Bible Study flood

[Corn Pop]

Many people like to dramatise the bible to suit there fantasy fairy land like fallen demonic angels marring human beings and all for example, but someone like me likes to keep an open mind yet keep things simple. Anyhow, this is about the flood.

I believe man and animal had not spread world wide or to the various islands of the far seas like where i come from, that early, in those days.

Also the "earth" in the days of that text would have only representent the areas known as the earth, same with all the highest mountains of the earth were flooded.

I do not believe in a world wide flood, but a regional flood.

What are your thoughts?.

What known areas in scripture were known before the Flood?

 

[Eugene]

Hi Brother Dan, one of the first evidences confirming the biblical account of the flood to me was when I was a teenager out climbing mountains around San Diego, CA where I lived. The elevation I lived was roughly 2000 ft, and the mountain I was climbing may have rose another 500 -1000 ft. On the very top of the mountain I collected several sea shells.

Now at this time I have no idea how that occurred, or other explanations describing the topographical or resulting landscape, but somewhere along the line that area was under water.

Another thought I've had concerning it actually being the result of the flood is the detailed short duration of Noah's flood; would there have been that many shells in that short a time. I don't know.

 

[Corn Pop]

Hi Brother Dan, one of the first evidences confirming the biblical account of the flood to me was when I was a teenager out climbing mountains around San Diego, CA where I lived. The elevation I lived was roughly 2000 ft, and the mountain I was climbing may have rose another 500 -1000 ft. On the very top of the mountain I collected several sea shells.

Now at this time I have no idea how that occurred, or other explanations describing the topographical or resulting landscape, but somewhere along the line that area was under water.

Another thought I've had concerning it actually being the result of the flood is the detailed short duration of Noah's flood; would there have been that many shells in that short a time. I don't know.

Brother, long ago, many hills, mountains and volcanos were originally ground level or underwater. Mountains can grow. Even the hill up the road was probably a few inches smaller few hundred years ago. The earths crust moves, we get earthquakes, volcanos, mountains, hills and valleys.

 

[Corn Pop]

That could probably be an answer. The earth was near flat, and the highest mountains were the size of common hills. So, possibly that way the entire earth was flooded, an unknown time frame ago. lol. I dont try guess the earths age.

 

[Corn Pop]

Ok. I have changed my mind. This is now what i think.

The earth was more flat as the flood was early days, so the entire earth was flooded over the highest peaks that were maybe a few hundred feet or something, who knows, and thus reason for seashells on high mountains all around the earth, as over time mountains got bigger, and the flatter the earth, the easier to flood by 40 days of rain, its just more logical and goes with science, and its not dramatized.

 

[Eugene]

Hey brother, just a possible reason. Last year i went on a fishing trip and we went for a hike up this huge mountain and there see shells up there, my friend told me the indiginous people used to bury things up there with seashells. Alot of native traditions around the world used seashells on very high mountains for some kind of sacred rituals. Just a possible reason why you seen seashells.

Possibly, but that wouldn't get me to thinking the story of Noah was other than reported. I'm also believe in the Gap theory.

I’ll just insert some scripture as the basis for the gap’s inception seemingly plausible and not debate all the different possible scenarios that could be the result of it.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Is there anything before this beginning? Possibly.
Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world.
Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

Can we interpret this to mean God created the earth a wasteland not to be inhabited because we see the earth without form and void in the very next verse?

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
What happened to the inhabitable earth God created? There is much more, but that according to my understanding is the basis of the gap theory.

 

[Corn Pop]

Maybe he was talking about Mars.

 

[JohnDB]

Considering they have found sea shell fossils on top of My Everest....I'm going with a world wide flood.

Also considering that people were living several hundred years and all spoke the same language I don't think that genetic engineering is a new thing. (ALL flesh was corrupted)

Noah's ark was a feat of engineering to begin with. All wood construction and equipped with fresh water, food, and sanitation for all the animals. Not exactly easy to accomplish for three decks.

It also took quite a bit of time to build. Deterioration of the woods would be an issue as well. (Pitch paint only does so well)

 

[th1b.taylor]

Many people like to dramatise the bible to suit there fantasy fairy land like fallen demonic angels marring human beings and all for example, but someone like me likes to keep an open mind yet keep things simple. Anyhow, this is about the flood.

I believe man and animal had not spread world wide or to the various islands of the far seas like where i come from, that early, in those days.

Also the "earth" in the days of that text would have only representent the areas known as the earth, same with all the highest mountains of the earth were flooded.

I do not believe in a world wide flood, but a regional flood.

What are your thoughts?.

What known areas in scripture were known before the Flood?

Brother,
Logic! If the region flooded beyond the heights of the tallest mountains, remember now, scientific reason, how could it not flood Asia and the America's?

 

[Eugene]

Brother,
Logic! If the region flooded beyond the heights of the tallest mountains, remember now, scientific reason, how could it not flood Asia and the America's?

Did water necessarily have to seek its own level in those days? I've heard or read somewhere that the orbit of the earth has changed a bit since creation, or maybe our science has just learned how it was all the time, but wouldn't that have made the earth a slight different tilt than it is now, and thus water may have been sloshed around not covering all points at the same time? Next thing you know, they'll be able to forecast the correct weather.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Did water necessarily have to seek its own level in those days? I've heard or read somewhere that the orbit of the earth has changed a bit since creation, or maybe our science has just learned how it was all the time, but wouldn't that have made the earth a slight different tilt than it is now, and thus water may have been sloshed around not covering all points at the same time? Next thing you know, they'll be able to forecast the correct weather.

Unless there is physical evidence of a difference, the properties remain the same. And since there is no evidence and since I was attempting to reconcile the event with what I perceived his train of thought to be. yes, without the interference of God, the entire world had to flood.

And then, if you've read much of my posting, it is clear the Bible is, just, what our Heavenly Father wants it to be to me, the one Absolute Truth. Since God has promised once in the Pentateuch, once in Rev. 22 and once more that I recall not where, to keep His Word Pure and I, honestly, try to be careful and respectful never to slight God, that the repositioning of the water from below ground to the covering of the Earth, as scripture say it was in the beginning, matters not.

Not trying to be rude though what I just said can be taken that way, but I truly rely on nothing but God. May God bless His truth, just the way He promised to

 

[Sinthesis]

Genesis wasn't written with our particular definitions in mind. Perhaps Noah, Moses, and we might have different assumptions about our surroundings that influence our interpretation/description of the factual flood event.

 

[Corn Pop]

The good point is we all believe in the flood so knowones calling God a liar. How it was i guess he left it to our imaginations and science to figure out.

If the flood was global, i think it was in the early stages where everything was alot flatter and hills and mountains and volcanos were still in the early stages of growing. So nothing was really big that needed to be covered. It matches science as well.

So a mountain now 2000ft with seashells and fossels was only bout 10ft at the time of the flood.

Have to be realistic wothout drama. Does what i said sound more realistic or do you seriously think the flood was so big it went higher than the clouds and mt everest. Lol. Noah would not have even had oxygen at the altitude.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Ok. I have changed my mind. This is now what i think.

The earth was more flat as the flood was early days, so the entire earth was flooded over the highest peaks that were maybe a few hundred feet or something, who knows, and thus reason for seashells on high mountains all around the earth, as over time mountains got bigger, and the flatter the earth, the easier to flood by 40 days of rain, its just more logical and goes with science, and its not dramatized.

Lol, your answer here sounds very dramatized.
I'll take it a step further.
The White Mountains of New Hampshire are more than 200 miles from the ocean.
I personally saw where they were blasting rock to build a new highway at more than 4000 feet.
It was loaded with sea shells.

 

[Corn Pop]

Lol, your answer here sounds very dramatized.
I'll take it a step further.
The White Mountains of New Hampshire are more than 200 miles from the ocean.
I personally saw where they were blasting rock to build a new highway at more than 4000 feet.
It was loaded with sea shells.

No way is my theory dramatised. Looking at Mt everest and believing the flood was so big it was higher than the clouds in dramatised.
I give logical reason why 200 miles inland and 4000 feet high you have seashells. That 4000 feet high mountain was not allways 4000 feet high. The flatter something is, the easier it floods.

 

[th1b.taylor]

The good point is we all believe in the flood so knowones calling God a liar. How it was i guess he left it to our imaginations and science to figure out.

If the flood was global, i think it was in the early stages where everything was alot flatter and hills and mountains and volcanos were still in the early stages of growing. So nothing was really big that needed to be covered. It matches science as well.

So a mountain now 2000ft with seashells and fossels was only bout 10ft at the time of the flood.

Have to be realistic wothout drama. Does what i said sound more realistic or do you seriously think the flood was so big it went higher than the clouds and mt everest. Lol. Noah would not have even had oxygen at the altitude.

Dan,
I didn't assume anything about the topography when I posed the question, that is completely without relevance when we understand God is limitless in power... and He is or He has had lies recorded. (And with as much dramatic dismay as he can muster) The old man says, "And I will never believe God has any part with lies."

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

No way is my theory dramatised. Looking at Mt everest and believing the flood was so big it was higher than the clouds in dramatised.
I give logical reason why 200 miles inland and 4000 feet high you have seashells. That 4000 feet high mountain was not allways 4000 feet high. The flatter something is, the easier it floods.

Proverbs 28:26;
"Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered".

 

[jasonc]

what is the cubit of Moses time?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Many people like to dramatise the bible to suit there fantasy fairy land like fallen demonic angels marring human beings and all for example, but someone like me likes to keep an open mind yet keep things simple. Anyhow, this is about the flood.

I believe man and animal had not spread world wide or to the various islands of the far seas like where i come from, that early, in those days.

Also the "earth" in the days of that text would have only representent the areas known as the earth, same with all the highest mountains of the earth were flooded.

I do not believe in a world wide flood, but a regional flood.

What are your thoughts?.

What known areas in scripture were known before the Flood?

Genesis 7:19-20;
"They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than twenty feet".

 

[Eugene]

Noah would not have even had oxygen at the altitude.

Is it possible mankind was in the process of evolution as some manner of fish, had gills, and the oxygen available would not be a problem? Wait, could a fish build an ark? Hmmm, back to my drawing board.