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Flesh and Spirit

RichardBurger

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I have been studying the difference between the flesh and the Spirit and would like to share what I understand about it.

In the scripture below we see that Jesus made a difference between the flesh and the Spirit in verse 6. It does not say the flesh is born again.

John 3:5-6 NKJV
5 Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

In the scripture below we see Jesus describing the Spiritual nature of the child of God that has been reborn of the Holy Spirit.

John 3:7-8 NKJV
7 Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'
8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit."

In the scriptures below we see that Paul is also saying that there are two natures to the child of God, one born of the flesh and one born of the Spirit of God. These two natures are always with a child of God and are always warring against each other.

Rom 7:14-20 NKJV
14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do.
16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good.
17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.
19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. 20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.

In the scripture below we see that flesh and blood will not enter heaven. Only the Spirit that has been born of God will enter heaven.

1 Cor 15:50 NKJV
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
NKJV

Corruption can not be made un-corrupted. So we must consider that the flesh can never be made Righteous or Holy. When the scriptures tell us we must put on righteousness, or put on Holiness, it is not talking about our efforts to make our flesh nature righteous or holy. It is saying that we must “put on Jesus†in the Spirit. As Paul said in the following scripture.

Col 1:19-23 NKJV
19 For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell,
20 and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.
21 And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled
22 in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight â€â€
23 if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.

In the scriptures below we see that flesh and blood can never be made perfect, or righteous, or Holy, by the will and efforts of the flesh, period. The born again child of God, in the Spirit, is only righteous and Holy because they have been born again and placed “in Christ†by an operation of the Holy Spirit. They have put on Jesus and just as He was perfect in faith before God so are we perfect when we place our faith, trust, confidence and hope in Him.

Gal 3:3 NKJV
3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?

In the scriptures below we see that salvation (being born again in the Spirit) can only be accomplished by the will of God and He (God) will save all that receive Jesus as their savior. It is also clear that those that do not receive Jesus as their savior, do not have the right to become children of God.

John 1:10-13 NKJV
10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.
11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.
12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.


This writing is intended to help us understand the flesh nature and the Spirit nature of the child of God. It is not a writing that is meant to put down the efforts of the child of God to live a life that is pleasing to God.
 
Our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit does not indwell corruption.

The flesh and the Spirit are opposing powers. They are the human carnal nature and the divine nature of Christ at war with each other.

Don't confuse flesh...the human body, with "the flesh" which is the unregenerate power of carnal man. Those who live "according" to the flesh will die...whether they are Christian or not. We are saved by walking according to the Spirit.
 
Richard,

The Scriptures in your post are the wisdom of God in Christ Jesus. May the body, church, of Jesus Christ be edified through the testimony he has preserved for us.

Phil 3:7-12
7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.

8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. KJV

Before this work of God begins in us, God gives us to experience the blameless righteousness that is in the law. verse 6. Then he brings us down, that he might pick us up in newness of life.

Joe
 
What will the saved be like in heaven?? 2 Tim. 3:16 & Matt. 4:4 gives the picture in some detail.

Some seem to think that they are to be spirits floating around on a cloud strumming a harp???
And that there will be NO FLESH OR BLOOD IN HEAVEN?? Or is it to be, no sinful (decayed) flesh & blood in heaven? Like Adam & Eve before sin & then after sin?

When Christ comes, some truly will [not be like Him!] For they will die the second death. They will come out of the grave just as decayed as they went into it!

But the others will be like Him!

Thomas decided that Christ was real!! (finally, huh?) See John 20:26-29. And it says that Christ ate fish & bread after being resurrected. John 21:13-14.

And John 24:37.. 'And they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. And He said unto them, Why are yea troubled and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; [for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as yea see that I have.]'

And these ones 'seen' in Matt. 27:52-53? Notice the Word say's [Bodies!]
'And the graves were opened; and many [bodies] of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves [after the resurrection], and went *into holy city, and [APPEARED unto many].'

1 John 3:2 'Beloved, now are we the son's of God, and it doeth not yet appear what we will shall be: but we know that, [when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is].'

Both of whom we call the Father & the Son, [had an image,] at Adams creation. And the Word of God 'also' states that God is a Spirit! that this [He,] is referred to as the Holy Ghost & the Holy Spirit. John 15 & 16.

Notice Isaiah 66: 22-23 In the New Earth! We shall be Sabbath Keepers! And in verse 15-17 we see some who will not be there! No, and no spirits in hell either! See Obad. 16 for these d-e-a-d ones!

Yet, notice chapter 65:21-25 ibid! and read verse 21-23 in particular! Build Houses and inhabit them! And plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them! And notice this!! 'Mine elect [shall long enjoy the *WORK of their hands].' [/b]

Whatever? Float around if that is your thing. Yet, that is not the Everlasting Gospel!! Rev. 14:6

But yes, one can be sure that we will have a body made like Adam & Eve had at the beginning, before sin! If we come forth in the First Resurrection! Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15.

---Elijah

Yes,'i' forgot to check the reply button!
 
Elijah674
Just thought I'd mention the person that wrote this was John the Apostle. He was there after Christ's resurrection and saw His resurrected body. Did you notice what John says here though.
1 John 3:2 'Beloved, now are we the son's of God, and it doth not yet appear what we will shall be: but we know that, [when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is].'
We shall bear the image of the heavenly. We shall be as the angels...but not angels...not marrying, not given in marriage...not flesh and blood.
The Christ that we shall see this time is what our glorious bodies will be like...and no I do not think they will be the same as the one Jesus had immediately after resurrection. Even John says...IT DOES NOT YET APPEAR WHAT WE SHALL BE. How could he say that if he had already seen the body of Christ after His resurrection...because Christ's new body that we SHALL see ...will be glorious...as our's also will be.
If you don't believe me...just check out more scripture. The former things are going to pass away.
 
Jesus said in John 6:63, "The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life."
 
Hay you'ins, if you want to be 's'pirits floating around on a cloud, believe as you will? Like most already do with the Gen. 3 'surely die' truth. One guy even on another forum stated it more clearly than most of today's teaching the same thing, by saying that satan told the truth & that God lied.

On the flesh & blood in heaven teaching, it is God that gives the Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15 simple Truth of NOTHING NEW unless He tells that it is so. (world flood, Nah. 1:9's sin, & a few others) And it was documented by God that two of the Godhead have an Image which mankind were patterned after at the start. And the Holy Spirit GOD is as He states.. Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost!

And you honestly believe that God/Christ can 'fudge' the 't'ruth?? Christ even told Thomas to feel the holes in His side & hands. He ate food. He was SEEN in the EARTH for SPACE OF DAYS! And this was ALL VERY DECEIVING the way 'some' tell it as I see it. Christ stated that a SPIRIT does not have flesh & bones as [ye see me have]! Luke 24:39 (and then what does one hear from the one that does indeed lie? with many believing him rather that the Word of God HIMSELF)

Even the Matt. 27:50-53 verse leaves NO doubt to much Truth '... in the holy city, and APPEARED UNTO MANY'.

And all the MANY Scripture that ARE THE [WORD] OF GOD/CHRIST that are in my other post???

NO: Believe as you want, but I myself am going to be having a real body as did Adam. And my flesh & blood will be sinless as before he fell. And I will again eat of the TREE OF LIFE that will give me only CONDITIONAL Immortal life. (Only God has the REAL one! 1 Tim. 6:14-16 + 1 Tim. 1:17) And our immortal life is that our body which will then be sinless Flesh, will again have access to the tree of life! Rev. 22:1-2 & the previous verse in Rev. 21 has NO LIARS in that Book of life.

--Elijah
 
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by Elijah674 on Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:29 am

Hay you'ins, if you want to be 's'pirits floating around on a cloud, believe as you will? Like most already do with the Gen. 3 'surely die' truth. One guy even on another forum stated it more clearly than most of today's teaching the same thing, by saying that satan told the truth & that God lied.]
You know from that statement alone. I can tell you are not even a Christian. You should try throwing the garbage out of your brain...and listen to some people that are saved. All that you are spewing out is nonsense...and your own faulty reasoning.
You deserve to be booted off this site for some of your statements already...but I don't happen to be a moderator.
and we won't be spirits floating around. We will have immortal, incorruptible bodies as the angels...but no doubt without wings...and Christian's will look glorious.
 
justvisiting said:
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by Elijah674 on Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:29 am

Hay you'ins, if you want to be 's'pirits floating around on a cloud, believe as you will? Like most already do with the Gen. 3 'surely die' truth. One guy even on another forum stated it more clearly than most of today's teaching the same thing, by saying that satan told the truth & that God lied.]
You know from that statement alone. I can tell you are not even a Christian. You should try throwing the garbage out of your brain...and listen to some people that are saved. All that you are spewing out is nonsense...and your own faulty reasoning.
You deserve to be booted off this site for some of your statements already...but I don't happen to be a moderator.
and we won't be spirits floating around. We will have immortal, incorruptible bodies as the angels...but no doubt without wings...and Christian's will look glorious.

Elijah here: Well friend, here is the post from another site. And the guy that say's welcome back to him tells us that he is already on cloud 9! (bottom/line) And give me the boot?? ;) What is my crime?? Matt. 10:25???

No. 91 Reply: If my last painting bothered some here this one will as well
By: Melchizedek Gender: M Age: 68 on Sep 22, 2009 at 11:42 AM

ElderEarl wrote:

Good to see you back Mel.

I had to come back and remind Elijah that

GOD LIED AND SATAN TOLD THE TRUTH

Otherwise he might have forgotten.
 
Elijah674 said:
NO: Believe as you want, but I myself am going to be having a real body as did Adam. And my flesh & blood will be sinless as before he fell. And I will again eat of the TREE OF LIFE that will give me only CONDITIONAL Immortal life. (Only God has the REAL one! 1 Tim. 6:14-16 + 1 Tim. 1:17) And our immortal life is that our body which will then be sinless Flesh, will again have access to the tree of life! Rev. 22:1-2 & the previous verse in Rev. 21 has NO LIARS in that Book of life.

--Elijah

Sooo, you would rather have a body same as the first Adam - made of clay, of the earth, earthy, natural, rather than be as the last Adam.... .

  • 1 Corinthians 15:45-51

    45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul;
    the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

    46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural;
    and afterward that which is spiritual.

    47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

    48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly,
    such are they also that are heavenly.


    49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy,
    we shall also bear the image of the heavenly
    .

    50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;
    neither doth corruption inherit incorruption
    .

    51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, KJV
 
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