Gentiles

[NIGHTMARE]

Lets look at who really survived the flood,,,,

Most people will tell you that only 8 people made it,,,but a simple look a scripture shows something different......Did more then 8 people survive the flood??????answer:: YES

There are many aspects to prove this,,,, but lets just look at 1 simple one,,,,

Who are "GENTILES"????????

Ok this is this is the first time we see "Gentile"

Gen. 10:5 By these were the isles of the "Gentiles" divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

"Gentile" is just the Hebrew word,,,,,, "goy',,,,,,,,, or "gowy",,,,,,,, or the plural,,,, "goyim"--foreigners, foreign nations, heathens, or people. Sometimes it mean a swarm of locusts, or a group of animals, or beasts........ But here were talking about heathen nations not of Adamic blood,,,or Noahs.....

If you look up the word "nations" and "gentiles" you will see they both come from the word "goy" ,,,which means a forieiner,,,,a person that is not of Adams blood nor Noahs......

Now the bible says,,,,,, Gen. 7:7 And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons’ wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood.....thats 8 people,,,,,,but these are eight people from Noah,,,,,Noah is from Adam,,,these are 8 Adamic people full blooded Adamic....NOT GENTILES (GOY).......

Now tighten up ,,,in Genesis 8:18 Noah and the other 7 get out the ark,,,,,,so there should only be 8 people on earth,,,,and know what if a son goes into a daughter or a different marriage is made it still wont change the fact that 1 adamic + 1 adamic = adamic

SO where did Gentiles come from?????????????Noah didnt get out the ark until Genesis 8:18 we see "Gentiles" in Genesis 10:5......Where Did they Come from?????ANSWER Genesis chp 1........


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[Benoni]

Interesting

 

[Lance_Iguana]

Sounds like someone has been reading Gilgamesh.

 

[NIGHTMARE]

Sounds like someone has been reading Gilgamesh.

I had never heard of that or him unto now,,,I went on wikipedia to see who this was and it said something about demon god around 2700 bc or something,,,,nah I have never read this,,,heck im shocked you have heard of this dude,,,you must read alot......

 

[Lance_Iguana]

Sounds like someone has been reading Gilgamesh.

I had never heard of that or him unto now,,,I went on wikipedia to see who this was and it said something about demon god around 2700 bc or something,,,,nah I have never read this,,,heck im shocked you have heard of this dude,,,you must read alot......

I frequent allot of nerdy circles ;) . I thought I'd jokingly bring this up since both the Story of Noah and Gilgamesh have similarities, where in Gilgamesh not everyone died. Its not far fetched that Egypt and Mesopotamia would have a similar tale since both empires had recurring themes in the Old testament. :yes

 

[inhopeofglory]

The answer is in the text...

Genesis 10:1-5: "Now this is the genealogy of the sons of Noah: Shem, Ham, and Japheth. And sons were born to them after the flood. The sons of Japheth were Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras. The sons of Gomer were Ashkenaz, Riphath, and Togarmah. The sons of Javan were Elishah, Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim. From these the coastland peoples of the Gentiles were separated into their lands, everyone according to his language, according to their families, into their nations."

"From these the coastland peoples of the Gentiles..." From whom? From all the families that have just been given. It's an unbroken chain direct from Noah.

Noah -> Japheth -> Gomer & Javan (both sons of Japheth) -> "sons of Gomer & sons of Javan" -> "the coastland peoples of the Gentiles"

 

[handy]

I think the problem here is looking at Genesis 10 as if it is continuing the lineal history of Genesis 6-9. It doesn't. Once the author finishes with the history of Noah, he begins to give us a more general narrative of the history of Noah's sons.

You can see what I mean by comparing Genesis 10:5; 10:6-10; 10:32and 11:1-9.

10:5 states that "nations were separated into their lands, every one according to his language."
6-10 speaks of how it was Noah's great-grandson Nimrod became king of Babel.
:35 repeats that the previous was the genealogy of Noah's sons and their nations and how the nations were separated.
Then in 11, we get the details of how the languages were separated at Babel, but without knowing exactly when. But, it had to be during the period of time described between Genesis 10:5 and 35.

There is probably over a 100 years worth of history packed into Genesis 10. Just through Japeth alone, Noah had 15 grandsons and great-grandsons. 15 couples can have a lot of children.

So, as inhopeofglory said, the answer is in the text. The Gentile nations came from Japeth.

Take for instance my own family: My grandparents had two children, my mom and my uncle, both born in the 1930's. At Dad's funeral last year, all of my grandparents children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren were at my sister's house. Can you guess how many were at my sister's house? 45. 45 people in just 70 years were brought about by my grandparents and their 2 kids. Plus, no one in my family has had more than 4 children and my uncle has no grandchildren. Think of how many a total of 15 sons could bring within 70 years, and that's just Japeth. Shem and Ham had quite a few sons as well.

However, that is all immaterial. The real issue here is this statement from the OP:

But here were talking about heathen nations not of Adamic blood,,,or Noahs.....

This sounds like* the false teaching and heresy of Kenites here. Related to it is the false teaching and heresy of the Serpent Seed. Both are doctrines by the false teacher Arnold Murry. These doctrines are not biblical at all.

*Please note the emphasis on "sounds like".

Now with that provocative statement, I'm signing off for the day. ;)

 

[mondar]

If you look up the word "nations" and "gentiles" you will see they both come from the word "goy" ,,,which means a forieiner,,,,a person that is not of Adams blood nor Noahs......

The term "goy" or "goyim" (Gentiles, nations)does not have any reference or relationship to either Adam or Noah. The term is used for those who are not genetically Israeli.

Gen. 10:5 By these were the isles of the "Gentiles" divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

Genesis 10 is commonly called "The Table of Nations." After the Tower of Babel, the human race separated geographically, and the separate genetic traits of each race began to develop. As race traits developed, these races would have been the gentiles or nations from the Israeli perspective.

SO where did Gentiles come from?????????????Noah didnt get out the ark until Genesis 8:18 we see "Gentiles" in Genesis 10:5......Where Did they Come from?????ANSWER Genesis chp 1........

So then, if the term "Gentile" refers to the time of Moses when the book of Genesis was written, and is an ethnocentric term, then the term refers to anyone of Adamic/Noahic descent who is not genetically Israeli. The Gentiles then of course precede Abraham and it is the correct term for Moses to use in Genesis 10:5.

 

[NIGHTMARE]

The answer is in the text...

Genesis 10:1-5: "Now this is the genealogy of the sons of Noah: Shem, Ham, and Japheth. And sons were born to them after the flood. The sons of Japheth were Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras. The sons of Gomer were Ashkenaz, Riphath, and Togarmah. The sons of Javan were Elishah, Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim. From these the coastland peoples of the Gentiles were separated into their lands, everyone according to his language, according to their families, into their nations."

"From these the coastland peoples of the Gentiles..." From whom? From all the families that have just been given. It's an unbroken chain direct from Noah.

Noah -> Japheth -> Gomer & Javan (both sons of Japheth) -> "sons of Gomer & sons of Javan" -> "the coastland peoples of the Gentiles"

I guess my point is,,,,was Noah Adamic ????? yes,,,,was his sons adamic??? yes,,, was his sons wives adamic ????? yes

If Adam was the first male and Eve was takin from Adam then there adamic,,,,if they have daughters and sons there all adamic,,,if any of them have children to each other,,,the children will be adamic....

YOu cant get a gentile from 2 adamics or 100 adamics......

 

[handy]

Leaving later than I thought.

The gentiles are descended from Adam. All mankind is descended from Adam. Period.

 

[NIGHTMARE]

I think the problem here is looking at Genesis 10 as if it is continuing the lineal history of Genesis 6-9. It doesn't. Once the author finishes with the history of Noah, he begins to give us a more general narrative of the history of Noah's sons.

You can see what I mean by comparing Genesis 10:5; 10:6-10; 10:32and 11:1-9.

10:5 states that "nations were separated into their lands, every one according to his language."
6-10 speaks of how it was Noah's great-grandson Nimrod became king of Babel.
:35 repeats that the previous was the genealogy of Noah's sons and their nations and how the nations were separated.
Then in 11, we get the details of how the languages were separated at Babel, but without knowing exactly when. But, it had to be during the period of time described between Genesis 10:5 and 35.

There is probably over a 100 years worth of history packed into Genesis 10. Just through Japeth alone, Noah had 15 grandsons and great-grandsons. 15 couples can have a lot of children.

So, as inhopeofglory said, the answer is in the text. The Gentile nations came from Japeth.

Take for instance my own family: My grandparents had two children, my mom and my uncle, both born in the 1930's. At Dad's funeral last year, all of my grandparents children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren were at my sister's house. Can you guess how many were at my sister's house? 45. 45 people in just 70 years were brought about by my grandparents and their 2 kids. Plus, no one in my family has had more than 4 children and my uncle has no grandchildren. Think of how many a total of 15 sons could bring within 70 years, and that's just Japeth. Shem and Ham had quite a few sons as well.

However, that is all immaterial. The real issue here is this statement from the OP:

But here were talking about heathen nations not of Adamic blood,,,or Noahs.....

This sounds like* the false teaching and heresy of Kenites here. Related to it is the false teaching and heresy of the Serpent Seed. Both are doctrines by the false teacher Arnold Murry. These doctrines are not biblical at all.

*Please note the emphasis on "sounds like".

Now with that provocative statement, I'm signing off for the day. ;)

I will address your answer,,,as far as Arnold Murray,,,,I know what he believes but whats that have to do with me,,,he not my teacher if thats what your asking....

Ok you said this:::::The Gentile nations came from Japeth. :rolling

Japheth,,,,came from Noah.......Noah came from Lamech......Lamech came from Methuselah.......

Methuselah came from Enoch........Enoch came from Jared.......Jared came from Mahalaleel.....

Mahalaleel came from Cainan...... Cainan came form Enos..........Enos came from Seth........

Seth came from Adam and Eve......Eve came from Adam......

All these people are Adamic none of them are Gentiles..........SORRY GAME OVER ,,,try again?

 

[NIGHTMARE]

Leaving later than I thought.

The gentiles are descended from Adam. All mankind is descended from Adam. Period.

:biglol

 

[NIGHTMARE]

[quote="Lance_Iguana":coafkn2b]Sounds like someone has been reading Gilgamesh.

I had never heard of that or him unto now,,,I went on wikipedia to see who this was and it said something about demon god around 2700 bc or something,,,,nah I have never read this,,,heck im shocked you have heard of this dude,,,you must read alot......

I frequent allot of nerdy circles ;) . I thought I'd jokingly bring this up since both the Story of Noah and Gilgamesh have similarities, where in Gilgamesh not everyone died. Its not far fetched that Egypt and Mesopotamia would have a similar tale since both empires had recurring themes in the Old testament. :yes[/quote:coafkn2b]

LOL Actually it sounds kinda interesting but I have never heard of this Guy,,,so where to start,,,is there a book???????

 

[Drew]

The term "goy" or "goyim" (Gentiles, nations)does not have any reference or relationship to either Adam or Noah. The term is used for those who are not genetically Israeli.

I agree. One reason to believe this is the way that Paul uses the term in his letters. For Paul, the term denoted precisely what you say - those who were not "genetically Israeli".

 

[handy]

Nightmare, you asked, "Where did the gentiles come from?" As inhopeofglory already pointed out, the text shows quite clearly that the gentile nations originated from the sons of Japheth. Gentiles are descended from Noah and from Adam. If you really are interested in the truth of the matter, we can do a full study on the word "gowy" which is the word for gentile and for nation.

If your mind is made up and no fact is going to confuse you and you are just going to laugh at those who disagree with your false premise that the gentiles are not descended from Adam and Noah, then there is no need to go further with the conversation.

I really do have to go now. I'll check back later to see if this is going to be a true discussion of seeking after Biblical truth and actually studying what the scriptures has to say in the matter, or ...not.

PS, good posts Drew and mondar.

 

[inhopeofglory]

All these people are Adamic none of them are Gentiles..........SORRY GAME OVER ,,,try again?

Where and how does one come to the conclusion that "Adamic" means "non-Gentile"? I showed in my post that the very verse you quoted says that the Gentile coastland peoples are descended from the sons of Gomer and Javan, who are themselves sons of Japheth, the son of Noah.

The Gentile nations came from Japeth.

To be a mite more precise, the coastland Gentile nations came from Japheth. You will notice, for example, that one of Javan's sons is Kittim, whose name elsewhere in Scripture is seen to be given to the region of what we know as Cyprus (e.g. Daniel 11:30).

 

[handy]

The Gentile nations came from Japeth.

To be a mite more precise, the coastland Gentile nations came from Japheth. You will notice, for example, that one of Javan's sons is Kittim, whose name elsewhere in Scripture is seen to be given to the region of what we know as Cyprus (e.g. Daniel 11:30).

True, just as Gomer is recognized as the originator of the Germanic tribes. Thanks for the clarification.

This has the potential of being a very interesting study.

 

[whirlwind]

Nightmare, you asked, "Where did the gentiles come from?" As inhopeofglory already pointed out, the text shows quite clearly that the gentile nations originated from the sons of Japheth. Gentiles are descended from Noah and from Adam. If you really are interested in the truth of the matter, we can do a full study on the word "gowy" which is the word for gentile and for nation.

If your mind is made up and no fact is going to confuse you and you are just going to laugh at those who disagree with your false premise that the gentiles are not descended from Adam and Noah, then there is no need to go further with the conversation.

I really do have to go now. I'll check back later to see if this is going to be a true discussion of seeking after Biblical truth and actually studying what the scriptures has to say in the matter, or ...not.

PS, good posts Drew and mondar.

Handy....I agree with Nightmare. The texts don't show Gentiles originating from Adam. All the races didn't come from one individual (or even two )

 

[NIGHTMARE]

The term "goy" or "goyim" (Gentiles, nations)does not have any reference or relationship to either Adam or Noah. The term is used for those who are not genetically Israeli.

I agree. One reason to believe this is the way that Paul uses the term in his letters. For Paul, the term denoted precisely what you say - those who were not "genetically Israeli".

You do know that the acrostic for Israel is Isiac,,,Sarah,,,,Rebekah,,,,,Abraham,,,,,and Leah,,,,funny how none of these people were gentile either they all were Adamic....

 

[Drew]

You do know that the acrostic for Israel is Isiac,,,Sarah,,,,Rebekah,,,,,Abraham,,,,,and Leah,,,,funny how none of these people were gentile either they all were Adamic....

I am not sure what your point is here. It seems clear to me what Paul meant by the term "Gentile" - he meant everyone who is not an ethnic Jew:

14For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do (A)instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, ..

Who has the "Law" (clearly an allusion to the Law of Moses)? Answer: the Jews. How does Paul characterize the Gentiles? Answer: those who are not under the Law of Moses, obviously everyone who is not an "ethnic" Jew.

For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith (AX)is one.

Clearly Paul has carved up all humanity into two camps - the Jew who are circumcised and under the Law and the Gentiles who are neither. Clearly, Paul is using the term "Gentile" to refer to those who are not ethnically Jewish.