God's word in english is true

[littlelight]

You should learn to back your statements from Scripture or gospels or teachings of apostles / disciples.

You said: "The first step in humility is to admit that there is a God and you are not Him. That is Satan's mistake. Adam wanted to be God and it led to his downfall."

(James 2:19) You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!

Neither Satan nor Eve (that's not Adam) wanted to be God but to be "like God".

Just because demons believe in one God and they are not God, if this is humility, then what is the difference between your's and a demon's faith?

Don't have the guts to admit your falsehood even after the simple words spoken by Christ in John 15:2 ? Looks like you haven't even addressed it and replied an utterly unrelated nonsense.
Have foundation in Christ and then build over it using other's teachings, then you will not error.

Yes you are correct in they wanted to be like God. I made a mistake in my wording. Most non believers that I meet are atheist and don't believe in any God at all.




You said that the Demons believe in one God . Please support that by scripture.




There is a difference in believing in one God and believing there is one God.

 

[felix]

You said that the Demons believe in one God . Please support that by scripture.

(James 2:19) You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!
I already provided Scripture.

There is a difference in believing in one God and believing there is one God.

Yes, Muslims believe in one god too. so, what?

 

[littlelight]

You should learn to back your statements from Scripture or gospels or teachings of apostles / disciples.

You said: "The first step in humility is to admit that there is a God and you are not Him. That is Satan's mistake. Adam wanted to be God and it led to his downfall."

(James 2:19) You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!

Neither Satan nor Eve (that's not Adam) wanted to be God but to be "like God".

Just because demons believe in one God and they are not God, if this is humility, then what is the difference between your's and a demon's faith?

Don't have the guts to admit your falsehood even after the simple words spoken by Christ in John 15:2 ? Looks like you haven't even addressed it and replied an utterly unrelated nonsense.
Have foundation in Christ and then build over it using other's teachings, then you will not error.

Jn 15 : 2 the Father cuts off every branch that does not bear fruit. The question is what does He do with the branch after it is cut off? The branch was in Jesus by verse 2 when it was cut off. Eph 1 : 13 if a branch is in Jesus ( in Whom) then Jesus is in the branch. 2 Tim 2 : 13 Jesus cannot deny Himself.




Ro 10: 13 anyone calling on Jesus will be saved. Calling on Jesus is up to you not God. As long as you call on His name He cannot drive you away or cast you into hell.




Since proof that Jn 6: 37b applies to gentiles is in the epistles. Jesus Himself said that He will never drive anyone away. A lot of Jews came to Jesus and He never drove any of them away. They left on their own because they did not believe in Him. They did not believe in Him because the Father Ro 11: 25 had blinded them. Mt 13: 13 Jesus spoke in parables so they could not see or hear. Not being able to see or hear the Jews rejected Jesus. He did not then or will He ever drive anyone away that calls on His name.




Jn 15 : 2 unfruitful believers are called to heaven.

 

[felix]

Jn 15 : 2 the Father cuts off every branch that does not bear fruit. The question is what does He do with the branch after it is cut off? The branch was in Jesus by verse 2 when it was cut off. Eph 1 : 13 if a branch is in Jesus ( in Whom) then Jesus is in the branch. 2 Tim 2 : 13 Jesus cannot deny Himself.

Ro 10: 13 anyone calling on Jesus will be saved. Calling on Jesus is up to you not God. As long as you call on His name He cannot drive you away or cast you into hell.

Since proof that Jn 6: 37b applies to gentiles is in the epistles. Jesus Himself said that He will never drive anyone away. A lot of Jews came to Jesus and He never drove any of them away. They left on their own because they did not believe in Him. They did not believe in Him because the Father Ro 11: 25 had blinded them. Mt 13: 13 Jesus spoke in parables so they could not see or hear. Not being able to see or hear the Jews rejected Jesus. He did not then or will He ever drive anyone away that calls on His name.

Jn 15 : 2 unfruitful believers are called to heaven.

Never try to twist esp. Word of Christ.

(Matt 7:19) Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

(Luke 13:6-9) He also spoke this parable: "A certain [man] had a fig tree planted in his vineyard, and he came seeking fruit on it and found none. Then he said to the keeper of his vineyard, 'Look, for three years I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree and find none. Cut it down; why does it use up the ground?' But he answered and said to him, 'Sir, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and fertilize [it.] And if it bears fruit, [well.] But if not, after that you can cut it down.'"

 

[littlelight]

Never try to twist esp. Word of Christ.

(Matt 7:19) Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

(Luke 13:6-9) He also spoke this parable: "A certain [man] had a fig tree planted in his vineyard, and he came seeking fruit on it and found none. Then he said to the keeper of his vineyard, 'Look, for three years I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree and find none. Cut it down; why does it use up the ground?' But he answered and said to him, 'Sir, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and fertilize [it.] And if it bears fruit, [well.] But if not, after that you can cut it down.'"

Matt 7: 15-19 Jesus is talking about false prophets and by implication false teachers. False prophets were teaching the people to follow their prophecy as words from God. The priesthood was full of false prophets. Rev 19: 10 the main purpose of the OT was pointing to Jesus.The priest, of Jesus' time, should have been pointing to Jesus. They were leading the nation of Israel to a path of destruction. He was also warning the Jews of false messiahs to come.







Lk 13: 6- 9 the fig tree was indeed cut down. Mk 11 : 13-21 Jesus went to the temple and as He was going He cursed the fig tree. When He came back the fig tree had withered from the roots. Within a week of Jesus cursing the fig tree Herod's temple was not a temple of God anymore. The roots of the temple and Jewish priesthood were done away with because God made a new covenant. 1 Cor3:17 the temple is in His believers hearts. 1Peter 2:9 we are His priests.




God chopped down that unfruitful tree with its laws written on stone and replaced it by the law of love written on our hearts. 2 Cor 5:21 as long as we are in Jesus we fulfill the law (Matt 5: 17) because we have His righteousness. Heb10 : 14 by His one sacrifice we have been made perfect forever as long as we are in Him.




It seems as though you are bound and determined to work you way into heaven. Matt 7:22 everyone coming to Jesus claiming works as their ticket to heaven will not enter. I know that I am saved because I believe God when He said Jn 3:16. I trust in Jesus for my salvation. Ro 4: 3 littlelight believes God and it is credited to him as righteousness.







You have not provided scripture for your statement that “ the demons believe in one God.The scripture you cited states that “ the demons believe there is one Godâ€. There is a big difference. If they believed in the one true God they would probably still be in heaven serving Him.

 

[felix]

Mk 11 : 13-21 Jesus went to the temple and as He was going He cursed the fig tree. When He came back the fig tree had withered from the roots. Within a week of Jesus cursing the fig tree Herod's temple was not a temple of God anymore. The roots of the temple and Jewish priesthood were done away with because God made a new covenant.

First of all, gospels doesn't say within a week but rather immediately as in Matt 21:19-20.
Secondly, Christ did not create a new covenant anytime before the day of His crucifixion.

God chopped down that unfruitful tree with its laws written on stone and replaced it by the law of love written on our hearts. 2 Cor 5:21 as long as we are in Jesus we fulfill the law (Matt 5: 17) because we have His righteousness. Heb10 : 14 by His one sacrifice we have been made perfect forever as long as we are in Him.

It seems as though you are bound and determined to work you way into heaven. Matt 7:22 everyone coming to Jesus claiming works as their ticket to heaven will not enter. I know that I am saved because I believe God when He said Jn 3:16. I trust in Jesus for my salvation. Ro 4: 3 littlelight believes God and it is credited to him as righteousness.

(Matt 5:20) For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds [the] [righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

Who told you, you can enter heaven without works ?

(John 14:21) He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him."
(John 14:23) Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.

Who told you that you are even loved by God if you don't keep His commandments?
Who told you that Christ is in you if you don't keep His Word?

Please read, http://www.churchsw.org/faith-and-works-in-salvation

Christ NEVER taught "faith only" doctrine.

You have not provided scripture for your statement that “ the demons believe in one God.The scripture you cited states that “ the demons believe there is one Godâ€. There is a big difference. If they believed in the one true God they would probably still be in heaven serving Him.

What made you think they don't believe in the One true God?

(Luke 8:31) And they begged Him that He would not command them to go out into the abyss.

 

[littlelight]

First of all, gospels doesn't say within a week but rather immediately as in Matt 21:19-20.
Secondly, Christ did not create a new covenant anytime before the day of His crucifixion.



(Matt 5:20) For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds [the] [righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

Who told you, you can enter heaven without works ?

(John 14:21) He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him."
(John 14:23) Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.

Who told you that you are even loved by God if you don't keep His commandments?
Who told you that Christ is in you if you don't keep His Word?

Please read, http://www.churchsw.org/faith-and-works-in-salvation

Christ NEVER taught "faith only" doctrine.



What made you think they don't believe in the One true God?

(Luke 8:31) And they begged Him that He would not command them to go out into the abyss.

Matt 21 : 1 is the start of palm Sunday 5 days prior to Jesus' crucifixion. Matt 21 : 18 would have been the Monday after palm Sunday. Jn 19: 31 Jesus died on the Friday after palm Sunday. The Temple was still a temple of God until the new covenant which happened on Friday. Within a week of Jesus cursing the fig tree we had a new covenant with a new temple and priests. I think that you have made a mistake.




You seem to admire the scribes and Pharisees. Who told you that the scribes and Pharisees as a group had any righteousness at all? Theirs was certainly less than John the Baptists. Matt 11:11 John's was less than the least in the kingdom of God. So anyone in the kingdom of God is greater than the scribes and Pharisees.




Who told me I could get into heaven without works? Jn 6: 27-29 Jesus said that the only work I had to do was believe in Him.

 

[Guest]

God has given us over 30 versions of english translations with varying accuracy and each version has differant adheriants claiming their faviorate to be the most accurate. It has been my observation that most translations use differant words to arrive at the same truth. When they disagree there is usually a clear majority that agree in meaning. Most of the time where there are discrepencies it is not in passages that would cause a believer to have a serious misstep. Some translations have used differant manuscripts of the same gospel or epistle that have some verses added or deleted. Of those we are told what verses the oldest and most reliable manuscripts have.

man has given us over 30 versions but when jesus reveals himself to you as god of flesh, your believing and your faith is what separates a religious man from a prophet. man is the one who has created multiple versions and man is flawed. but there is only one faith and one salvation. salvation 1st - bible 2nd

The first step in humility is to admit that there is a God and you are not Him. That is Satan's mistake. Adam wanted to be God and it led to his downfall. When one believes Jn 3: 16 they have taken the first step toward humility. Ro 5 : 9 when one is in Christ they are justified. Only because they have the righteousness of Christ. Matt 11: 29 Christ was humble. If He was not then we do not meet the level of humility need to be righteous. Heb10 : 14 we do not need, for our eternal salvation, forgiveness for sins committed in Jesus. By one sacrifice He has, as far as the Father is concerned, sanctified us completely even while we are being sanctified. 1Jn 1: 8 we know that we sin but that is not counted as long as we are in Jesus. 1 Jn 1: 9 we have to confess those sins only for temporal reasons. 1Jn 1: 10 if we claim ( after being inHim) that we are sin free ( therefore we don't need Jesus) His word (Jn 1: 1) is not in us and we have lost salvation. Ro 8: 9 if we don't have the Spirit of Jesus in us we are not His. As long as we have His spirit we are His. Ro 10 : 13 everyone that calls on Jesus to save them are saved. 2 Tim 2 :13 as long as we are calling on Jesus to save us He cannot deny us and we are saved.

correct and very well said.

 

[felix]

Matt 21 : 1 is the start of palm Sunday 5 days prior to Jesus' crucifixion. Matt 21 : 18 would have been the Monday after palm Sunday. Jn 19: 31 Jesus died on the Friday after palm Sunday. The Temple was still a temple of God until the new covenant which happened on Friday. Within a week of Jesus cursing the fig tree we had a new covenant with a new temple and priests. I think that you have made a mistake.

No. There is no mistake. We are all kings and priests and we are the temple.

(1Cor 3:16) Do you not know that you are the temple of God and [that] the Spirit of God dwells in you?
(1Cor 3:17) If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which [temple] you are.

Do you notice that God will destroy the person who defiles where the Spirit of God dwells ?

You seem to admire the scribes and Pharisees. Who told you that the scribes and Pharisees as a group had any righteousness at all? Theirs was certainly less than John the Baptists. Matt 11:11 John's was less than the least in the kingdom of God. So anyone in the kingdom of God is greater than the scribes and Pharisees.

Who told me I could get into heaven without works? Jn 6: 27-29 Jesus said that the only work I had to do was believe in Him.

(John 12:46) I have come [as] a light into the world, that whoever believes in Me should not abide in darkness.

You don't believe in Him if you abide in darkness. By saying on "believing", I accept it only if it is a "living faith" which combines with work.

Otherwise,
(Jas 2:17) Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
(Jas 2:24) You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

 

[littlelight]

No. There is no mistake. We are all kings and priests and we are the temple.

(1Cor 3:16) Do you not know that you are the temple of God and [that] the Spirit of God dwells in you?
(1Cor 3:17) If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which [temple] you are.

Do you notice that God will destroy the person who defiles where the Spirit of God dwells ?



(John 12:46) I have come [as] a light into the world, that whoever believes in Me should not abide in darkness.

You don't believe in Him if you abide in darkness. By saying on "believing", I accept it only if it is a "living faith" which combines with work.

Otherwise,
(Jas 2:17) Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
(Jas 2:24) You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

Yes there was a mistake and you made it.




I didn't think you were humble enough to admit it.




I said that within a week of the fig tree event that the temple was not a temple of God and His believers were the temple and priests. You said that Jesus didn't create a new covenant before His death. You had no idea that the fig tree event was a couple of days prior to His death. Now you seem to be saying that I was wrong.

Lets set the record straight if we are to continue.

 

[felix]

Yes there was a mistake and you made it.

I didn't think you were humble enough to admit it.

I said that within a week of the fig tree event that the temple was not a temple of God and His believers were the temple and priests. You said that Jesus didn't create a new covenant before His death. You had no idea that the fig tree event was a couple of days prior to His death. Now you seem to be saying that I was wrong.

Lets set the record straight if we are to continue.

Not accepting a wrong idea does not mean I am not humble. Anyway, you never addressed any of the points I mentioned in my previous post.
Also, the fig tree event has absolutely nothing to do with Christ's events that followed. It is provided as a separate account.

 

[cyberjosh]

In regards to the OP, God's Word in particular is always true, even if translations of the original Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic words from the source manuscripts are not perfect in the target language (English, German, Farsi, Mandarin, French, Yiddish, etc.). Even in that case though we do not have the actual original documents/autographs, however we have actually discovered a significant amount of agreement between manuscripts to reconstruct a majority text/most likely reading (a comparative text made from the wording found among the majority of extant scriptural manuscripts) which comes close enough to the originals (as we can tell from very early copies).

In regards to language though and the truth of Scripture, the same can be said for the Bible in ANY language. In fact just two days ago I posted this as my status on Facebook:

"As I'm learning German I'm starting to read the Bible in German as well. Truth is truth, no matter what language it is in: "Ich bin der Weg und die Wahrheit und das Leben; niemand kommt zum Vater, denn durch mich" (Johannes 14:6)."

Also as far as "errors" in English or other language translations of the Bible, there is a difference between doctrinal error and translational error - neither of which reflect on the truthfulness of the original language autographs. It is mostly translational error that is more common as a result of incomplete knowledge of the original languages or of the exact meaning that is trying to be conveyed, and it does indeed happen. So in that sense English or other translations will be imperfect representations of the actual words in the original languages. Doctrinal error though would have to come from a more biased "translation" to make the words seem like they say something they do not necessarily convey in the original, in order to fit a theological viewpoint.

It is valid to seek the meaning of the actual words in the act of interpretation (this will ultimately be fruitless without the Holy Spirit's work however), but translation should be as faithful and as literal as possible. And while that is the best approach it still yet needs to be kept in mind that a translation should not be too wooden so as to make it incomprehensible, and that the translator can have warrant to change the idioms that are used accordingly into the target language, lest we think that the literal translation of Exodus 17:14, for example, indicates that God commanded Moses to put a scroll into Joshua's ear (the literal Hebrew idiom) whereas it actually means to transfer the scroll's contents (its words) to Joshua by telling/rehearsing it to him. It was the words and not the scroll itself that was intended to be the object to "enter his ear" and reside in his heart & mind.

Things being "lost in translation" certainly occur just as much for the Scriptures as anything else when it is translated, which really can only be remedied by learning the original languages for one's self (or if God were to reverse the confusion of our language at Babel - not likely to happen in this age anyway). However I do believe that most translations do not significantly change any doctrines because of any differences in translation. A person would still find the clear message of the necessity to repent of their sins, for which they should be justly and eternally condemned, and rather turn to have faith in Christ by the grace of God and follow Him in obedience if they want to have eternal life in any translation I think. So it really just depends on what angle you want to look at this issue from.

God Bless,
~Josh

 

[littlelight]

No. There is no mistake. We are all kings and priests and we are the temple.

(1Cor 3:16) Do you not know that you are the temple of God and [that] the Spirit of God dwells in you?
(1Cor 3:17) If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which [temple] you are.

Do you notice that God will destroy the person who defiles where the Spirit of God dwells ?



(John 12:46) I have come [as] a light into the world, that whoever believes in Me should not abide in darkness.

You don't believe in Him if you abide in darkness. By saying on "believing", I accept it only if it is a "living faith" which combines with work.

Otherwise,
(Jas 2:17) Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
(Jas 2:24) You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

My post that you made your error thatwe are now discussing:




Mk 11: 13-21 Jesus went to thetemple and as He was going He cursed the fig tree. When He came back the fig tree had withered from the roots. Within a week of Jesus cursing the fig tree Herod's temple was not a temple of God anymore.The roots of the temple and the Jewish priesthood were done away with because God made a new covenant. 1 cor 3: 17 the temple is in His believers hearts. 1 Peter 2:9 we are His priests.




You cited only the bold part and replied:



First of all, gospels doesn't say within a week but immediately as in Matt 21: 19-20.

Secondly Christ did not create a new covenant anytime before the day of His crucifixion.







My reply:




Matt 21: 1 is the start of palm Sunday 5 days prior to Jesus' crucifixion. Matt 21: 18 would have been the the Monday after palm Sunday. Jn 19:31 Jesus died the Friday after palm Sunday. The temple was still a temple of God until the new covenant which happened on Friday. Within a week of Jesus cursing the fig tree we had a new covenant with a new temple and priests. I think that you have made a mistake.




( It is very clear what I am addressing in my reply. I explained when the fig tree was cursed in relation to the crucifixion and new covenant. )




Your reply:




No there was no mistake. We are all kings and priest and we are the temple.




You have a clear pattern of deception in this exchange. You are trying to make it appear that I was disputing the fact that we are priests and the temple of God to cover your error. It is impossible to carry on a meaningful discussion with someone that distorts the truth.




Your actions clearly show that you do not practice what you preach.

 

[felix]

My post that you made your error thatwe are now discussing:

Mk 11: 13-21 Jesus went to thetemple and as He was going He cursed the fig tree. When He came back the fig tree had withered from the roots. Within a week of Jesus cursing the fig tree Herod's temple was not a temple of God anymore.The roots of the temple and the Jewish priesthood were done away with because God made a new covenant. 1 cor 3: 17 the temple is in His believers hearts. 1 Peter 2:9 we are His priests.

You cited only the bold part and replied:

First of all, gospels doesn't say within a week but immediately as in Matt 21: 19-20.
Secondly Christ did not create a new covenant anytime before the day of His crucifixion.


My reply:

Matt 21: 1 is the start of palm Sunday 5 days prior to Jesus' crucifixion. Matt 21: 18 would have been the the Monday after palm Sunday. Jn 19:31 Jesus died the Friday after palm Sunday. The temple was still a temple of God until the new covenant which happened on Friday. Within a week of Jesus cursing the fig tree we had a new covenant with a new temple and priests. I think that you have made a mistake.

( It is very clear what I am addressing in my reply. I explained when the fig tree was cursed in relation to the crucifixion and new covenant. )

I accept that i made a mistake that it is a week that I had to calculate based on the events.

Even then, cursing a tree has nothing to do with new covenant. If you think so, Christ cursed "several cities", and I can add within a year of cursing ... (whatever I want to add) ... if I had to use your logic.

 

[littlelight]

No. There is no mistake. We are all kings and priests and we are the temple.

(1Cor 3:16) Do you not know that you are the temple of God and [that] the Spirit of God dwells in you?
(1Cor 3:17) If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which [temple] you are.

Do you notice that God will destroy the person who defiles where the Spirit of God dwells ?



(John 12:46) I have come [as] a light into the world, that whoever believes in Me should not abide in darkness.

You don't believe in Him if you abide in darkness. By saying on "believing", I accept it only if it is a "living faith" which combines with work.

Otherwise,
(Jas 2:17) Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
(Jas 2:24) You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

Thank you

1Cor 3: 10 - 17 Paul is explaining that the foundation of the temple is Jesus (verse 11). The believer is free to use whatever to build on that foundation verses 12 - 15. If they use gold or silver ( works that glorify God) to build on the foundation those works will survive and pass into heaven. 1 Cor 5: 1-5 and 1 Cor 11:19 – 30 if they use wood or straw (works of the flesh) to build on the foundation those works will be burnt up and not pass into heaven. That is why there are no greedy, immoral, liars, drunkards or anything other than righteousness in heaven. Those works are burnt up and the only thing left are the works that glorify God. Jn 6: 29 if all the person did is confess Jesus (the foundation) that will be the only “work†that survives.




To destroy the temple is to destroy the base. If one denies Jesus by relying on their own works to get into heaven then that person has destroyed the base by replacing Jesus' work with their own works. That is why those in Gal 5: 2- 6 would have been alienated from Christ if they replaced Jesus' foundation and tried to build on their own works. That is why those in Heb 10:26 – 29 would have lost their salvation if they deliberately sinned by sacrificing animals for their sins because there is no sacrifice for sins other than Jesus. You can't have a Temple if you don't have a foundation. Verse 11 states what the foundation of the temple is.







Jn 12: 46 states that if we believe in Him should not stay in darkness. 2 Cor 4: 6 the Spirit of Jesus shines in our heart. He abides in our hearts as long as we do not deny Him .




James 2: 14-24 James is basing his argument on what he said in verse 19. Christians do not believe that there is one God. They , like Abraham and the rest listed, believe in the one true God. Gen 15 : 6 , Ro 4: 3 , Ro 4: 18 , Gal 3: 6 , Abraham believed God and he was righteous. James 2: 23 He built on that foundation and added to the temple. By Abraham working he did indeed keep his faith alive.




Heb 11: 1 to have faith you have to have hope and unseen things. Ro 8: 24-25 if one is in heaven they no longer hope for it. They are no longer certain of what they do not see because they see it. Therefore their faith is dead. I have already went thru the proof on unfruitful branches being called to heaven.




Heb 11:1 nothing is said about needing works to have faith. All we need is to be sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. We need to keep faith to be allowed to remain on earth and that only to bring glory to God.




Yes people prove their faith by works. God knows the heart. If in your heart you have faith you do not need to prove it to God by works. By working we will be nearer to God in heaven. If we have no works we will be in heaven but we will be rubbing elbows with the least in heaven. Don't give up being close to God for an eternity just for a brief satisfying the flesh here on earth.

 

[felix]

Thank you

1Cor 3: 10 - 17 Paul is explaining that the foundation of the temple is Jesus (verse 11). The believer is free to use whatever to build on that foundation verses 12 - 15. If they use gold or silver ( works that glorify God) to build on the foundation those works will survive and pass into heaven. 1 Cor 5: 1-5 and 1 Cor 11:19 – 30 if they use wood or straw (works of the flesh) to build on the foundation those works will be burnt up and not pass into heaven. That is why there are no greedy, immoral, liars, drunkards or anything other than righteousness in heaven. Those works are burnt up and the only thing left are the works that glorify God. Jn 6: 29 if all the person did is confess Jesus (the foundation) that will be the only “work” that survives.




To destroy the temple is to destroy the base. If one denies Jesus by relying on their own works to get into heaven then that person has destroyed the base by replacing Jesus' work with their own works. That is why those in Gal 5: 2- 6 would have been alienated from Christ if they replaced Jesus' foundation and tried to build on their own works. That is why those in Heb 10:26 – 29 would have lost their salvation if they deliberately sinned by sacrificing animals for their sins because there is no sacrifice for sins other than Jesus. You can't have a Temple if you don't have a foundation. Verse 11 states what the foundation of the temple is.







Jn 12: 46 states that if we believe in Him should not stay in darkness. 2 Cor 4: 6 the Spirit of Jesus shines in our heart. He abides in our hearts as long as we do not deny Him .




James 2: 14-24 James is basing his argument on what he said in verse 19. Christians do not believe that there is one God. They , like Abraham and the rest listed, believe in the one true God. Gen 15 : 6 , Ro 4: 3 , Ro 4: 18 , Gal 3: 6 , Abraham believed God and he was righteous. James 2: 23 He built on that foundation and added to the temple. By Abraham working he did indeed keep his faith alive.




Heb 11: 1 to have faith you have to have hope and unseen things. Ro 8: 24-25 if one is in heaven they no longer hope for it. They are no longer certain of what they do not see because they see it. Therefore their faith is dead. I have already went thru the proof on unfruitful branches being called to heaven.




Heb 11:1 nothing is said about needing works to have faith. All we need is to be sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. We need to keep faith to be allowed to remain on earth and that only to bring glory to God.




Yes people prove their faith by works. God knows the heart. If in your heart you have faith you do not need to prove it to God by works. By working we will be nearer to God in heaven. If we have no works we will be in heaven but we will be rubbing elbows with the least in heaven. Don't give up being close to God for an eternity just for a brief satisfying the flesh here on earth.

I already addressed this earlier mentioned through this blog: http://www.churchsw.org/faith-and-works-in-salvation

 

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Felix

see below. i made a mistake

 

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I have no idea how I erased the verse referances


felix





Jn 21: 15-19 Peter was authorized by Jesus to be the or a leader of His church. Acts 2: 1-4 he was filled with the Spirit. Acts 10: 1- 48 he was sent by God to evangelize the gentiles. Peter being taught by God would know what qualified as scripture. As a preacher, teacher and evangelist he would tell the church what qualified as God's word ( scripture).




On page 2 of this topic on 12-18-2012 @06:56 you cite 2Peter 3: 14-16. You did not qualify any part of it as untrue.




2 Peter 3: 16 Peter qualifies Paul's letters as scripture. Verse 16 states that Paul's writings are distorted as well as other scripture. Peter in a letter to a church would not lie to them about so basic a mater as scripture. Peter was not referring to doctrine. Peter was not talking to them of something that could not easily be explained. He is telling the church where they could go to get the truth.




Peter also states in verse 15 that Paul has God given wisdom. He is not referring to physics , economics,science, medicine, mathematics or some other area of study. He is talking about wisdom in spiritual matters. Paul knows what he is talking about in spiritual matters.




So we can take it that Paul's letters are the only ones in the new testament on par with those you cite as scripture. Or possibly or you can take it that only Jesus' words ,Paul's epistles and the OT are true. Either way Paul is in as scripture.




Scripture cannot disagree with other scripture. The epistles are true but the meaning has to be distorted for them to be used wrong. If I use a scripture it is upon you to show the distortion. In other words; you must show how the verse has been misused, word meaning changed or used out of context. You cannot say that this disagrees with what Jesus said because scripture always agrees no matter which person wrote it. It is a misunderstanding on the part of the reader if they think there is a mistake.




Ro 4: 2 Paul says if, in fact, Abraham was justified by works he could brag. Paul is talking about works apart from the law because the law was not given to Abraham. Ro4: 4-6 wages are given for works ( it does not say works of the law it says works ) but Ro 6: 23 the gift of God is eternal life. As it says in verse 4 if its works its not a gift. Heb6: 18 it is impossible for God to lie, if He says that He gives us a gift of eternal salvation there is no work involved.




Jn 6 : 28-29 They asked “what must we do to do the works God requires.†The question is a perfect lead in if we are required to do any works for eternal life. Jesus would or could have used their words and given the required works we would have to do. Example:




“To do the works God requires†you must first believe in me and do the things I teach.




If he did not use their question in His answer it could have been phrased as:




You must first believe in me then do the works of God that I have taught.




Both of the above Jesus could have said if we are required to do works. The meaning could not have been more clear.




He did not do the above because they asked the wrong question. It is the wrong question because God requires only one work.




However, it is also the perfect question to demonstrate their error. It clearly demonstrates the grace of God and it separates works from work . The Jews were under the impression that God required a person to do works to get into heaven. When Jesus answered their question He gave them one work that God requires for a person to get eternal life. Jn 6: 29 the one and only work God requires for eternal life is to believe in Jesus. Jesus taught a faith based salvation. It is written in red letters.

 

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In addition to the above post







Father: Dt 18: 19 the words of God are Jn 3:16 whoever believes in His Son will have eternal life. The Father's witness.




Son: Jn 12: 48-49 those that reject Jesus will be judged on the last day. Most versions say those that reject Me and My words. Either way it the same because His words are Jn 11: 25-26. The last day judgment is for non believers. The Son's witness.




Holy Spirit: Jn 16: 8-9 The Holy Spirit convicts men of sin because they do not believe in Jesus. A believer need not worry. The Holy Spirit's witness.







The above are all red letter and comprise the totality of God. All witness to belief as the final judgment criteria to enter into heaven. The testimony of at least two establish the truth. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three and their witness is in agreement. All who believe in Jesus will live.




Scripture: Your theory on scripture has already been show to be wrong in the above post. Paul's letters are considered to be scripture.




Doctrine: Since your theory on scriptures is wrong and Paul's letters are scripture then doctrine can be determined from by Paul's writings.




Your theory is wrong.

 

[felix]

Except you refuse to believe Christ's words:

(John 12:46) I have come [as] a light into the world, that whoever believes in Me should not abide in darkness.
(John 15:2) Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every [branch] that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.

Do you think John is an idiot to write something and not explain? Or Christ will ask you to believe and not explain what it means?
How is that the christ you are referrfing to contradicts the "Christ's sermon on the Mount"?

Also, Paul was referring other scripture as LXX as most of the quotes are from it and it is used as Scripture by Jews (and Gentiles) who know only Greek.

Paul is not writing a book, nor it is a prophecy, neither it is addressed to all believers. But a letter to a specific group of believers. You can even consider whatever [deleted by staff] as scripture but that does not make everything you consider will become scripture.