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[_ Old Earth _] God particle

If the Higgs boson turns out to be real, then a theory of everything is a feasible goal. But it isn't the answer; it's just the door to the room in which a massive puzzle is to be found.

And then it's time to solve the puzzle. But a huge discovery, if it's true.

I don't see any real implications for Christianity, except to increase my awe at the sort of God capable of making a universe like ours from a few simple rules (or maybe just one) from which all other things formed.
 
Grazer said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-18702455

Scientists are claiming that they have found the Higgs-Boson and getting very excited about it.

What does this discovery mean for physics and Christianity?
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Yes I saw the news article. It sure got a lot of evolutionists bent out of shape. I'll have to read up on it to comment. Must be really problematic for the evolutionists if it got so many of them Royally miffed.
 
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Yes there sure is a lot of ANGER out there. It is quite amazing how these evolutionists get all bent out of shape. God could be staring at them in the face and they just won't acknowledge it. Reminds me of Romans 1:19-20;
19 because what can be known about God is plain to them, for God has revealed it to them. 20 Ever since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes, that is, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made. So they are without excuse.
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Seems they are fighting a bigger force than the media and Christians. They are fighting God Himself. :o
 
Grazer said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-18702455

Scientists are claiming that they have found the Higgs-Boson and getting very excited about it.
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A friend has this to say: ... I will state here that I am highly suspicious of the Higgs bosun results given the manner in which this was rushed to press instead of to expert referees and valid duplication experiments first.

Another friend says: /sigh More science by press conference.
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I'll believe it when it is independently confirmed by a group that doesn't hold a press conference.

What does this discovery mean for physics and Christianity?
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Again, I suspect there is not a concrete discovery here. But let's assume there turns out to be a CONCRETE discovery here than can be duplicated and demonstrated.

The implications for physics are quite astounding, but so was the discovery of the atom, electrons, protons and quarks. In the end, it impacts physics, but I don't readily see any great impact on the individual. Sure makes for sensational headlines when they call it "The God Particle", doesn't it? Kinda makes the gullible think that science will have to admit to the existence of God, doesn't it?

Well, if you believe that, you REALLY are listening to the wrong people!


For Christianity: No impact what so ever. My faith is not made stronger or weaker, niether should yours be. If THIS impacts your faith, then science, for you, is a dangerous pursuit. (Not YOU specifically, but you get the idea.)
 
I wrote a small piece on the discovery and the implications for Christianity. Amateur but its mine
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And well done, at that. I think you have it exactly right.

The biggest impact of the Higgs boson would be that uniformitarianism gets another boost. This would be the most convincing evidence that the universe is knowable, and that the rules have been the same since it began.

It would not, of course, be any threat to traditional Christianity, and it wouldn't affect biology at all, although YE creationism would take another hit.
 
Stan53 said:
Yes I saw the news article. It sure got a lot of evolutionists bent out of shape. I'll have to read up on it to comment. Must be really problematic for the evolutionists if it got so many of them Royally miffed.
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How on earth does the Higgs-Boson particle trouble evolutionary science?
 
I think some people were taken in by the fact that some call it the "God particle."

It was a sort of ironic term, and it neither confirms nor refutes God.
 
"The God particle" is an annoying nickname for the higgs boson. The higgs boson is responsible for giving particles rest mass their rest mass (intrinsic rest mass). It's a boson because it has an integer spin (fermion have half integer spins), in this case, spin 0, also making it a scalar boson. The higgs explains why some particles have mass, and other don't. Particles that interact with the higgs field acquire intrinsic mass, those that don't, such as photons, are massless.

This finding has no bearing on evolution, Christianity, or God. It is an exciting discovery because particle physicists predicted its existence and have been looking for it for some time.
 
Ask them! They are the ones who are getting made about all the media coverage.
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Can you name me a biologist who is getting "made" (mad?) about the media coverage?

Don't know of any. I know there are some physicists who are skeptical. But none of them seem angry.
 
hadron said:
"The God particle" is an annoying nickname for the higgs boson.

This finding has no bearing on evolution, Christianity, or God. It is an exciting discovery because particle physicists predicted its existence and have been looking for it for some time.
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+1 :thumbsup
 
Stan53 said:
Yes there sure is a lot of ANGER out there. It is quite amazing how these evolutionists get all bent out of shape. God could be staring at them in the face and they just won't acknowledge it. Reminds me of Romans 1:19-20;
19 because what can be known about God is plain to them, for God has revealed it to them. 20 Ever since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes, that is, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made. So they are without excuse.
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Seems they are fighting a bigger force than the media and Christians. They are fighting God Himself. :o
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The heck you talking about? Evolution is not contigent on the Higgs.
 
Barbarian said:
If the Higgs boson turns out to be real, then a theory of everything is a feasible goal. But it isn't the answer; it's just the door to the room in which a massive puzzle is to be found.

And then it's time to solve the puzzle. But a huge discovery, if it's true.

I don't see any real implications for Christianity, except to increase my awe at the sort of God capable of making a universe like ours from a few simple rules (or maybe just one) from which all other things formed.
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I think that they have merely seen the transmutation of a Cesium ion that has the mass of 133, and is the only stable element at that atomic weight:

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The discovery will come, and it have religious significance to the Jewish Kabbalahists. It will complete the analogy between the 22 letters of the Hebrew Alphabet and the prediction of 22 elemental particles used in the Creation of the Universe from raw Energy:




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