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If weak Christianity ( no such thing there is only not really Christian) is your cup of tea, this thread is not for you! If you think this is not the end of the age clearly your time is just about up! This is some strong wine so beware......LOL! If you have an agenda against the refinement and spotless folks Daniel was told about, you will lose because God said so.
Ben Avraham said: We will always have our “old nature of sin” with us, and it will rear up its ugly head, as Rav Shaul (Apostol Paul) testifies in Romans 7:14-25. Only physical death will free us from the “old sin nature” Every day it is a constant battle. The spirit against the flesh and the flesh against the spirit.
A Shulammite's response: Always going to have that sinful nature? Well, there ya go, let's rest our hats on the pretext of Paul's account of his own struggle and the struggle of many as if that sinful nature will not be put to death with Christ. To put the whole of the scriptures into a few pretext verses from Paul, pretty much negates the purpose of Christ. Christ came to put to death- sin. This will be done in the true followers of Christ before death. Is it a process for the many? sure. Makes no difference to-" Be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect" - is ultimately accomplished for those who abide. " Brethren be not deceived, he who practices sin is of the devil" You make everything seem like an Almond Joy commercial- " Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't ". Lol! Much more than that.
Sin is ultimately conquered in the believers.
Romans 7:14-25
14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. 16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17 …
Paul persecuted the church, he, the least of the apostles as he said, was coming out of grave sin. He was being made an example of. The whole of the teaching of Christ concerning sin does not rest entirely on Paul. Many people experience a battle process like Paul's and some like John the Beloved etc..... each reaches his 'Christ like' position according to his instrumentality and process. But ultimately it is before death that sin is conquered in one's members- for the Elect of Jew and of Gentile.
That is why the Lord said what he said to Cain in the OT -Genesis 4:6 6“Why are you angry,” said the LORD to Cain, “ and why has your countenance fallen? 7If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you refuse to do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires you, but you must master it.”…
Paul is simply reiterating the very battle that Cain was told he could overcome by doing what is right. Moving forward we know that is to serve Christ and leaning on His every word- " Be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect" some bibles say "holy" what's the difference? Paul showing and telling all generations about his process does not mean Paul is saying he never conquered sin or that we would always have it with us.
Colossians 3:
Putting on the New Self
…4When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory. 5Put to death, therefore, the components of your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires, and greed, which is idolatry. 6Because of these, the wrath of God is coming on the sons of disobedience.…
I have to be correct because if we accept what you say as the truth then that would contradict other bible verses. I would not dare to assume that. God's word is one as He is one. There is no division in the word only a misunderstanding of it which leads to poorly dividing the word. Dividing the word does not mean against itself but knowing when and how to properly apply verses for teaching.
The sin nature must not remain with us to death. Is it a process? yes! Will those who abide succeed? of course! Because they abide in Christ. The lack of hope baffles me. It seems men do not aspire to perfection but simply rest on that cliché phrase- " I'm only human", what a crutch. Not my anthem. Though I am human, I rely not on my nature but Christ's divine one to become like Him. I do not choose the human league but the Divine league.
It is not my desire to rest on such a cliché- "born to make mistakes"? What's that to Christ who came to take all our sins and put them to death? Divine is the climb that all who are called saints-take. I will accept nothing less than perfection for myself, for that is the goal of Christ for His Elect, as Paul attests to. Paul shares the struggle and goal. Thank you Paul !
If weak Christianity ( no such thing there is only not really Christian) is your cup of tea, this thread is not for you! If you think this is not the end of the age clearly your time is just about up! This is some strong wine so beware......LOL! If you have an agenda against the refinement and spotless folks Daniel was told about, you will lose because God said so.
Ben Avraham said: We will always have our “old nature of sin” with us, and it will rear up its ugly head, as Rav Shaul (Apostol Paul) testifies in Romans 7:14-25. Only physical death will free us from the “old sin nature” Every day it is a constant battle. The spirit against the flesh and the flesh against the spirit.
A Shulammite's response: Always going to have that sinful nature? Well, there ya go, let's rest our hats on the pretext of Paul's account of his own struggle and the struggle of many as if that sinful nature will not be put to death with Christ. To put the whole of the scriptures into a few pretext verses from Paul, pretty much negates the purpose of Christ. Christ came to put to death- sin. This will be done in the true followers of Christ before death. Is it a process for the many? sure. Makes no difference to-" Be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect" - is ultimately accomplished for those who abide. " Brethren be not deceived, he who practices sin is of the devil" You make everything seem like an Almond Joy commercial- " Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't ". Lol! Much more than that.
Sin is ultimately conquered in the believers.
Romans 7:14-25
14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. 16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17 …
Paul persecuted the church, he, the least of the apostles as he said, was coming out of grave sin. He was being made an example of. The whole of the teaching of Christ concerning sin does not rest entirely on Paul. Many people experience a battle process like Paul's and some like John the Beloved etc..... each reaches his 'Christ like' position according to his instrumentality and process. But ultimately it is before death that sin is conquered in one's members- for the Elect of Jew and of Gentile.
That is why the Lord said what he said to Cain in the OT -Genesis 4:6 6“Why are you angry,” said the LORD to Cain, “ and why has your countenance fallen? 7If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you refuse to do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires you, but you must master it.”…
Paul is simply reiterating the very battle that Cain was told he could overcome by doing what is right. Moving forward we know that is to serve Christ and leaning on His every word- " Be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect" some bibles say "holy" what's the difference? Paul showing and telling all generations about his process does not mean Paul is saying he never conquered sin or that we would always have it with us.
Colossians 3:
Putting on the New Self
…4When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory. 5Put to death, therefore, the components of your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires, and greed, which is idolatry. 6Because of these, the wrath of God is coming on the sons of disobedience.…
I have to be correct because if we accept what you say as the truth then that would contradict other bible verses. I would not dare to assume that. God's word is one as He is one. There is no division in the word only a misunderstanding of it which leads to poorly dividing the word. Dividing the word does not mean against itself but knowing when and how to properly apply verses for teaching.
The sin nature must not remain with us to death. Is it a process? yes! Will those who abide succeed? of course! Because they abide in Christ. The lack of hope baffles me. It seems men do not aspire to perfection but simply rest on that cliché phrase- " I'm only human", what a crutch. Not my anthem. Though I am human, I rely not on my nature but Christ's divine one to become like Him. I do not choose the human league but the Divine league.
It is not my desire to rest on such a cliché- "born to make mistakes"? What's that to Christ who came to take all our sins and put them to death? Divine is the climb that all who are called saints-take. I will accept nothing less than perfection for myself, for that is the goal of Christ for His Elect, as Paul attests to. Paul shares the struggle and goal. Thank you Paul !
