 1:18 is referencing gentiles, not those within the church as the article describes. Romans 2:1-3:8 reference the Jews.
If context has no bearing on scripture and can stand on it's own, then may I submit God's own words?
Job 40:14 Then will I also confess unto thee that thine own right hand can save thee. :o

In direct relation to Romans 1:18-19, it crosses without any difficulty to Acts 14:11-18 as Paul speaks from experience and knowledge.

As far as the new wine parable, scripture stands firm that this is speaking in anticipation of the new covenant. (Jer 31:31).
 
onelove said:
Facts Many Christians Find Hard To Admit

1.) Many do not have 'eyes to see and ears to hear'. (Ezek.12:2; Isaiah 6; Isaiah 29:9-14):

Matt 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto Him, "Why speakest Thou unto them in parables?"
11 He answered and said unto them, "Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given."
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias (Greek for Isaiah), which saith, 'By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.' (Jesus quoting from Isaiah 6:9-10).

The parables that Jesus often told the people was not meant for those who were not His disciples (non believers); but His disciples are to understand; that's why Jesus after He was done talking to the people, explained it the His disciples. Unbelievers are the ones it was not given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God....so you are incorrect to apply those scriptures to some Christians, unless you believe that the people you are talking about are not Christians, which in some case is true, but in others it could simply be that they are not mature enough to rightly divide to word of truth, in order to better understand His word. Jesus explained all the parables that He told to His disciples in private, so if there is something in the Bible that we don't understand, it is the Bible we should study/search to find the answer, paying close attention to what Jesus is saying.
 
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