Fertility

[Beetow]

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● Gen 1:27-28 . . So God created man in his own image, in the image of God
created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God
said unto them: Be fruitful, and multiply.

* If we may take that chronologically, then I think it safe to assume that Adam
wasn't blessed with fertility until after Eve was constructed with material taken from
his body.

● Gen 2:1-3 . .Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast
array. By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the
seventh day he rested from all his work. And God blessed the seventh day and
made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had
done.

The previous six days of creation were all bounded by an evening and a morning,
whereas the seventh day wasn't bounded at all; meaning of course that it's a perpetual
day and God will never return to work as if to pick up where He left off making stuff. The
reason for His permanent work stoppage is because the cosmos-- all its forms of life,
matter, and energy --was complete and nothing was left undone needing attention.

Now the thing is: during those six days, God created only one human soul-- just
the one --and He hasn't created any new human souls for the cosmos ever since,
viz: Adam was the origin and rootstock of the entire human family. In other words:
we all descend from a common ancestor. (Acts 17:26)

So then, the blessing of fertility enabled Adam to perpetuate not only his human
likeness, but also his human soul. In other words: Adam's entire posterity is one
man with him in both body and soul. That is quite remarkable.
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[jonathanbrickman0000]

Now the thing is: during those six days, God created only one human soul-- just
the one --and He hasn't created any new human souls for the cosmos ever since,

So, you are suggesting that God did not create Eve's soul? I shall disagree.

 

[Whatever]

Traducianism is a Christian theological doctrine that suggests the soul is transmitted from parents to their children through natural generation, meaning that an individual's soul is derived from the souls of one or both parents. This contrasts with creationism, which holds that each soul is created directly by God.

The doctrine of Traducianism can be traced back to early Christian thought, with its roots in the writings of early Church Fathers. It was notably discussed by Tertullian in the late 2nd to early 3rd century AD. The concept gained further attention in the writings of Augustine of Hippo in the 4th century, who engaged with the idea in his theological discussions. While Traducianism was not the dominant view in Christian theology, it has been a topic of debate among theologians throughout the history of the Church.

Some creationist argued about when God created each soul. Some argued that God simply creates the new soul whenever there is a conception. They were countered by those who mentioned Genesis 2:3 where it says God stopped creating. Then they came up with the idea of God's foreknowledge knowing exactly how many souls He would need, and so created all the billions of them at the beginning.
People joked about God having a "soul bank" where He keeps all the souls until He needs one.

 

[Beetow]

So then, the blessing of fertility enabled Adam to perpetuate not only his human likeness, but
also his human soul. In other words: Adam's entire posterity is one man with him in both body
and soul.

Had God created a unique soul for Eve totally apart from Adam's soul, so that she
would not be one man with him in body and soul; then it would be misleading for
the Bible to call her Adam in Gen 5:2, but that's not the worst of it.

An army of one is a very crucial principle in the application of Rom 5:12-21. The
thing is: it was God's decision that if sin and death were to come into the world,
then those misfortunes would come by means of one man's disobedience alone
rather than a man and a woman working together, just as life and righteousness
would come into the world by the obedience of one man alone rather than a
multiple of men working together.

So then; were Eve's soul not an extension of Adam's, then she would've been
exempt from Rom 5:12-21 & 1Cor 15:22 which say, in so many words:

"in Adam all die"
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[jonathanbrickman0000]

So, we do not have individual souls? Just extensions of Adam's? God does not save individual souls, but instead, broken-off chunks of Adam's single soul? No wonder the falsely-called "church fathers" get ignored.

 

[Whatever]

So then; were Eve's soul not an extension of Adam's, then she would've been
exempt from Rom 5:12-21 & 1Cor 15:22 which say, in so many words:

"in Adam all die"

"in Christ all shall be made alive." So do we have to have Jesus's soul?

I simply see it in the federal sense. Adam was the federal head of the human race. His disobedience was imputed to all his posterity. In the same way all who are joined to Jesus by faith inherit His righteousness. The imputed sin of Adam is taken away.

 

[Beetow]

So, we do not have individual souls?

We have individual souls, yes, but we do not have unique souls just as we have
individual bodies but we do not have unique bodies. All human souls and bodies are
extensions of Adam's soul and body; made possible by the blessing of fertility per
Gen 1:27-28.

Now, to my knowledge it isn't essential for folks to to accept the manner of our
association with Adam as I have described it. However; it's useful to become
familiar with what it means to be in Adam because it gives us some insights into
what it means to be in Christ.
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[Whatever]

Now, to my knowledge it isn't essential for folks to to accept the manner of our
association with Adam as I have described it. However; it's useful to become
familiar with what it means to be in Adam because it gives us some insights into
what it means to be in Christ.

That doesn't help me because our being in Christ has nothing to do with genetics - DNA or RNA or X or Y chromosomes.

Ephesians 1:5 having predestined us to adoption as sons . . .

 

[Beetow]

Ephesians 1:5 having predestined us to adoption as sons

People's transition from their natural existence in Adam, to a new existence in
Christ, doesn't begin with adoption rather, it begins with the supernatural birth
about which Jesus spoke in John 3:3-8.
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[Whatever]

People's transition from their natural existence in Adam, to a new existence in
Christ, doesn't begin with adoption rather, it begins with the supernatural birth
about which Jesus spoke in John 3:3-8

True, but the "supernatural birth" doesn't happen with "flesh and blood" or genetics like the first birth does.

John 1:13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

 

[Whatever]

We have individual souls, yes, but we do not have unique souls just as we have
individual bodies but we do not have unique bodies.

What do you mean by "unique?" I looked it up on chatgpt:
According to the Bible, each person is considered unique and created with individual purpose and value. For example, in Psalm 139:13-14, it states that God created each person wonderfully and fearfully, emphasizing the uniqueness of every individual. Additionally, in Genesis 1:27, it mentions that humans are made in the image of God, which further underscores the distinctiveness of each person. The Bible teaches that everyone has their own gifts, talents, and roles within the community, contributing to the diversity of creation.

 

[jonathanbrickman0000]

I'll state now that I shall not respect ChatGPT's opinion on anything of God. But I too have cause to reject reasonings suggesting that we do not have unique souls. Here is some of that which I am given:

Jeremiah 1:5
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”

Matthew 10:30
But even the hairs of your head are all numbered.

Isaiah 64:8
But now, O Lord, you are our Father; we are the clay, and you are our potter; we are all the work of your hand.

Exodus 4:11
And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man’s mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?

 

[Beetow]

What do you mean by "unique

I do not wish to continue this discussion. Sorry.
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[jonathanbrickman0000]

I do not wish to continue this discussion. Sorry.
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I will, I find it very interesting.

When I was about seven years old, I heard some of those weird "church father" theories about souls, from both Peter Jr. next door (Irish Catholic) and Blair across the street (Scottish Presbyterian). I heard more of them later, and it does not surprise me to hear yet more of them. One of the more saddening recently, is one underlying many, the theory that human souls can be neither created or destroyed. This is a very antichristian Roman theory; in contrast to it, we have God Himself discussing our souls' creation, and destruction.

 

[Whatever]

One of the more saddening recently, is one underlying many, the theory that human souls can be neither created or destroyed.

I've heard of The first law of thermodynamics that energy or matter cannot be created or destroyed, but that is just an observation, not a law. It would not apply to the supernatural.