God's word in english is true

[littlelight]

Except you refuse to believe Christ's words:

(John 12:46) I have come [as] a light into the world, that whoever believes in Me should not abide in darkness.
(John 15:2) Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every [branch] that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.

Do you think John is an idiot to write something and not explain? Or Christ will ask you to believe and not explain what it means?
How is that the christ you are referrfing to contradicts the "Christ's sermon on the Mount"?

Also, Paul was referring other scripture as LXX as most of the quotes are from it and it is used as Scripture by Jews (and Gentiles) who know only Greek.

Paul is not writing a book, nor it is a prophecy, neither it is addressed to all believers. But a letter to a specific group of believers. You can even consider whatever [deleted by staff]as scripture but that does not make everything you consider will become scripture.

You did not address any of my points. I cited the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and you disregard it all. Then you tell me I refuse to believe.


If we live in Him we live in the light. He can cure us of everything if we believe.


You cite Jn 15: 2 and I guess you are still saying that Jesus can deny Himself which goes against 2 Tim2:13.


Christ does not have to explain that “believe” and obey do not mean the same thing. Believe (Pisteuo)

to have faith ( in, upon, or with respect to a, person or thing) i.e. credit; by implication, to entrust (especially ones spiritual well-being to Christ).

Nothing about obey or work in the defination of believe.

Christ wants us to live up to and strive to act according to the sermon on the mount. He does not require us to because God's gift is eternal life thru Christ.




Apparently you think that Peter was not smart enough to read Paul's letters and determine that Paul,according to you, used a version of the OT that is not scriptural.




Then you get nasty and insult Peter by calling what he cited as scripture XXXXX. I called it scripture because Peter did. I do not determine on my own what scripture is. However you are not afraid to say Peter doesn't know what he is talking about.




You are not only insulting Peter but a brother by your nasty accusations. I will ask you to please keep your unchristian attitude and remarks to yourself.




Please refrain from ever posting any replies to me or any subject that I may start in the future. You seem to be trying to bait me to act as you do.

 

[felix]

You did not address any of my points. I cited the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and you disregard it all. Then you tell me I refuse to believe.


If we live in Him we live in the light. He can cure us of everything if we believe.


You cite Jn 15: 2 and I guess you are still saying that Jesus can deny Himself which goes against 2 Tim2:13.


Christ does not have to explain that “believe” and obey do not mean the same thing. Believe (Pisteuo)

to have faith ( in, upon, or with respect to a, person or thing) i.e. credit; by implication, to entrust (especially ones spiritual well-being to Christ).

Nothing about obey or work in the defination of believe.

Christ wants us to live up to and strive to act according to the sermon on the mount. He does not require us to because God's gift is eternal life thru Christ.




Apparently you think that Peter was not smart enough to read Paul's letters and determine that Paul,according to you, used a version of the OT that is not scriptural.




Then you get nasty and insult Peter by calling what he cited as scripture XXXXX. I called it scripture because Peter did. I do not determine on my own what scripture is. However you are not afraid to say Peter doesn't know what he is talking about.




You are not only insulting Peter but a brother by your nasty accusations. I will ask you to please keep your unchristian attitude and remarks to yourself.




Please refrain from ever posting any replies to me or any subject that I may start in the future. You seem to be trying to bait me to act as you do.

• Father: Dt 18: 19 the words of God are Jn 3:16 whoever believes in His Son will have eternal life. The Father's witness.
• Son: Jn 12: 48-49 those that reject Jesus will be judged on the last day. Most versions say those that reject Me and My words. Either way it the same because His words are Jn 11: 25-26. The last day judgment is for non believers. The Son's witness.
• Holy Spirit: Jn 16: 8-9 The Holy Spirit convicts men of sin because they do not believe in Jesus. A believer need not worry. The Holy Spirit's witness.

Yes, I did address very well and you do not want to believe. Father, Son, Holy Spirit you to believe in Christ's words

(John 12:46) I have come [as] a light into the world, that whoever believes in Me should not abide in darkness.
(John 15:2) Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every [branch] that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.

And, you refuse to believe in His Words.

 

[WIP]

Let's stay on topic.

 

[littlelight]

Jn 3:14 the serpent event as recorded in Num 21: 9-10 is an example of our salvation. There was no work involved in believing God and looking at the serpent. All they had to do was believe and look to the serpent. Jn 6:40 all we do is look to Jesus. Our obedience comes from looking as we are told to do. The only thing that we have to obey is looking to Jesus. Salvation is by faith. Jesus did the work for us.




Jn 15:2 is a dividing line for some doctrines. It clearly states if a branch in Jesus does not produce fruit it is cut off.




The works doctrine:




If one believes that works are required then the branch has to be thrown in the fire (hell). 1Tim 2: 13 clearly states if we don't work ( are Faithless by implication disobedient) Jesus cannot deny Himself.




The works doctrine also denies salvation by faith. Then they are denying Jn 3:16, Jn 3:14, Ro 3:24,o 4: 13-17, Ro 6: 23, Eph 2: 8 and many more. Jn 3:16 & Jn 6: 29 it is also denying the witness of the Father, Jn 11: 25-26 the Son and Jn 16: 7-9 the Holy Spirit Spirit.




Salvation by faith does not deny the truth of all verses which tell us to obey or do works. God wants and expects His children to act like Jesus. But He does not expect works to the point of requiring them for salvation. If works are required then salvation is not a gift.




The salvation by faith only if that faith produces works doctrine:




They have to change the meaning of Jn15: 2 to support their doctrine. They cannot abide by someone being in Jesus without the kind of faith that produces works. Matt 13:24-30 it seems as though Jesus already has a plan for unbelievers claiming to be saved.




They also have to add to God's word. We are saved by faith only if that faith produces works.

 

[littlelight]

Nu 24: 9 , Matt 10:40-42 and Mark 9:41 all promise blessings for people who bless God's chosen people. I have no doubt that God blesses these people in this life. But when God tells you that He'll bless you, He goes big.







Matt 25: 31-46 shows how God's blessing will be fulfilled. This white throne judgment is at the end of the millennial reign of Jesus. Some have claimed that this judgment is to determine who the people are after the tribulation that enter into the millennial age. As I have explained before on this post. Those that are around after the tribulation have not reached the age of accountability. Num 14: 20- 30 and Dt 1: 30-40 the best evidence is that may be 20 years of age.




The difference between those who are written in the book of life at the white throne judgment and His bride:

1. Rev 21: 26 they are part of the nations. Ro 8: 23 we are family.
2. Matt 25: 34 theirs is an earthly kingdom. They live outside the gate. 2 Cor 5: 2-4 and Eph 1: 1-3 ours is heavenly. We live in the city.
3. Rev 22: 1-3 their body needs healing. 1Cor 15:40-44 and Phil 3:20-21 ours is imperishable.
4. Rev 21: 24 the nations walk by the light coming from the city. Rev 22: 5 we get our light directly from God.
5. Rev 20: 12 their name was in the book of life, Jn 5: 26-27 their life is in the Father and Jesus judged them at the white throne . Jn 5: 26 and Rev 21: 27 our life is in Jesus.
6. Rev 21: 27 they cannot see the Father. Jn 14: 6 we see the Father.

Jn 3:18 some might claim that if we don't accept Jesus as Lord that we will burn in hell. Ro 2:14 maybe these people are who Paul is referring to. It might just also be that we Christians have not done a good job of representing Jesus. It could be said that even after Jesus came those who looked for Jesus in us never saw Him. They rejected what they saw in us and they did not reject Jesus.

 

[littlelight]

Heb 10


Heb 10: 1-9 he explains why Jesus was needed and cite OT scripture that referred to Him.


Heb10: 10 we are made holy forever by Jesus' one sacrifice. Nothing else need be done for our sins. They have been covered by the sacrifice of Jesus once for for all (of our sins).




Heb 10 :11 -13 he compares Jesus to the priests of the Levitical priesthood.




Heb 10: 14 he states again that Jesus' one sacrifice has purified us for eternity.




Heb 10: 15-17 he tells that this was fore told in the O.T. Verse 17 states that all sins we have committed or commit in the body are forgiven.




Heb 10:18 is, in my opinion, is a keypoint of the entire book of Hebrews. These messianic Jews wanted toreturn to animal sacrifice and the Levitical priest for forgiveness of their sins committed after accepting Jesus as their Lord and messiah. He is telling them in verse 18 that there is no other sacrifice
that is accepted or that can be given other than Jesus. It also means that all our sins are forgiven. They have been forgiven through Jesus' one sacrifice.




Heb 10: 19-25 they are encouraged to hold on. Verse 23 reaffirms that he is speaking to true believers.




Heb 10 :26 is another key point. The statement “If we deliberate keep on sinning†he is referring to the sin some of them have done. It is the sin he has been warning them about. Do not go to back to animal sacrifice for your sins. Jesus is the only way into heaven. If you try to work your way into heaven you have denied Jesus. Denying Jesus is the only way to lose our salvation.




Heb 10:26-31 again he reconfirms that he is speaking to true believers. Verse 29 treated as unholy the blood that sanctified him.




Heb 10:32-39 not only were they believers but they had been persecuted for their support of other believers. They had material possessions confiscated because of their belief. A Jew at that time did not falsely accept Jesus to improve their social or economic position. A Jew then as now gives up their old covenant status to accept their new covenant gifts. To them they lose their uniqueness and it seems they become part of what they despised in the OT. They lose their family and friends to become a messianic Jew. If you want to make the argument that the writer was warning non-believing Jews then the entire argument does not apply to them because unbelievers have not been sanctified as they do not believe.

 

[littlelight]

Faith




Heb 11: 1 faith is being sure of what we hope for certain of what we do not see. Heb 11: 6 without faith we cannot please God. We must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him. Ps 14:2-3 , Ro 3: 11 no one understands and seeks God. Most people read this to mean that no one seeks God. That is not what it says. It says “no one understands, no one seeks Godâ€. No one understood God and everyone sought after the God of their understanding. Everyone sought after a God that required them work for salvation. No one sought after a God that loved them enough to pay their way into heaven. Acts 15: 17 we did not seek God He showed Himself to us.




Back to Heb 11:6 do we have to please God to receive eternal life? Jn 1: 12, Jn 3: 16 and Jn 6: 26-29 by these all we have to do is believe. Does belief please God? 1 Cor 1: 21 God is pleased to save those who believe.




Belief in Jesus is the only thing required for eternal life.

 

[littlelight]

Gen 1: 1 , Heb 11: 3 God spoke and everything came into being.




Couldn't He get a good translation of His word into the hands of His children?




Gen 11: 5-9, Num 22: 28-30 God created every language and could make a donkey talk.




Couldn't He get a good translation of His word into the hands of His children?




Matt 6: 25-27 He feeds the birds.




Couldn't He get spiritual food into the hands of those He loves?




Dan 3: 19- 26 God could save Shadrach,Meshach and Abednego from a flaming furnace.




Couldn't He save some true copies of the epistles?




Matt 20: 28 God loved us enough to give Jesus to die for us.




Didn't He love us enough to give us a good copy of His word?




Gal 2: 11 even the best of God's children can be wrong even with the Spirit within them.




Did He have to rely on the word of mouth to get His word to us?




Matt 15: 3-9 Jesus never ceased to warn the Jews because their experts changed the meaning of God's word.




I have often heard that if we don't learn from the past we are condemned to repeat the same mistakes. Yet we are to believe that God still chose to work through experts after what happened to the Jews and in light of Gal 2: 11 above.




Our generation is just like the generation of Jesus' first coming.

 

[farouk]

l:

I don't quite understand the point you are making.

If you are using these Scriptures to 'prove' that a particular translation is without error, then this is to turn it into something that, in practical terms, has precedence over the original.

 

[Ebed]

Hebrew is the Pure Language

One hundred sixty three = 261 <> 163 is the first number spelled out that equals 261

The united states of america 261

The Heaven departed as a Scroll 261 exact phrase 1x Rev 6:14

20601 bohemian ave ( Address Bohemian Grove -Idea to make Atomic BOMB)

It was without number 261 The wise shall understand 261

Ye shall make you no idols 261

20191st vs. 1244th vs. Jeremiah 50:24

I Have Laid a snare for thee 206
and 19
thou art also taken 201 O babylon 86
and 19
thou wast not aware 224 thou art found 163
and 19
also caught because 163
thou hast striven 219
against the LORD 153 = 1472 <> 5315

The nobel peace prize for 224 barack hussein obama 163 Tishri twenty one 224

thou art found in Hebrew = נמצאת 581 five hundred eighty one = 224

multiplicative adverb = 224

October ninth two thousand nine = 345 10/09/2009 = Tishri Twenty One - The Seventh Day of Sukkot - this Day 86

Genesis fourteen - eight = 231 Revelation six - two =231

345th vs. Genesis 14:8 And "there went out" "the king of sodom", and "the king of gomorrah", and "the king of admah", and "the king of zeboiim", and "the king of bela", "the same is zoar, and "they joined battle "with them in""the vale of siddim. 1665 <> 3123

Revelation 6:2 And I saw, and behold 'a white horse' and 'he that sat on him had' 'a bow and a crown was given unto him and 'he went forth conquering and to conquer. = 1225 <> 10395

Total gematria of president's remarks for the acceptance of the nobel peace prize = 23166:2

231662 / 31102 total verses = 7.44845990611536:2

31102 x 7 = 217714

231662 - 217714 = 13948th vs. Psalms 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and "the rulers take counsel together "against the LORD 153", and against HIS Anointed 189, saying > 1176 <> 1972

One hundred eighty nine 224

Your Majesties, Your Royal Highnesses , distinguished members 223 of the Norwegian Nobel Committee, citizens of America 176, and 'citizens of the world 231

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Like burning coals of fire 231 The mother of all living 231

The former of all things 231 Which also beareth fruit 231

The nations of the earth 231 The Words are closed up 231

The seven last plagues 231 The hindermost nation 231

The statue of liberty 231 Fourteen generations 231

The 231 Gates of the Sepher Yetzirah

The north country 224 8 exact phrases (Jer 6:22 - Zec 6:8) Jer 50:9

The habitation of devils 224 1 exact phrase (Rev 18:2)

And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

It shall never be inhabited 224 1 exact phrase (Isa 13:20)

It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation: neither shall the Arabian pitch tent there; neither shall the shepherds make their fold there.

sin = 42 - 24 Mirror gate > the second word that equals 24 in Hebrew ואיבה translated Enmity Gen 3:15 the first word is{Come in Gen 2:22 Full Text Hebrew/Greek Bible Gematria Database

T 20
O 15
R 18
A 1
H 8 = 62 - 2+1+5+1+8+1+8 = 26

Shalom Mishpochah

 

[felix]

Hebrew is the Pure Language

If Hebrew is the pure language,

• Why are the people today use a different script compared to the one which God wrote the 10 commandments on 2 tablets?
• Why is that the script and the oldest inscriptions found in Israel about the time of king David was found in Proto-Canaanite script and not Hebrew script?
• Even if Hebrew is a pure language, why is that today's Hebrew scholars doesn't know the meanings of several words in their own language?
• Why did Hebrew required vowels after 2500 years? Even if they did pass on phonetics as oral tradictions correctly, why is there several vowel variations within the OT itself for the name of the Lord, YHWH?

The word used for Hebrew is not once used to refer a language or a tongue. It's usage is only to refer a group of people descendants of Eber.

(Genesis 10:21-25) And [children] were born also to Shem, the father of all the children of Eber, the brother of Japheth the elder. The sons of Shem [were] Elam, Asshur, Arphaxad, Lud, and Aram. The sons of Aram [were] Uz, Hul, Gether, and Mash. Arphaxad begot Salah, and Salah begot Eber. To Eber were born two sons: the name of one [was] Peleg, for in his days the earth was divided; and his brother's name [was] Joktan.

The languages were split in Babel when Peleg was born to Eber, who is the great-great grandfather of Hebrews.

It is true that other descendants of Eber apart from Abraham spoke the same language as Hebrews. However, the other descendants were not referred as Hebrews but Syrians, but Abraham was referred as Hebrews.

(Genesis 14:13) Then one who had escaped came and told Abram the Hebrew, for he dwelt by the terebinth trees of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol and brother of Aner; and they [were] allies with Abram.
(Genesis 25:20) Isaac was forty years old when he took Rebekah as wife, the daughter of Bethuel the Syrian of Padan Aram, the sister of Laban the Syrian.

While Abraham became a Hebrew based on descendants of Eber, Laban who is Abraham's brother's son was referred as Syrian by the place of his dwelling.

Hence, Hebrew is not even a language. Also, today's so called Hebrew language is not the same language used by Abraham, Moses or even David, but a derived form of Aramaic only after 6th century BC as there are undisputed references to Aramaic even in the law.

EDIT:

In addition to the above,
(2 Kings 18:26) Then Eliakim the son of Hilkiah, Shebna, and Joah said to [the] Rabshakeh, "Please speak to your servants in Aramaic, for we understand [it;] and do not speak to us in Hebrew (Yhuwdiyth) in the hearing of the people who [are] on the wall."

In 701 BCE, Hebrews spoke "Yhuwdiyth" and the Syrians spoke "Aramiyth" (Aramiac). Just like English today, Aramiac became the international language from 8th century in middleeast.

 

[Ebed]

If Hebrew is the pure language,

• Why are the people today use a different script compared to the one which God wrote the 10 commandments on 2 tablets?
• Why is that the script and the oldest inscriptions found in Israel about the time of king David was found in Proto-Canaanite script and not Hebrew script?
• Even if Hebrew is a pure language, why is that today's Hebrew scholars doesn't know the meanings of several words in their own language?
• Why did Hebrew required vowels after 2500 years? Even if they did pass on phonetics as oral tradictions correctly, why is there several vowel variations within the OT itself for the name of the Lord, YHWH?

The word used for Hebrew is not once used to refer a language or a tongue. It's usage is only to refer a group of people descendants of Eber.

(Genesis 10:21-25) And [children] were born also to Shem, the father of all the children of Eber, the brother of Japheth the elder. The sons of Shem [were] Elam, Asshur, Arphaxad, Lud, and Aram. The sons of Aram [were] Uz, Hul, Gether, and Mash. Arphaxad begot Salah, and Salah begot Eber. To Eber were born two sons: the name of one [was] Peleg, for in his days the earth was divided; and his brother's name [was] Joktan.

The languages were split in Babel when Peleg was born to Eber, who is the great-great grandfather of Hebrews.

It is true that other descendants of Eber apart from Abraham spoke the same language as Hebrews. However, the other descendants were not referred as Hebrews but Syrians, but Abraham was referred as Hebrews.

(Genesis 14:13) Then one who had escaped came and told Abram the Hebrew, for he dwelt by the terebinth trees of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol and brother of Aner; and they [were] allies with Abram.
(Genesis 25:20) Isaac was forty years old when he took Rebekah as wife, the daughter of Bethuel the Syrian of Padan Aram, the sister of Laban the Syrian.

While Abraham became a Hebrew based on descendants of Eber, Laban who is Abraham's brother's son was referred as Syrian by the place of his dwelling.

Hence, Hebrew is not even a language. Also, today's so called Hebrew language is not the same language used by Abraham, Moses or even David, but a derived form of Aramaic only after 6th century BC as there are undisputed references to Aramaic even in the law.

EDIT:

In addition to the above,
(2 Kings 18:26) Then Eliakim the son of Hilkiah, Shebna, and Joah said to [the] Rabshakeh, "Please speak to your servants in Aramaic, for we understand [it;] and do not speak to us in Hebrew (Yhuwdiyth) in the hearing of the people who [are] on the wall."

In 701 BCE, Hebrews spoke "Yhuwdiyth" and the Syrians spoke "Aramiyth" (Aramiac). Just like English today, Aramiac became the international language from 8th century in middleeast.

In the Hebrew Scriptures the Only verse that has All 22 letters and the 5 final forms is Zephaniah 3:8

Zephaniah 3:9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of YAHUWAH, to serve Him with one consent.

Acts 26:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou Me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.


The Words spoken by Elohiym to create the Universe were in Hebrew

http://www.christianforums.com/t7710896-3/#post62233662

 

[felix]

In the Hebrew Scriptures the Only verse that has All 22 letters and the 5 final forms is Zephaniah 3:8

Zephaniah 3:9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of YAHUWAH, to serve Him with one consent.

Acts 26:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou Me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.


The Words spoken by Elohiym to create the Universe were in Hebrew

http://www.christianforums.com/t7710896-3/#post62233662

Does it really matter if Zephaniah 3:8 has 22 letters and 5 final forms when the script itself is borrowed from Aramaic ? The oldest known OT manuscript is atleast a 1000 yrs after Moses wrote the law. There is no known Hebrew script before 6-7th century BC in any inscriptions etc. Before this period, there was only Proto-Canaanite script.

Bible itself refers to the language of Jews as Yhuwdiyth as in (2 Kings 18:26) and not Hebrew.

If Zephaniah 3:9 is true, then the story of Babel is a lie because, it implies God maintained one pure language and did not confuse altogether. The correct translations are present in literal versions like YLT,
(Zephaniah 3:9) For then do I turn unto peoples a pure lip, To call all of them by the name of Jehovah, To serve Him [with] one shoulder.

Also, how do you know that the name of the lord is 'YAHUWAH' when the old testament is written without vowels and contains only YHWH ? The vowels were included just in 1000 AD ?

Does it matter if Jesus spoke in Hebrew to Paul? Jesus can speak in any language to his believers. He spoke in Aramaic at many occasions while he walked on this earth.

The Words spoken by Elohiym to create the Universe were in Hebrew is absolute rubbish. Also, Adam spoke his own language and God only confused the Adam's language and did not create/add any new pure language called Hebrew. God doesn't require any language. Neither do angels had to learn any language to deliver a message. If Christ is the Word of God, does it mean he is a wave vibrating in the air?

 

[Grazer]

Which ending of Mark's gospel is true?

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[littlelight]

Which ending of Mark's gospel is true?

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Mk 16: 9-20 is one of the times that we have to see if what was said to the apostles also applies to us. All through Acts we read that most often times when the Apostles laid their hands on believers there were manifest gifts displayed. God did this for various reasons. Acts 8:14- 17 one of the reasons was so true believers would be identified. In acts 8 God proved that the Samaritans, who the Jews despised, were included in the new covenant. (Acts 21: 8 Philip was an evangelist (gifted by God) and knew the proper method to baptize.) To be baptized in the name of Jesus means you are saved. Look through acts and see whenever people were baptized it was done in the name of Jesus.




Acts 10: 34- 48 God by passed Peter to that show that the gentiles were also included in the new covenant.




So God used the manifest gifts to prove to the apostles who were saved in the new covenant. Not only did God use this to show who was included in the new covenant but this also showed who was excluded under the new covenant. The early Jews had a hard time weaning themselves from the old covenant priestly system.This is proven by the epistle to the Hebrews. The entire epistle is essentially warning those messianic Jews not to return to the Jewish Levitical priesthood and animal sacrifice for forgiveness of sins. Even with only true believers being in the church it was hard to keep the Judaizers from making new Christians obey the law of Moses. Imagine if a Levitical unsaved Priest were to infiltrate the new church and sway newly converted believers.




I am not saying that all early believers could do all listed in verses Mk 16: 17-18. But there is proof most early believers could at least one of the items except drink deadly poison. In no way am I saying that the early church used any but the display of the manifest gifts to determine true believers. They did not make anyone drink poison or handle snakes.




So we all are baptized into Jesus and get His Spirit. Jn 14: 23 if the new believer obeys the first command (be baptized) the Father's Spirit will also indwell the believer.Therefore, every new believer is baptized into the name of the Father and Son. We do not show any outward signs to prove our salvation. If God grants , as in acts 10, some may still be baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.




Gods new church got off to a good start. If we believe God's word we can still be pleasing to God.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

God's word is true, period. Translations are translations. Not inspired. The original autographs are inspired and the true word of God. He has protected His word by helping others to faithfully produce copies of those original autographs which have survived down through the ages to the point we have the faithful reproduction of the Jewish writings, and 5,000 manuscripts which agree impeccably with one another to the point that we can be assured those works, done over a period of 1,000 years, are reflective of God's words.

No translation can be said to be anything but that: A translation.

 

[Grazer]

God's word is true, period. Translations are translations. Not inspired. The original autographs are inspired and the true word of God. He has protected His word by helping others to faithfully produce copies of those original autographs which have survived down through the ages to the point we have the faithful reproduction of the Jewish writings, and 5,000 manuscripts which agree impeccably with one another to the point that we can be assured those works, done over a period of 1,000 years, are reflective of God's words.

No translation can be said to be anything but that: A translation.

Whilst I agree with the point and that historians believe we have 99.5% of what was originally written, were still left with somewhere in the order of 20,000 variant readings (differences)

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Whilst I agree with the point and that historians believe we have 99.5% of what was originally written, were still left with somewhere in the order of 20,000 variant readings (differences)

None of which change the key doctrines of the Bible. They are minor, e.g., differing use of verbs, plurals vs. singulars, adjectives that change the level of modification but not the concept of an idea, etc.