God's wrath

[Shilohsfoal]

Luke 21;21-23
The let them which are in judea flee to the mountains;and let them which are in the midst of it depart out;and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
For these be the days of vengeance,that all things which are written may be forfilled.
But woe unto them that are with child,and them that give suck,in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land,and wrath upon this people.

If God's wrath is worldwide ,then why did Jesus instruct the christians to leave Judea because of the wrath that shall fall upon those people who dwell there?
Wouldnt God's wrath be upon everyone all over the world if it were worldwide?
Why did Jesus say those people?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

No answers?
ok then.
Why is Jesus telling christians to not enter Judea during this time of wrath if there is wrath worldwide?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Doesnt the people who claim the entire world worships the beast and recieves God's wrath want to explain why this only mentions God's wrath in Judea and how them that are in the countries should stay out?

 

[Nathan]

Luke 21;21-23
The let them which are in judea flee to the mountains;and let them which are in the midst of it depart out;and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
For these be the days of vengeance,that all things which are written may be forfilled.
But woe unto them that are with child,and them that give suck,in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land,and wrath upon this people.

If God's wrath is worldwide ,then why did Jesus instruct the christians to leave Judea because of the wrath that shall fall upon those people who dwell there?
Wouldnt God's wrath be upon everyone all over the world if it were worldwide?
Why did Jesus say those people?

I do believe that you are expounding something that is true. It does speak of a particular area of the world receiving more 'calamities' than another. I think this will be a part of the delusion that will happen. Most people are being taught to look for some secrete rapture instead of the realities that will be seen on the earth itself.

 

[Nathan]

I believe the effects of it will be felt throughout the world, however.

 

[Nathan]

Although I am not a big student of prophecy, that is I have not been led to study in depth the prophetic time frame, some are under the impression that this has already been fulfilled when Jerusalem fell in the first century.

 

[Nathan]

Luk 21:20-24 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, and let those who are inside the city depart, and let not those who are out in the country enter it, for these are days of vengeance, to fulfill all that is written. Alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! For there will be great distress upon the earth and wrath against this people. They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive among all nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled."

This particular passage does seem to deal with the actual fall of Jerusalem in the first century. Why? Because then it says that after all of this the gentiles will trample it underfoot until the time of the gentiles are fulfilled.

If it was the end all to be all, there would not be a "time" that the gentiles are given to trample underfoot the city. But that is my quick exposition of this subject. Like I said, I have not studied it in depth. I believe that when the time of His coming is about to happen, I will be led in the truth.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Luk 21:20-24 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, and let those who are inside the city depart, and let not those who are out in the country enter it, for these are days of vengeance, to fulfill all that is written. Alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! For there will be great distress upon the earth and wrath against this people. They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive among all nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled."

This particular passage does seem to deal with the actual fall of Jerusalem in the first century. Why? Because then it says that after all of this the gentiles will trample it underfoot until the time of the gentiles are fulfilled.

If it was the end all to be all, there would not be a "time" that the gentiles are given to trample underfoot the city. But that is my quick exposition of this subject. Like I said, I have not studied it in depth. I believe that when the time of His coming is about to happen, I will be led in the truth.

The gentiles shal tread it under foot for 42 months.
Rev 11;2
But the court which is without the temple leave out,and measure it not;for it is given unto the Gentiles;and the holy city shall they tread under foot for forty and two months.

What was the dates you are suggesting this took place?What 42 month period?

 

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If you believe that GODS WRATH as depicted in the opening thread is directed to a particular land mass or people that would be a basic error:

Ephesians 5:6
Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

What things?

3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

THESE THINGS will be found in THE WHOLE WORLD and upon the WHOLE WORLD His Wrath shall FALL.

Colossians 3:6
For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:


Which things?

5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

IF you see THESE THINGS, er, ah, PERSONALLY, then you will (eventually) be led to understand Judea and the fleeing in 'different' terms.

enjoy!

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[Shilohsfoal]

If you believe that GODS WRATH as depicted in the opening thread is directed to a particular land mass or people that would be a basic error:

Ephesians 5:6
Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

What things?

3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

THESE THINGS will be found in THE WHOLE WORLD and upon the WHOLE WORLD His Wrath shall FALL.

Colossians 3:6
For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:


Which things?

5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

IF you see THESE THINGS, er, ah, PERSONALLY, then you will (eventually) be led to understand Judea and the fleeing in 'different' terms.

enjoy!

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I dont see where Luke is speaking of those things you are talking about.He is speaking about wrath upon those people in the time of God's vengeance.The only thing he says about the other countries is that they should stay out of Judea.Obviously there is something going on in Judea that is not in the countries.It appears that you just chose to ignore that fact.

 

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I dont see where Luke is speaking of those things you are talking about.He is speaking about wrath upon those people in the time of God's vengeance.

Luke quoted Jesus. Paul tells us that GODS WRATH falls upon ALL the workers of iniquity and ALL the children of DISOBEDIENCE.

The only thing he says about the other countries is that they should stay out of Judea.Obviously there is something going on in Judea that is not in the countries.It appears that you just chose to ignore that fact.

Your understanding does not and CAN NOT line up.

The Wrath of GOD is an INNER matter. It cannot be understood as you 'think' you see it applied to a geographic area and the specific occupants therein.

Step inside your own TEMPLE...and you will see YOUR PRIOR CONDITION:

Ephesians 2:2
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Even in the subtlety of the term 'ye' means that YOU were NOT alone, but that PRINCE OF DARKNESS was upon YOUR MIND.

Yes, YOU were a 'child of DISOBEDIENCE.' And GODS WRATH even then WAS UPON YOU.

WRATH is coming on the GENERATION OF VIPERS....

Matthew 3:7
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

You can NOT see 'these VIPERS.' They appear to you as MEN, but they are not.

Their GENERATION has existed and multiplied since THE GARDEN.

THEY were standing there IN MEN when our Lord was CRUCIFIED and they are STILL HERE and STILL taking their victims by the SCORE.

John 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Romans 2:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

'The Tribulation' is going to be A TIME OF SEPARATION.

It will first come TO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL, but will also FALL upon the Gentiles.

It will be A WHOLE WORLD working.

The 'operations' of INNER WRATH are already ABIDING UPON and clearly seen and have been abiding and seen IN THE people of the supposed 'churches' for quite some time now. It is in every church and at EVERY posting board.

2 Corinthians 12:20
For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:

Galatians 5:20
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Thessalonians 1:10
And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

Tribulation COMES FIRST....none of us will AVOID that working IF we remain ALIVE at that time.

AFTER the GREAT TRIBULATION, the TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE,

The FINAL WRATH shall come upon ALL THE WORKERS OF INIQUITY.

Wrath that is already IN MANKIND has been stewing in ALL the POTS OF FLESH...

It is in effect, DEATH boiling within same.

Believers were DEAD in 'tresspasses' and 'sins.' Unbelievers to this day remain BLINDED by the 'god of this world.' The PRINCE OF THE POWER OF THE AIR...that spirit that works in the CHILDREN OF DISOBEDIENCE.

It is upon ALL OF THESE that GODS WRATH will fall.

The 'event' you put up in the first post is in fact the FINAL ACTION of the GREAT TRIBULATION....wherein the FINAL SEPARATION has come.

There is of course more to be said...in understanding this matter.

However, those who insist on looking at LANDMASSES or PEOPLE are not meant BY GOD to see these matters. They will not see and they CAN NOT see.

enjoy!

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[Shilohsfoal]

"The let them which are in judea flee "
Then why did Jesus tell those in Judea to flee?
Why did Jesus tell those outside of Judea to not enter?


Obviously you enjoy typing but your many words fail to answer simple questions.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Luke 21;21-23
The let them which are in judea flee to the mountains;and let them which are in the midst of it depart out;and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
For these be the days of vengeance,that all things which are written may be forfilled.
But woe unto them that are with child,and them that give suck,in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land,and wrath upon this people.

If God's wrath is worldwide ,then why did Jesus instruct the christians to leave Judea because of the wrath that shall fall upon those people who dwell there?
Wouldnt God's wrath be upon everyone all over the world if it were worldwide?
Why did Jesus say those people?

Smaller wanting to post in this thread cant seem to answer the questions placed before him.

 

[smaller]

Smaller wanting to post in this thread cant seem to answer the questions placed before him.

I'm going to write this, but you WILL NOT understand.

Some might however.

Judea is JUDAH...

THE HEAD OF JUDAH is Jesus, THE LION OF THE TRIBE....

It is HIS HEAD that belongs at the TOP of EVERY MAN....

The TOP of every man is HIS MIND....there is the MOUNTAIN...

Now, where are THE ENEMIES in this equation?

That's right...

In the MIND where JESUS' LIVING WORDS are to ABIDE.

He will DRIVE OUT THOSE ENEMIES. They are currently ON THE ROOFTOP.

enjoy yer new glasses if you can put them on.

s

 

[smaller]

Matthew 10:27
What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.

Believers who preach from LITERAL housetops probably didn't really 'git the picture' so to speak.

s

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Matthew 10:27
What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.

Believers who preach from LITERAL housetops probably didn't really 'git the picture' so to speak.

s

You have to spiritualize everything dont you.Its all in your head.Its all about you.

 

[Codger]

Luke 21;21-23
The let them which are in judea flee to the mountains;and let them which are in the midst of it depart out;and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

For these be the days of vengeance,that all things which are written may be forfilled.

But woe unto them that are with child,and them that give suck,in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land,and wrath upon this people.

If God's wrath is worldwide ,then why did Jesus instruct the christians to leave Judea because of the wrath that shall fall upon those people who dwell there?
Wouldnt God's wrath be upon everyone all over the world if it were worldwide?
Why did Jesus say those people?

Don't believe all this futurist doctrine. This passage is history, which is well documented by Josephus. The reason that Jesus told the Christians to flee Judea was because when Titus returned in a rage with his legions his first target was the fortified cities of Judea - the city of Jerusalem was last on his list. The Jewish Zealots had persued Cestius and destroyed the 10th legion - the Jews thought they had won not realizing they had only kindled Rome's rage for a complete slaughter of this rebellious nation.

Judea was in the most danger, so it is mentioned first.

 

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You have to spiritualize everything dont you.Its all in your head.Its all about you.

Do you read your Bible in literal darkness so that Jesus can speak to you?

lol

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Do you read your Bible in literal darkness so that Jesus can speak to you?

lol

I understand Jesus just fine.While your trying to fiqure out what all is in you.Ive been watching prophecies forfilled going on 15 years.There are alot of things in the scriptures that has taken place in our lifetime.But you wouldnt understand any of those because you are trying to find them in you.

 

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I understand Jesus just fine.While your trying to fiqure out what all is in you.Ive been watching prophecies forfilled going on 15 years.There are alot of things in the scriptures that has taken place in our lifetime.But you wouldnt understand any of those because you are trying to find them in you.

Most wishful thinking and sensationalist nonsense.

Evil within mankind does evil things. Evil is an internal matter, and there is where The Spirit contends with evil impetus.

The essence of all exterior views are CARNAL.

2 Cor. 10
3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

Many views of wrath and Revelation have believers sitting on their lees, thinking these matters are all about some piece of dirt in the Middle East, when in fact it is an 'present' war that ALL mankind are and will be engaged in, WITHIN.

enjoy!

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