Giving credit to people for God's work

[Heidi]

If we give credit to Mary for our salvation, then why not give to to Mary's mother for giving birth to her? After all, without Mary's mother, Mary could never have been born to give birth to Christ. And how about Mary's grandmother without whom we wouldn't have Mary's mother or Mary or Christ! So since the catholics give credit to Mary for Christ's deeds, then why not make idols and statues of all of Mary's ancestors, without whom, according to catholics, Christ never would have been born? :-?

 

[Orthodox Christian]

Joachim (Eliacim/Heli) and Anna, parents of Mary ("the righteous ancestors of the Lord")

David the King, ancestor of the Lord, of the tribe of Judah.

We have icons of Avraham also, of Ruth, and other ancestors of Christ.

Nice to see that we agree on the indispensable, holy role that each played in the coming of He who is salvation.

 

[farley]

Some here like to pick and choose the scripture that works for them.

I guess yall choose to avoid picking the verses regarding graven images!

In Christ,

farley

 

[Orthodox Christian]

Some here like to pick and choose the scripture that works for them.

I guess yall choose to avoid picking the verses regarding graven images!

In Christ,

farley

Rather than take this thread out of its subject, just think on this for a while:What was set upon the top of the Ark of the Covenant in the Most Holy Place? Were those 'graven' images? How about that Bronze Serpent? How about the Risen Savior?

 

[Heidi]

Joachim (Eliacim/Heli) and Anna, parents of Mary ("the righteous ancestors of the Lord")

David the King, ancestor of the Lord, of the tribe of Judah.

We have icons of Avraham also, of Ruth, and other ancestors of Christ.

Nice to see that we agree on the indispensable, holy role that each played in the coming of He who is salvation.

So how much credit does God get in all of this? :o

 

[Orthodox Christian]

So how much credit does God get in all of this?

From you? I don't know.

Within the Orthodox tradition, He is the only one that is worshipped and praised, the One to whom all glory, honor and praise is due, now and forever, and unto the ages of ages
amen.

 

[Heidi]

So how much credit does God get in all of this?

From you? I don't know.

Within the Orthodox tradition, He is the only one that is worshipped and praised, the One to whom all glory, honor and praise is due, now and forever, and unto the ages of ages
amen.

So if all honor and glory is due to God for everything he created, including people, then why do you give some of it to people? :o You just contradicted yourself again.

And you know very well that I give all the honor to God and none to people in all of my posts so you are lying when you say I do not give him credit. And if you have to lie to make your points, then none of them are valid. I will not argue with someone who lies and contradicts himself. Lies come from false teachers who Paul tells us are servants of the devil because the devil is the father of lies. I am therefore placing you on my ignore list.

 

[Merry Menagerie]

Heidi has only ever given God the credit and glory for EVERYTHING! Including the things in her life! She doesn't even give credit for herself!!! To say otherwise is a direct lie!

 

[Orthodoxy]

Honor thy father and thy mother.

Does this mean anything? Is not "honoring ones father and mother" honoring God?

God gave this command and keeping it honors Him.

Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints. Psalms 116:15.

Is not honoring those "Precious in the sight of the LORD" honoring and giving glory to God?

Orthodoxy

 

[Orthodoxy]

Some here like to pick and choose the scripture that works for them.

I guess yall choose to avoid picking the verses regarding graven images!

In Christ,

farley

We have covered this before.

In Exodus 20:4 it states “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.â€Â

Here the context of “graven images†means idols that are worshiped as god, thus it appears there are 2 classifications of images, true images and false images.

If man is made in the “IMAGE†of God then men are “ICONS†of God. If this statement is true then taking a picture of your mom is making a graven image and condemned by the bible. God Himself broke His own command in Exodus 25:19-20, Exodus 26:1.

Here we are told not to make images of anything “in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth†if this statement is true then we cannot take pictures of our animals, place stuffed animals on our walls and beds, or mount trophy fish. All paintings of animals, fish, people, birds or any scenes of nature are condemned according to this verse of the bible.

The Serpent that Moses brought before the people was an idol under this definition and God commanded those that wanted to be saved to look at it.

Seems God is breaking His own laws and the protestants are again placing a burden upon a man's heart to heavy to bear. You cannot pray for your dead beloved family members, you cannot have pictures of them, you cannot baptise your infant and dedicate him to God. What other laws and regulations must men bear to be saved?

Lord have mercy.

Orthodoxy

 

[Orthodox Christian]

So how much credit does God get in all of this?

From you? I don't know.

Within the Orthodox tradition, He is the only one that is worshipped and praised, the One to whom all glory, honor and praise is due, now and forever, and unto the ages of ages
amen.

So if all honor and glory is due to God for everything he created, including people, then why do you give some of it to people? :o You just contradicted yourself again.

Not so.
"Christ in you, the hope of glory."
We actually truly believe that Christ resides in humans. Sometimes it's more obvious than others. Either way, we glorify Christ in the Saints. It is YOU who says we give the credit to people. We say we glorify "Christ in you, the hope of glory."
By denying honor to Christ in others, you deny His presence in them.

And you know very well that I give all the honor to God and none to people in all of my posts

I don't know that you give glory to God or not...this is not my job to judge.

so you are lying when you say I do not give him credit. And if you have to lie to make your points, then none of them are valid.

Actually "I don't know" means "I don't know." I never said you do not give Him credit, I just abstained from voting.

I will not argue with someone who lies and contradicts himself. Lies come from false teachers who Paul tells us are servants of the devil because the devil is the father of lies. I am therefore placing you on my ignore list.

Hey, that's your prerogative.

 

[Heidi]

Heidi has only ever given God the credit and glory for EVERYTHING! Including the things in her life! She doesn't even give credit for herself!!! To say otherwise is a direct lie!

God bless you, Merry. Without God I am nothing but a selfish sinner. And I literally owe him my life for everything he's done for me. I only wish I had the ability to do more. But I will never be as sinless as my Lord, but I also could never endure the incessant ridicule that he endures to this day. "To whom much is given, much is required."

 

[Lewis]

f we give credit to Mary for our salvation, then why not give to to Mary's mother for giving birth to her? After all, without Mary's mother, Mary could never have been born to give birth to Christ. And how about Mary's grandmother without whom we wouldn't have Mary's mother or Mary or Christ! So since the catholics give credit to Mary for Christ's deeds, then why not make idols and statues of all of Mary's ancestors, without whom, according to catholics, Christ never would have been born?

Good post,

 

[Heidi]

f we give credit to Mary for our salvation, then why not give to to Mary's mother for giving birth to her? After all, without Mary's mother, Mary could never have been born to give birth to Christ. And how about Mary's grandmother without whom we wouldn't have Mary's mother or Mary or Christ! So since the catholics give credit to Mary for Christ's deeds, then why not make idols and statues of all of Mary's ancestors, without whom, according to catholics, Christ never would have been born?

Good post,

God bless you. :D