False Witnesses said Paul did not keep the Torah after he was saved.

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Acts 6:13
And set up false witnesses, which said, This man ceaseth not to speak blasphemous words against this holy place, and the Torah:

Paul arrives in Jerusalem and meets with the elders, shares with them the work YHWH is doing through him among the gentiles

Acts 20:20
And when they heard it, they glorified YHWH, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the Torah:

21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.

22 What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come.

23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them;

24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the Torah.

Four men made a Nazarite Vow until they found out whether or not the rumors about Paul not keeping the Torah were True

Be at Charges = Help Pay for the animal sacrifice required to end a Nazarite Vow.

26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.

Paul did everything that was asked of him to Prove that it was False Witnesses who were saying that he did not keep the Torah after he was saved.

As Peter warned, the unlearned twist Paul epistles as they do all the scriptures.

Thousands of Jews believing and keeping the Torah was a Good Report, Praise Worthy.

Keeping the Torah in Christendumb and they will call you a Judaizer, legalist that is in danger of falling from Grace

Many will hear, Depart from Me, I never knew you, Workers Anomia = Without Torah

 

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Acts 6:13
And set up false witnesses, which said, This man ceaseth not to speak blasphemous words against this holy place, and the Torah:



Acts 20:20
And when they heard it, they glorified YHWH, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the Torah:

21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.

22 What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come.

23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them;

24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the Torah.

Four men made a Nazarite Vow until they found out whether or not the rumors about Paul not keeping the Torah were True

Be at Charges = Help Pay for the animal sacrifice required to end a Nazarite Vow.

26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.

Paul did everything that was asked of him to Prove that it was False Witnesses who were saying that he did not keep the Torah after he was saved.

As Peter warned, the unlearned twist Paul epistles as they do all the scriptures.

Thousands of Jews believing and keeping the Torah was a Good Report, Praise Worthy.

Keeping the Torah in Christendumb and they will call you a Judaizer, legalist that is in danger of falling from Grace

Many will hear, Depart from Me, I never knew you, Workers Anomia = Without Torah

Which parts of the Torah are Christians supposed to keep? And why?

Act 15:7 And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.
Act 15:8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us,
Act 15:9 and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith.
Act 15:10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?
...
Act 15:13 After they finished speaking, James replied, “Brothers, listen to me.
Act 15:14 Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take from them a people for his name.
Act 15:15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written,
Act 15:16 “‘After this I will return, and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen; I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it,
Act 15:17 that the remnant of mankind may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who are called by my name, says the Lord, who makes these things
Act 15:18 known from of old.’
Act 15:19 Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God,
Act 15:20 but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood. (ESV)

Seems pretty straightforward.

 

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Which parts of the Torah are Christians supposed to keep? And why?

Act 15:7 And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.
Act 15:8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us,
Act 15:9 and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith.
Act 15:10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?
...
Act 15:13 After they finished speaking, James replied, “Brothers, listen to me.
Act 15:14 Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take from them a people for his name.
Act 15:15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written,
Act 15:16 “‘After this I will return, and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen; I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it,
Act 15:17 that the remnant of mankind may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who are called by my name, says the Lord, who makes these things
Act 15:18 known from of old.’
Act 15:19 Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God,
Act 15:20 but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood. (ESV)

Seems pretty straightforward.

So you are saying Paul was a Hypocrite

Acts 15
The Jerusalem council was called together to decide whether circumcision was required to the Saved.

After the council decided that Adult circumcision was not required for salvation, a burden that even the fathers could not bear.

New Believers were given four things that they needed to do to be accepted into the Congregation

The Second Commandment - Idols
You shall not make for yourself an idol or a likeness of anything in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters beneath the earth

Sexual Immorality - The sixth commandment - "You shall not commit adultery" prohibits all sexual relationships between people who are not married.

From things Strangled, It is impossible to bleed a animal that has been strangled = Dietary Law

From Blood = Dietary Law

Acts 20:21
For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

New Believers are given Four minimum requirements to be received into the Congregation

and that they would learn the Rest of the Torah=Moses on the Sabbath

anything to be lawless = christendumb

 

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I asked you two questions. Please answer them:

Which parts of the Torah are Christians supposed to keep? And why?

anything to be lawless = christendumb

Do not use that word again. If you can't post without insulting others, then you will be removed from the discussion.

 

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I asked you two questions. Please answer them:

Which parts of the Torah are Christians supposed to keep? And why?


Do not use that word again. If you can't post without insulting others, then you will be removed from the discussion.

All the commandments that apply to me that can be kept.

What can not be kept = Commandments that require a Temple and can only be kept in the Land of Israel.

Matthew 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Dietary Law

1 Peter 1:16
Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I Am holy.

Where is this Written?

The command to be Holy-(set-apart) is found two times in Leviticus Chapter 11:44-45
The whole chapter is in regards to what is food = Clean and what is not food = Unclean

A person can pray over their pork chop all day, and swine will never be sanctified by the Word of God

At the second coming those eating swine will be consumed with the wicked, Who says this? YHWH says it.

Isaiah 66:15
For, behold, YHWH will come with fire, and with His chariots like a whirlwind, to render His anger with fury, and His rebuke with flames of fire.

16 For by fire and by His sword will YHWH plead with all flesh: and the slain of YHWH shall be many.

17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith YHWH.

Jude 1:14
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

The New Covenant Hebrews 8:10, Jeremiah 31:33

Ezekiel 11:19
And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

20 That they may walk in My statutes, and keep Mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be My people, and I will be their God.

You can't convince me to go against what the Word of God so plainly says.

Now tell me

What commandments can't you keep?

 

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All the commandments that apply to me that can be kept.

What can not be kept = Commandments that require a Temple and can only be kept in the Land of Israel.

Matthew 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Dietary Law

1 Peter 1:16
Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I Am holy.

Where is this Written?

The command to be Holy-(set-apart) is found two times in Leviticus Chapter 11:44-45
The whole chapter is in regards to what is food = Clean and what is not food = Unclean

A person can pray over their pork chop all day, and swine will never be sanctified by the Word of God

At the second coming those eating swine will be consumed with the wicked, Who says this? YHWH says it.

Isaiah 66:15
For, behold, YHWH will come with fire, and with His chariots like a whirlwind, to render His anger with fury, and His rebuke with flames of fire.

16 For by fire and by His sword will YHWH plead with all flesh: and the slain of YHWH shall be many.

17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith YHWH.

Jude 1:14
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

The New Covenant Hebrews 8:10, Jeremiah 31:33

Ezekiel 11:19
And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

20 That they may walk in My statutes, and keep Mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be My people, and I will be their God.

You can't convince me to go against what the Word of God so plainly says.

And yet:

Gen 9:2 The fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth and upon every bird of the heavens, upon everything that creeps on the ground and all the fish of the sea. Into your hand they are delivered.
Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything. (ESV)

Mar 7:18 And he said to them, “Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him,
Mar 7:19 since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.) (ESV)

Given that Mark is generally believed to have written was told to him by Peter, it makes sense that Mark believed Jesus "declared all foods clean," since Peter had this experience:

Act 10:9 The next day, as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the housetop about the sixth hour to pray.
Act 10:10 And he became hungry and wanted something to eat, but while they were preparing it, he fell into a trance
Act 10:11 and saw the heavens opened and something like a great sheet descending, being let down by its four corners upon the earth.
Act 10:12 In it were all kinds of animals and reptiles and birds of the air.
Act 10:13 And there came a voice to him: “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.”
Act 10:14 But Peter said, “By no means, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean.”
Act 10:15 And the voice came to him again a second time, “What God has made clean, do not call common.”
Act 10:16 This happened three times, and the thing was taken up at once to heaven. (ESV)

Don't you think that some commandments might have been just for the Israelites alone, for a specific period of time and for a specific reason?

Now tell me

What commandments can't you keep?

Those that don't apply to me as a believer in Christ, such as the dietary and sacrificial laws.


And so, I again ask, why?

 

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And yet:

Gen 9:2 The fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth and upon every bird of the heavens, upon everything that creeps on the ground and all the fish of the sea. Into your hand they are delivered.
Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything. (ESV)

Mar 7:18 And he said to them, “Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him,
Mar 7:19 since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.) (ESV)

Given that Mark is generally believed to have written was told to him by Peter, it makes sense that Mark believed Jesus "declared all foods clean," since Peter had this experience:

Act 10:9 The next day, as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the housetop about the sixth hour to pray.
Act 10:10 And he became hungry and wanted something to eat, but while they were preparing it, he fell into a trance
Act 10:11 and saw the heavens opened and something like a great sheet descending, being let down by its four corners upon the earth.
Act 10:12 In it were all kinds of animals and reptiles and birds of the air.
Act 10:13 And there came a voice to him: “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.”
Act 10:14 But Peter said, “By no means, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean.”
Act 10:15 And the voice came to him again a second time, “What God has made clean, do not call common.”
Act 10:16 This happened three times, and the thing was taken up at once to heaven. (ESV)

Don't you think that some commandments might have been just for the Israelites alone, for a specific period of time and for a specific reason?


Those that don't apply to me as a believer in Christ, such as the dietary and sacrificial laws.


And so, I again ask, why?

What did Peter say that His Vision Meant?

Acts 20:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but GOD hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

The same as in Mark, The Conclusion to the question, Why do your Disciples eat without washing their hands?

Matthew 15:20
These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

If YESHUA was teaching against the Torah, What is food and what is not food.

He would be a Sinner.

Peter's Vision: Call no man common or unclean
Eating with unwashed hands does not defile a man.

I almost can't believe that you brought up these verses, Before you did, I thought surely he knows the answers to these worn out objections to be Holy that every Christian uses to support their rebellion, I was wrong.

Or maybe you have and decided to use those verses anyways?

 

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So, for the third time, why? Why are Christians supposed to keep the parts of the Torah that you think they are supposed to keep?

 

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So, for the third time, why? Why are Christians supposed to keep the parts of the Torah that you think they are supposed to keep?

I believe that question has already been answered, all the commandments statutes and ordinances that apply to YOU that can be kept outside the land of Israel. The Ten Commandments, don't put other gods in His face, the pagan holidays that the RCC says is for Jesus, Christmas, Easter, Sunday Keeping all from the RCC, The Mother of Harlots, and How do you know who are her daughters, they keep her days.

Also, I showed where you twisted Peter's vision, Where you left off the meaning of the portion you quoted out of Mark, asked you what commandments you can not keep.

Your argument is Believers can eat anything, rats, dogs, cats, anything they like and that does not affect whether they are Holy or not.

The New Covenant is the Torah written upon a new heart, that His people would keep His Statutes and Ordinances.

Romans 3:31
Do we make void the Torah by Faith, Forbid, yea, we establish the Torah.

Romans 7:22
For I delight in the Torah of God, after the Inward man.

Those that are born again keep the Torah, those that are not born again can not.

Romans 8:7
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the Torah of God, neither indeed can be.

No one is born again by keeping the Torah, by the Works of the Torah, But those that are Born Again, made a New Creation keep it because YHWH writes it upon their hearts by Faith, Believing what He said that He would Do. Ezekiel 11:19-20

YESHUA said the Many will say unto Him, Lord, Lord didn't we do all these wonderful things in your name?

Matthew 7:23 ESV
And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.'

Lawlessness; Anomia = Without Law-Torah

The New Covenant is the Torah written upon hearts of flesh, which means those that will hear Him say, I never knew you, They were never born again, In the New Covenant.

They had religion, creeds that they mentally assented to in their mind, thought they were doing good works for Him but are going to be told that they had no Torah=Instruction, The light upon the Path

Unless you want to elaborate upon which commandments you will not keep, or can't, I've said all that is needed to be said until that will never happen.

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Shabbat Shalom Bet Yisrael

 

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What did Peter say that His Vision Meant?

Acts 20:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but GOD hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Of course, that is the primary meaning, but the clear implication is also that all foods are clean. Consider when Paul rebuked Peter:

Gal 2:11 But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned.
Gal 2:12 For before certain men came from James, he was eating with the Gentiles; but when they came he drew back and separated himself, fearing the circumcision party.
Gal 2:13 And the rest of the Jews acted hypocritically along with him, so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy.
Gal 2:14 But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, “If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?” (ESV)

To be "eating with the Gentiles" is to be eating what the Gentiles ate. If Peter and those Jews with him had been simply eating as Jews alongside the Gentiles, then there would have been no issue. Why would Peter do that unless he understood the implication of his vision--of removing all distinctions between Jews and Gentiles--and then applying that to what Jesus said?

Also, notice that in the entire NT there is no command for believers to adhere to the dietary law. And, again, we look at what the first council in Jerusalem concluded about the relationship of Gentile converts to the law:

Act 15:19 Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God,
Act 15:20 but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood. (ESV)

The same as in Mark, The Conclusion to the question, Why do your Disciples eat without washing their hands?

Matthew 15:20
These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

And, yet, you are ignoring the clear, inspired statement by Mark that Jesus declared all foods clean. If Peter did dictate to Mark as is commonly believed, it is reasonable to conclude that as Peter was dictating those words of Jesus, he recalled his housetop vision, realizing that by Jesus saying it is "what comes out of a person" that defiles them, not what "goes into a person," he was making all foods clean.

Can you show me where in the law it is stated that it is commanded to not eat with unwashed hands?

If YESHUA was teaching against the Torah, What is food and what is not food.

He would be a Sinner.

Yes, he did, and he didn't sin.

Peter's Vision: Call no man common or unclean
Eating with unwashed hands does not defile a man.

I almost can't believe that you brought up these verses, Before you did, I thought surely he knows the answers to these worn out objections to be Holy that every Christian uses to support their rebellion, I was wrong.

Or maybe you have and decided to use those verses anyways?

Maybe you should take things in context and believe Mark's inspired words and what the first council of Jerusalem said applied to Gentile Christians. Look at the reason for the assembling the council in Jerusalem:

Act 15:5 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses.”
Act 15:6 The apostles and the elders were gathered together to consider this matter. (ESV)

Then, when we look again at Peter's words:

Act 15:7 And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.
Act 15:8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us,
Act 15:9 and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith.
Act 15:10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? (ESV)

Note that Peter's argument hinges on the fact that God "made no distinction between" the Gentiles and the Jews, that they had their hearts "cleansed . . . by faith," apart from observing the law, which was exactly how the Jews were to be saved.

And, the result? I've already given it above: there were only four things commanded for Gentile Christians.

 

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I believe that question has already been answered, all the commandments statutes and ordinances that apply to YOU that can be kept outside the land of Israel. The Ten Commandments, don't put other gods in His face,

Not really. You haven't actually said why Christians must follow the law. You're not even that clear on which parts.

the pagan holidays that the RCC says is for Jesus, Christmas, Easter, Sunday Keeping all from the RCC, The Mother of Harlots, and How do you know who are her daughters, they keep her days.

A number of false things to unpack there, but they're off-topic.

Also, I showed where you twisted Peter's vision,

Except that I didn't, but okay.

Where you left off the meaning of the portion you quoted out of Mark,

Which isn't relevant; it doesn't change the clear words of Mark. Ignoring Mark's inspired claim that Jesus "declared all foods clean," however, is relevant. Notice that the issue of washing hands isn't about the law--it's tradition (Mark 7:3-4)--but eating unclean animals is.

asked you what commandments you can not keep.

And, I replied. The ceremonial and civil laws were specific to the Israelites for a specific period of time.

Your argument is Believers can eat anything, rats, dogs, cats, anything they like and that does not affect whether they are Holy or not.

Yes, of course. None of those animals are ceremonially unclean. People can catch parasites from eating raw fish, but fish isn't unclean.

The New Covenant is the Torah written upon a new heart,

No, it isn't. It's a covenant made with the blood of Jesus.

that His people would keep His Statutes and Ordinances.

The ordinances, or moral law, yes; the statutes, or ceremonial law, no. All the law is good for our instruction and help us understand what Jesus did for us and why, but we are not to follow all of it.

Romans 3:31
Do we make void the Torah by Faith, Forbid, yea, we establish the Torah.

Romans 7:22
For I delight in the Torah of God, after the Inward man.

Those that are born again keep the Torah, those that are not born again can not.

Romans 8:7
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the Torah of God, neither indeed can be.

Inserting "Torah" into the passages it not a legitimate exegetical hermeneutic.

No one is born again by keeping the Torah, by the Works of the Torah, But those that are Born Again, made a New Creation keep it because YHWH writes it upon their hearts by Faith, Believing what He said that He would Do. Ezekiel 11:19-20

YESHUA said the Many will say unto Him, Lord, Lord didn't we do all these wonderful things in your name?

Matthew 7:23 ESV
And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.'

Lawlessness; Anomia = Without Law-Torah

The New Covenant is the Torah written upon hearts of flesh, which means those that will hear Him say, I never knew you, They were never born again, In the New Covenant.

They had religion, creeds that they mentally assented to in their mind, thought they were doing good works for Him but are going to be told that they had no Torah=Instruction, The light upon the Path

You seem too keen on making the Bible say things it doesn't.

 

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The word "Torah" is simply translated as "Law" in our English Bibles. The New Testament uses the Greek "Nomos."

Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law (Torah), kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.

Gal 2:21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law (Torah), then Christ died in vain."

Gal 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law (Torah)

Gal 3:19 What purpose then does the law (Torah) serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made

The Torah was temporary.

 

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Acts 6:13
And set up false witnesses, which said, This man ceaseth not to speak blasphemous words against this holy place, and the Torah:

Paul arrives in Jerusalem and meets with the elders, shares with them the work YHWH is doing through him among the gentiles

Acts 20:20
And when they heard it, they glorified YHWH, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the Torah:

21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.

22 What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come.

23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them;

24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the Torah.

Four men made a Nazarite Vow until they found out whether or not the rumors about Paul not keeping the Torah were True

Be at Charges = Help Pay for the animal sacrifice required to end a Nazarite Vow.

26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.

Paul did everything that was asked of him to Prove that it was False Witnesses who were saying that he did not keep the Torah after he was saved.

As Peter warned, the unlearned twist Paul epistles as they do all the scriptures.

Thousands of Jews believing and keeping the Torah was a Good Report, Praise Worthy.

Keeping the Torah in Christendumb and they will call you a Judaizer, legalist that is in danger of falling from Grace

Many will hear, Depart from Me, I never knew you, Workers Anomia = Without Torah

Jesus Christ is the Mediator of the New Covenant.


We keep His law (commandments)

Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
Galatians 6:2



We keep His doctrine.


Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
2 John 9

 

[JLB]

I believe that question has already been answered, all the commandments statutes and ordinances that apply to YOU that can be kept outside the land of Israel. The Ten Commandments, don't put other gods in His face, the pagan holidays that the RCC says is for Jesus, Christmas, Easter, Sunday Keeping all from the RCC, The Mother of Harlots, and How do you know who are her daughters, they keep her days.

Also, I showed where you twisted Peter's vision, Where you left off the meaning of the portion you quoted out of Mark, asked you what commandments you can not keep.

Your argument is Believers can eat anything, rats, dogs, cats, anything they like and that does not affect whether they are Holy or not.

The New Covenant is the Torah written upon a new heart, that His people would keep His Statutes and Ordinances.

Romans 3:31
Do we make void the Torah by Faith, Forbid, yea, we establish the Torah.

Romans 7:22
For I delight in the Torah of God, after the Inward man.

Those that are born again keep the Torah, those that are not born again can not.

Romans 8:7
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the Torah of God, neither indeed can be.

No one is born again by keeping the Torah, by the Works of the Torah, But those that are Born Again, made a New Creation keep it because YHWH writes it upon their hearts by Faith, Believing what He said that He would Do. Ezekiel 11:19-20

YESHUA said the Many will say unto Him, Lord, Lord didn't we do all these wonderful things in your name?

Matthew 7:23 ESV
And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.'

Lawlessness; Anomia = Without Law-Torah

The New Covenant is the Torah written upon hearts of flesh, which means those that will hear Him say, I never knew you, They were never born again, In the New Covenant.

They had religion, creeds that they mentally assented to in their mind, thought they were doing good works for Him but are going to be told that they had no Torah=Instruction, The light upon the Path

Unless you want to elaborate upon which commandments you will not keep, or can't, I've said all that is needed to be said until that will never happen.

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Shabbat Shalom Bet Yisrael

Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. 1 Timothy 4:1-5

 

[miamited]

Hi 232 Ben Yissachar

I'm curious what your point in all of this is. Is it your position that believers today must live by the law given unto Israel? Especially, I suppose as regards food? That the Scriptures prove that Paul did live by the Jewish practices found in all of the law?

If so, I'm not particularly in agreement. Born again believers should live righteous lives. I think it painfully obvious that Paul never preached any 'keeping of the Jewish law' as a part and practice of the faith that Jesus asks of us. Oh, and Acts 6:13 is about Stephen. There arose a group to complain that Stephen was speaking against the law, but that was only the last of their complaint. They also said that he made blasphemous charges against the holy place and the law. That doesn't mean that he didn't keep the law, but I'm sure that's what they had intended it to be understood, as you have. The complaint was that Stephen was making blasphemous statements, those are words not deeds, against the synagogue and the law as found in their writings. Basically, it was a group of people who would be turning out some who participate in these threads as speaking blasphemies against the law. This naturally angered them to the point that Stephen gave up his life as he proclaimed the gospel to his killers. What a great, great testimony of a true faith in the Lord Jesus. Oh that I would be as bold under such circumstance.

But believers in Jesus having to keep Torah? As if that's some really, really special word. No, believers are to live as Jesus lived and to love the Lord their God with all that they are and to love others as they love themselves. They don't have to keep any of the law. They just have to love God and then He writes His law upon their hearts and minds. But it is not the old covenant law that God gave unto Moses for the purpose of leading the nation of people that God had raised up to do the work necessary to bring salvation to His created and loved mankind. Not at all! The law that God writes on the hearts of those who are His is the one that He really wants us to live by.

But yes, over an argument as to whether or not Stephen had spoken against the law and the synagogue, he was stoned to death. And according to the account, Paul was there giving his consent to the man's death. Since Stephen was wrongfully accused, that would make Paul guilty of his murder and likely not keeping 'torah'.

 

[locust]

The obligation placed on Christians

Act 15:20 but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood. (ESV)