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Elijah here with a few verses that most will find interesting. We find that God allows for evil 'spirits' to work against His Truth & takes the 'blame' for it because He allowed it to happen. I often think of the miracles that satan & his 'henchman' will work at this last setting of time just before the Second Coming of Christ. One of the verses of Matt. 24 has always been one hard for me to find taking place. That of Matt. 24

[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. (OK: This should settle it for any one that is elect! And also for anyone that teaches an opposite lie.)

[22] And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. (In other Words there will not be an Eccl.3:15 REPEAT of time as seen from the Matt. 25 Midnight CRY to the Loud Cry of 70 AD's slaughter. Because Christ + Paul told us that the time would be 'cut short')

[23] Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
(Again: these are men who will be active in deception. Gen. 4:7 ones & the ones of 1 Kings 22 below. They are not 'just' the average run of the mill ones. But will be seen in time to use all of the devils power of deception as the next verse of Christ's warn us about! )

[24] For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
(The 'very elect' + GREAT SIGNS & WONDERS! Are you ready for this? We are seeing right now the winding down of Matt. 24 and Christ Second coming shortly to be! We see satans agents with the preterist false teaching that Christ is here today. Note His next verse!)

[25] Behold, I have told you before.
[26] Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. ...

(And what you are being told is that he is 'IN' these ones doing the deception work! This verse could be NO plain! Ask yourself when God allows these evil men to do the work of Rev. 16:13-14 + 2 Thess. 2:7-12 what kind of test will that be to you if you needed physical healing?? 2 Thess. 7 says..

[7] For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
[8] And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
[9] Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
[10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

(OK: Back to the Documentation of Christ in Matt.! and HIS FACTS!)

[27] For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
(It could be NO more Plain than that of the above verse it seems, huh? Those are the WORD'S OF CHRIST! But, remember verse 11 above! 'Strong delusion' + 'BELIEVE A LIE'? And that is not the Very Elect is true! But what very elect one would set by & watch the devil & his agents teach that they that Christ is already here on earth today, and [IN THEM] teaching this stuff? And the next verses find that even this is IN GODS FOREKNOWLEDGE and He has allowed these ones to make their FATAL DESIRED FREE WILL CHOICE!)

1 Kings 22
[17] And he said, I saw all Israel scattered upon the hills, as sheep that have not a shepherd: and the LORD said, These have no master: let them return every man to his house in peace.

[18] And the king of Israel said unto Jehoshaphat, Did I not tell thee that he would prophesy no good concerning me, but evil?

[19] And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.

[20] And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.

[21] And there came forth 'a spirit', and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him. (Isaiah 14:12-14 I,I,I,I,I.)

[22] And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

[23] Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.
(And surely one sees this documented again in Inspiration & are the Godheads very Own Words of Rev. 17:5's 'THE ABOMINATION OF THE EARTH' with the compiler's own caps it seems. And this means that these ones also are deceived & are being used of lieing spirits.)

---Elijah
 
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils What are the doctrines of devils?

Devils: NT:1142 daimon (dah'-ee-mown); from daio (to distribute fortunes); a daemon or supernatural spirit (of a bad nature):


These doctrines are not doctrines of grace, and love but supernatural spirits of a BAD nature.

I find it amazing how you eternalhellist will declare the Ultimate salvation for all people as heresy; But no where in God’s Word can you find such a claim.

BUT like the verse above and the verse below


2 Peter 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Strong’s NT:684 apoleia (ap-o'-li-a); from a presumed derivative of NT:622; ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal):

KJV - damnable (-nation), destruction, die, perdition, X perish, pernicious ways, waste.

This is what they preach; notice what the Greek says the false prophets bring. Do they bring the message that God will save all; do they bring the good news of salvation to the whole earth. No they bring damnations to billions, total annihilation and destruction, add words like perish to God’s Word.

Your whole doctrine centers on damnations, eternal torture, and the pagan word hell; you are the one preaching heresies of damnation; not me.
 
The Bible is perfect in its original form; the translations are corrupted by religious zealots. But it is more then that without the spirit of truth leading and guiding us into all truth the Bible becomes the letter that killeth.

The Corn: (the word of God)
The wine: (the revelation of the spirit of truth)
The oil: (the anointing)



2Th 2:11
(ALT) And for this reason God will send to them a supernatural working of deception, for them to believe the lie,

(ASV) And for this cause God sendeth them a working of error, that they should believe a lie:

(CEV) So God will make sure that they are fooled into believing a lie.

(CLV) And therefore God will be sending them an operation of deception, for them to believe the falsehood,

(DRB)(2:10) Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying:

(EMTV) And because of this, God will send them strong delusion, in order for them to believe the lie,

(ESV) Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false,

(Geneva) And therefore God shall send them strong delusion, that they should beleave lies,

(GNB) And so God sends the power of error to work in them so that they believe what is false.

(GW) That's why God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe a lie.

(ISV) For this reason, God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie.

(JPS)
(KJ2000) And for this cause God shall send them a strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

(KJVA) And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

(KJVR) And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

(LITV) And because of this, God will send to them a working of error, for them to believe the lie,

(LONT) For this cause, God will send them strong delusion, that they may believe a lie;

(MKJV) And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie,

(Murdock) Therefore God will send upon them the operation of deception, that they may believe a lie;

(RYLT-NT) and because of this shall God send to them a working of delusion, for their believing the lie,
(The Scriptures '98+)And for this reason Elohim sends them a working of delusion, for them to believe the falsehood,1Footnote: 1Eze. 20:25, John 9:39, John 12:40, Acts 7:42, Rom. 1:24-28.

(Webster) And for this cause God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

(WNT) And for this reason God sends them a misleading influence that they may believe the lie;
 
Benoni said:
I find it amazing how you eternalhellist will declare the Ultimate salvation for all people as heresy; But no where in God’s Word can you find such a claim.
you have GOT to be KIDDING, benoni :lol
Gods word is FILLED with warnings of eternal condemnation....a person would have to be a blind illiterate to miss it all..
Theres so much about it in scripture that I cant even get it all into one post.....so heres a link instead;
READERS SEE >>> Eternal Torment/punishment
 
Benoni said:
(CEV) So God will make sure that they are fooled into believing a lie.
If I were you, b, I'd read this a few times and take it VERY seriously....
 
Benoni said:
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils What are the doctrines of devils?

Devils: NT:1142 daimon (dah'-ee-mown); from daio (to distribute fortunes); a daemon or supernatural spirit (of a bad nature):


These doctrines are not doctrines of grace, and love but supernatural spirits of a BAD nature.

I find it amazing how you eternalhellist will declare the Ultimate salvation for all people as heresy; But no where in God’s Word can you find such a claim.

BUT like the verse above and the verse below


2 Peter 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Strong’s NT:684 apoleia (ap-o'-li-a); from a presumed derivative of NT:622; ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal):

KJV - damnable (-nation), destruction, die, perdition, X perish, pernicious ways, waste.

This is what they preach; notice what the Greek says the false prophets bring. Do they bring the message that God will save all; do they bring the good news of salvation to the whole earth. No they bring damnations to billions, total annihilation and destruction, add words like perish to God’s Word.

Your whole doctrine centers on damnations, eternal torture, and the pagan word hell; you are the one preaching heresies of damnation; not me.

Fist off 'i' do not like personal attacks! Do I care personally? Not in the least Matt. 10:25. So what is my problem? satan has his 2 Cor. 4:2 way of changing the subject to mer man. My WHOLE DOCTRINE CENTERS OF WHAT???

FORUM: Do you see 2 Cor. 4:2 in that false remark? And the GREEK?? Everything that some try to 'teach' is GREEK to me. I just plain do not like to read his Titus 3:9-11 stuffings!

Gods Word is His OWN hermenutics, we do not need the Babylonian confused languages of Jer. 17:5's garbage to understand TRUTH! (the K.J. for just one, will do!) And that is one reason that the ones of Rev. 17:5 have you (?) in this mess in the first place.

---Elijah
 
Elijah674 said:
Elijah here with a few verses that most will find interesting. We find that God allows for evil 'spirits' to work against His Truth & takes the 'blame' for it because He allowed it to happen. I often think of the miracles that satan & his 'henchman' will work at this last setting of time just before the Second Coming of Christ. One of the verses of Matt. 24 has always been one hard for me to find taking place. That of Matt. 24

[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. (OK: This should settle it for any one that is elect! And also for anyone that teaches an opposite lie.)

[22] And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. (In other Words there will not be an Eccl.3:15 REPEAT of time as seen from the Matt. 25 Midnight CRY to the Loud Cry of 70 AD's slaughter. Because Christ + Paul told us that the time would be 'cut short')

[23] Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
(Again: these are men who will be active in deception. Gen. 4:7 ones & the ones of 1 Kings 22 below. They are not 'just' the average run of the mill ones. But will be seen in time to use all of the devils power of deception as the next verse of Christ's warn us about! )

[24] For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
(The 'very elect' + GREAT SIGNS & WONDERS! Are you ready for this? We are seeing right now the winding down of Matt. 24 and Christ Second coming shortly to be! We see satans agents with the preterist false teaching that Christ is here today. Note His next verse!)

[25] Behold, I have told you before.
[26] Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. ...

(And what you are being told is that he is 'IN' these ones doing the deception work! This verse could be NO plain! Ask yourself when God allows these evil men to do the work of Rev. 16:13-14 + 2 Thess. 2:7-12 what kind of test will that be to you if you needed physical healing?? 2 Thess. 7 says..

[7] For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
[8] And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
[9] Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
[10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

(OK: Back to the Documentation of Christ in Matt.! and HIS FACTS!)

[27] For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
(It could be NO more Plain than that of the above verse it seems, huh? Those are the WORD'S OF CHRIST! But, remember verse 11 above! 'Strong delusion' + 'BELIEVE A LIE'? And that is not the Very Elect is true! But what very elect one would set by & watch the devil & his agents teach that they that Christ is already here on earth today, and [IN THEM] teaching this stuff? And the next verses find that even this is IN GODS FOREKNOWLEDGE and He has allowed these ones to make their FATAL DESIRED FREE WILL CHOICE!)

1 Kings 22
[17] And he said, I saw all Israel scattered upon the hills, as sheep that have not a shepherd: and the LORD said, These have no master: let them return every man to his house in peace.

[18] And the king of Israel said unto Jehoshaphat, Did I not tell thee that he would prophesy no good concerning me, but evil?

[19] And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.

[20] And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.

[21] And there came forth 'a spirit', and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him. (Isaiah 14:12-14 I,I,I,I,I.)

[22] And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

[23] Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.
(And surely one sees this documented again in Inspiration & are the Godheads very Own Words of Rev. 17:5's 'THE ABOMINATION OF THE EARTH' with the compiler's own caps it seems. And this means that these ones also are deceived & are being used of lieing spirits.)

---Elijah

iI believe this passage of Mt. 24 to be the Fall of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. for a good book that speaks to this possibility, read "The Last Days According to Jesus", By R.C. Sproul. By the way Mt 25 :46, is probably speaking to the end of the age of the Jewish religion and it's fall and the beginning of the Church age of life and not eternal punishment of any sort.
Bubba
 
Bubba said:
Elijah674 said:
Elijah here with a few verses that most will find interesting. We find that God allows for evil 'spirits' to work against His Truth & takes the 'blame' for it because He allowed it to happen. I often think of the miracles that satan & his 'henchman' will work at this last setting of time just before the Second Coming of Christ. One of the verses of Matt. 24 has always been one hard for me to find taking place. That of Matt. 24

[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. (OK: This should settle it for any one that is elect! And also for anyone that teaches an opposite lie.)

[22] And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. (In other Words there will not be an Eccl.3:15 REPEAT of time as seen from the Matt. 25 Midnight CRY to the Loud Cry of 70 AD's slaughter. Because Christ + Paul told us that the time would be 'cut short')

[23] Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
(Again: these are men who will be active in deception. Gen. 4:7 ones & the ones of 1 Kings 22 below. They are not 'just' the average run of the mill ones. But will be seen in time to use all of the devils power of deception as the next verse of Christ's warn us about! )

[24] For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
(The 'very elect' + GREAT SIGNS & WONDERS! Are you ready for this? We are seeing right now the winding down of Matt. 24 and Christ Second coming shortly to be! We see satans agents with the preterist false teaching that Christ is here today. Note His next verse!)

[25] Behold, I have told you before.
[26] Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. ...

(And what you are being told is that he is 'IN' these ones doing the deception work! This verse could be NO plain! Ask yourself when God allows these evil men to do the work of Rev. 16:13-14 + 2 Thess. 2:7-12 what kind of test will that be to you if you needed physical healing?? 2 Thess. 7 says..

[7] For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
[8] And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
[9] Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
[10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

(OK: Back to the Documentation of Christ in Matt.! and HIS FACTS!)

[27] For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
(It could be NO more Plain than that of the above verse it seems, huh? Those are the WORD'S OF CHRIST! But, remember verse 11 above! 'Strong delusion' + 'BELIEVE A LIE'? And that is not the Very Elect is true! But what very elect one would set by & watch the devil & his agents teach that they that Christ is already here on earth today, and [IN THEM] teaching this stuff? And the next verses find that even this is IN GODS FOREKNOWLEDGE and He has allowed these ones to make their FATAL DESIRED FREE WILL CHOICE!)

1 Kings 22
[17] And he said, I saw all Israel scattered upon the hills, as sheep that have not a shepherd: and the LORD said, These have no master: let them return every man to his house in peace.

[18] And the king of Israel said unto Jehoshaphat, Did I not tell thee that he would prophesy no good concerning me, but evil?

[19] And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.

[20] And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.

[21] And there came forth 'a spirit', and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him. (Isaiah 14:12-14 I,I,I,I,I.)

[22] And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

[23] Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.
(And surely one sees this documented again in Inspiration & are the Godheads very Own Words of Rev. 17:5's 'THE ABOMINATION OF THE EARTH' with the compiler's own caps it seems. And this means that these ones also are deceived & are being used of lieing spirits.)

---Elijah

iI believe this passage of Mt. 24 to be the Fall of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. for a good book that speaks to this possibility, read "The Last Days According to Jesus", By R.C. Sproul. By the way Mt 25 :46, is probably speaking to the end of the age of the Jewish religion and it's fall and the beginning of the Church age of life and not eternal punishment of any sort.
Bubba

Hi, I tried to post a reply, but it seems that there is a problem? --Elijah
 
Bubba said:
iI believe this passage of Mt. 24 to be the Fall of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. for a good book that speaks to this possibility, read "The Last Days According to Jesus", By R.C. Sproul. By the way Mt 25 :46, is probably speaking to the end of the age of the Jewish religion and it's fall and the beginning of the Church age of life and not eternal punishment of any sort.
Bubba
Preterist ?
That view leaves a lot of problems in the texts that cant be solved.
 
Hi,
Forgive me, but I'm having a real time trying to figure out what this thread is about. :confused

As for the preterist...if 70AD is what you say it is, then the 1000 reign of Christ has already happened and been over with for about another 1000 years? Where exactly in the Biblical timeline would we be in right NOW?

70AD as the time that was worse than any before or after??? Huh??? Worse than the 20th century??? Huh???

This is my first post on this forum. Why do I get the feeling it's going to be difficult getting any "straight talk" out of here?
 
ConquererWorm said:
Hi,
Forgive me, but I'm having a real time trying to figure out what this thread is about. :confused

As for the preterist...if 70AD is what you say it is, then the 1000 reign of Christ has already happened and been over with for about another 1000 years? Where exactly in the Biblical timeline would we be in right NOW?

70AD as the time that was worse than any before or after??? Huh??? Worse than the 20th century??? Huh???

This is my first post on this forum. Why do I get the feeling it's going to be difficult getting any "straight talk" out of here?

Hi! Elijah here:
Ask it straight & it will come back straight. :) Anthow I go by Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15 unless God tell's us differently. Like Nahum 1:9 or the rainbow in the sky few times that there are NO repeats! And preterism?? No, I do not buy into that satanic bill of goods in any way!
 
Hi! Elijah here:
Ask it straight & it will come back straight. :) Anthow I go by Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15 unless God tell's us differently. Like Nahum 1:9 or the rainbow in the sky few times that there are NO repeats! And preterism?? No, I do not buy into that satanic bill of goods in any way!
[/quote]

A) I don't quite understand your Eccl. and Nahum refs. I tend towards Type/Anti-Type interpretation, where "that which WAS" is the "shadow" of "that which is TO BE (in the future)". The best example would be Noah's Ark being a "shadow type" of Christ, I think. Though Jerusalem "fell" in 70AD, it will fall again in the future...and more permanently this time!!!, no??? I don't understand your phrase "NO repeats". Obviously, we don't need ANOTHER rainbow... we already have one. But we DO need "total" fulfillment of prophecies which up until now have only had a "partial" fulfillment. Isn't the "wailing wall" still standing, and didn't Jesus say that "not one stone" would be standing?

B) I still don't understand what this thread is really getting at. "Foreknowledge of God's Straight Talk" doesn't make much sense to me without any context, and the following posts seem to have gotten quagmired.

Either way, thanks for the response E.
:wave :wave
 
ConquererWorm said:
Hi,
Forgive me, but I'm having a real time trying to figure out what this thread is about. :confused

As for the preterist...if 70AD is what you say it is, then the 1000 reign of Christ has already happened and been over with for about another 1000 years? Where exactly in the Biblical timeline would we be in right NOW?

70AD as the time that was worse than any before or after??? Huh??? Worse than the 20th century??? Huh???

This is my first post on this forum. Why do I get the feeling it's going to be difficult getting any "straight talk" out of here?

I'm having the same problem. I have absolutely no idea how this has to do with forknowledge.

Anyway, almost all preterists (partial and not) are amillenialists.
 
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