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Gay Bishop Goes To Rehab For Booze Problem

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CONCORD, New Hampshire (AP) -- The Episcopal Church's first openly gay bishop, V. Gene Robinson, has started treatment for alcoholism.

"I am writing to you from an alcohol treatment center where on February 1, with the encouragement and support of my partner, daughters and colleagues, I checked myself in to deal with my increasing dependence on alcohol," Robinson wrote in an e-mail to clergy Monday that was released Tuesday by the Diocese of New Hampshire.

Robinson's assistant, the Rev. Tim Rich, said Tuesday there was no crisis that led to Robinson's decision to seek treatment but rather a growing awareness of his problem.

In his letter, Robinson said he had been dealing with alcoholism for years and had considered it "as a failure of will or discipline on my part, rather than a disease over which my particular body simply has no control, except to stop drinking altogether."

Rich said the news surprised him and many other clergy.

"We did not see it in any way impact his ministry in the diocese," Rich said.

The Rev. David Jones, rector of Robinson's home church, St. Paul's in Concord, said he had never seen any sign that Robinson had a problem with alcohol.

Robinson was elected bishop of New Hampshire in 2003 and confirmed by the national church, causing an upheaval not only in the Episcopal Church, but the worldwide Anglican Communion of which it is part.

He will spend four weeks in rehabilitation. Spokesman Mike Barwell said the diocese would not disclose the location.

In the Episcopal Church system, such matters are handled within the diocese. Between sessions of the diocesan convention, the "standing committee," an elected panel of priests and lay parishioners, normally decides supervision of the diocese during a bishop's absence and other questions regarding his administration. The national church gets involved only in rare cases of formal charges involving misconduct.

The diocese's standing committee said its members support Robinson "and we commend him for his courageous example to us all, as we pray daily for him and for his ministry among us."

In addition to touching off protests and struggles for control and property in the Episcopal and other Anglican churches, Robinson has found himself a celebrity.

At New York's gay pride parade last spring, marchers and spectators crowded around him for more than three hours, reaching out to touch his hand, crying and thanking him.

"It sounds soap-operaish to say, but I'm the son of a tobacco sharecropper who didn't live in a house with running water until I was 10 years old. I can't believe I'm here, you know. So I find it very difficult to be anything but grateful," he said after the parade last year.
 
Well at least he is honest.....

A lot of preachers would be in denial, never get help and get cirrhosis for their trouble....

Of course this is a "liberal" Church and I am sure many here would discredit the man just for that reason....

But I hope he ends up getting off the bottle.
 
I may get harpooned, for this, but I don't care. First of all the dude has no business in the pulpit being gay, and on top of that a drunk. We as Christians are not perfect, and we have our faults. But I will except a drinking in the back room clergy man, before I except a gay one at anytime. A practicing gay should not be preaching the gospel, in the pulpit period.
 
Maybe the man is using the bottle to drown out the conviction of sin he feels inside. The drunkeness is only a symptom.
 
What does God say about leaders?

It takes courage to admit that you are gay and an alcoholic.

Great that he has booked in for treatment.

Good, worldly actions. Condone the gay, trust the treatment center to cure your alcoholism! The gays see him as a hero; next it will be the alcoholics.

I wonder what the Bible says about this?

1 Timothy 3:1-10

Overseers and Deacons

Here is a trustworthy saying: If anyone sets his heart on being an overseer, he desires a noble task. Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him with proper respect. (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God's church?) He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil's trap.

Deacons, likewise, are to be men worthy of respect, sincere, not indulging in much wine, and not pursuing dishonest gain. They must keep hold of the deep truths of the faith with a clear conscience. They must first be tested; and then if there is nothing against them, let them serve as deacons.

Paul said that Christians could look to him, follow him as he followed Christ.

Can anyone honestly say that Gene Robinson is a role model in the Paul style?

I would suggest that he is a role model for gays and alcoholics... and those who currently admire him while they continue in their sinful lifestyle.

I am not saying that he should not be forgiven. However, he should step down as a leader.

:-?
 
Like I said we are not perfect, I was a drunk and a drug addict for 30 something years, even while I was saved. But being gay in the pupit is another thing.
 
He is obviously not a Drunk, because most drunks would never see they have a problem. He probably uses alchol as much as I do (which isnt alot) But I doub't he is a full blown drunk.
 
What i stated was because of the definition I have known of alcholism and such

A disease that includes alcohol craving and continued drinking despite repeated alcohol-related problems, such as losing a job or getting into trouble with the law. Symptoms include craving, impaired control, physical dependence, and increased tolerance.
Mine was pretty close (not as many nice words) but this is what I basically meant. This Bishop has been in no trouble, or lost his job, or even had it noticeable to his congregation, leading me to believe that, He stopped something, before it became a problem.

I should not have used the word drunk...
 
I may get harpooned, for this, but I don't care. First of all the dude has no business in the pulpit being gay, and on top of that a drunk. We as Christians are not perfect, and we have our faults. But I will except a drinking in the back room clergy man, before I except a gay one at anytime. A practicing gay should not be preaching the gospel, in the pulpit period.

He is not an ideal deacon that we can all agree on.

But one thing to remember.

Many people feel "overwhelmed" by Church folk and leaders because they think they are "better" at being Christian due to their "perfect lives" that seems to be portrayed from the pulpit.

A struggling, gay, drunk man that is honestly trying to serve God may incite many people to the Church because they feel "if the Preacher has problems and is accepted than why cant I be here in the Church as well".

Of course it is not the "ideal standard" of a leader but then again half the "supposed" Holy men of the church are closet molesters, thieves, homos, etc....
 
peace4all said:
He is obviously not a Drunk, because most drunks would never see they have a problem.
Not true at all. Your premise is that "most drunks would not see (that) they have a problem" is not correct. Most people with a substance abuse disorder (to be politically correct) are aware that they do have a problem. Many do not realise that the continuum from EXPERIMENTATION to USE to MISUSE to ABUSE to DEPENDENCE can be halted if they push the alarm bell of the fast-descending elevator. The whole success of the 12-step program of Alcoholics Anonymous is the first step which is made by the substance abuser (the alcoholic himself), and that is an honest desire for help. Or, in their words "We admitted we were powerless over alcohol--that our lives had become unmanageable." Read more: http://www.recovery.org/aa/misc/12steps.html

peace4all said:
He probably uses alchol as much as I do (which isnt alot) But I doub't he is a full blown drunk.
Again, incorrect terminology and incorrect classifications. You may be a USER (you are the only one who can honestly decide where you are are the scale from EXPERIMENTATION to DEPENDENCE) while Gene Robinson has admitted that "I checked myself in (to the alcohol treatment center) to deal with my increasing dependence on alcohol..." says very clearly that that Gene Robinson has got to step one in the recovery process. He (personally) has admitted that he has an alcohol DEPENDENCE and needs help.

Lastly, the issue still remains. A Christian leader in this situation should step down from leadership.

:)
 
Soma-Sight said:
Of course it is not the "ideal standard" of a leader but then again half the "supposed" Holy men of the church are closet molesters, thieves, homos, etc....

Where do you get the statistic that half (50%) of ministers/preachers/elders/deacons are "closet molesters, thieves, homos, etc...."? Or is this personal experience?

:o
 
I do have to say that we need our church leaders to adhere STRICTLY to the Word of God within their own lives, so that they don't mess with God's anointing...God has dealt quite openly with such individuals who have done this, and pretty much made examples of them. Like Jimmy Swaggart back in the late '80s, for example.

It's time we stopped putting our own lives before the one He gave for us, and we don't need to allow sin to remain something we make excuses in ourselves for. Homosexuality in the church is as wrong as adultery, and fornicating, and idolatry, and blasphemy, and every other wicked thing that isn't pleasing to God. When a church leader gives him or herself over to doing these things, they either need to step down in good conscience and go get themselves right with God through Christ Jesus before even thinking about coming back, or understand that they WILL be dealt with by God if they don't choose to deal with it themselves first. Much is required from whom much is given.

I just know that if I were in charge of feeding the Lord's sheep, I'd be VERY serious about my responsibilities I have to them, as Jesus inquired of Peter.
 
Ajax 777 said:
I do have to say that we need our church leaders to adhere STRICTLY to the Word of God within their own lives, so that they don't mess with God's anointing...God has dealt quite openly with such individuals who have done this, and pretty much made examples of them. Like Jimmy Swaggart back in the late '80s, for example.

It's time we stopped putting our own lives before the one He gave for us, and we don't need to allow sin to remain something we make excuses in ourselves for. Homosexuality in the church is as wrong as adultery, and fornicating, and idolatry, and blasphemy, and every other wicked thing that isn't pleasing to God. When a church leader gives him or herself over to doing these things, they either need to step down in good conscience and go get themselves right with God through Christ Jesus before even thinking about coming back, or understand that they WILL be dealt with by God if they don't choose to deal with it themselves first. Much is required from whom much is given.
Very well said.
I just know that if I were in charge of feeding the Lord's sheep, I'd be VERY serious about my responsibilities I have to them, as Jesus inquired of Peter.
Very well said, Ajax.
 
I do have to say that we need our church leaders to adhere STRICTLY to the Word of God within their own lives, so that they don't mess with God's anointing...God has dealt quite openly with such individuals who have done this, and pretty much made examples of them. Like Jimmy Swaggart back in the late '80s, for example.

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