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Got AIDS/diabetes? Proof of the medicinal benefits of peyote

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Soma-Sight

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These are four cases of the medicinal benifits of the Native Amercan Church's sacrament called peyote...

1. Native Americans were reported to have used it in the treatment of pneumonia, tuberculosis, diabetes, arthritis, influenza, intestinal problems, and even venereal disease. Peyote was also applied as a topical medicine for wounds, burns, slow to heal sores, bites and stings (especially from poisonous creatures).

2. Around the turn of the century, use of peyote as a medication was no longer limited to Native Americans. White settlers quickly adopted peyote and it soon found its way into the official drug manual of the times. For several years, editions of the United States Dispensatory, contained information on its medical uses under the botanical name, Anhalonium lewinii. In 1895, researchers suggested using peyote buttons as an "antispasmodic" for intestinal problems, irritable cough, nervous headache, restlessness, insomnia, hysteria, convulsions, and as a cerebral stimulant in cases of hypochondria and melancholia.

3. Modern research has tested the antibiotic effects of peyote extracts. James McCleary and his colleagues at California State University, Fullerton, showed that a peyote extract was effective in killing in-vitro cultures of eighteen penicillin-resistant strains of the bacteria staphylococcus aureus.


4. In a healthy body, a normal T-cell count is 1200. The first patient's, T-cell count was around 200 when he first came to see me. After seven days of steady use (50 to 100 drops of the extract, 4 times a day) his T-cell count increased to over 600. This person also switched to a natural whole foods diet and continued with herbs for the immune system. Within 3 months his T-cell count was above 800. To my knowledge, this patient was not using any standard AIDS medications, such as AZT. Today, four and a half years later, this person is still living with AIDS.

In a second case, the patient's T-cell count was initially at 300 when I began to work with him. After 2 months of similar treatment, his T-cell count was at 1000. This patient is also surviving with AIDS.

In both cases, the T-cell count was extremely low by medical standards. A peyote extract was administered in large enough dosages to affect a significant change, and the T-cell counts increased in a short period of time. Because both patents had been diagnosed with AIDS and are still alive four years later, I believe these cases indicate that peyote can be strengthening and or stimulating to a weakened immune system. I would encourage further detailed investigation by medical researchers.
 
Soma-Sight falls for more rubbish

What rubbish! Firstly, we know that this post is absolute hogwash as it uses the wrong terminology for HIV and Aids. Secondly, there are several very obvious mistakes and misinformation.

For instance:
In a healthy body, a normal T-cell count is 1200. The first patient's, T-cell count was around 200 when he first came to see me. After seven days of steady use (50 to 100 drops of the extract, 4 times a day) his T-cell count increased to over 600. This person also switched to a natural whole foods diet and continued with herbs for the immune system. Within 3 months his T-cell count was above 800. To my knowledge, this patient was not using any standard AIDS medications, such as AZT. Today, four and a half years later, this person is still living with AIDS.
IF the person is "still living with Aids" then they are very sick. Aids = CD4 count below 200 (or 350 in the USA and Europe) and, by definition, 3 or more symptoms.

Staying off ARVs for as long as possible

Many, many HIV +ve people (roughly 1 in 10) are living WITHOUT ARVs (antiretroviral treatment). We keep them OFF the ARVs as long as possible by a BALANCED diet and by watching and controlling OIs (opportunistic infections).

Secondly, CD4 counts is a continuos exercise with HIV + ve clients..... and we perform both CD4 AND Viral Load counts (two tests) to determine the HIV +ve client's status and stage of disease (1, 2, 3 or 4)... only stage 4 is used to classify the HIV infection as having moved into Aids.

Thirdly, we have many "change of lifestyle" and "change of eating habits" which produce the same effect. (1) Eat a balanced diet (2) Eat more (your body is fighting an infection) (3) Eat plenty of vegetables and fruit every day. Eat dry beans, peas, lentils and soy regularly. Chicken, fish, milk, meat or eggs can be eaten often. Use salt sparingly (4) Exercise regularly (5) Avoid alcohol (6) Stop smoking (7) Minimise stress...... etc, etc

The last point alone can result in huge variations in CD4 count.

Lastly, an anecdotal sample of two is hardly "research" or proof.

The writer of this article knows ZIP/ZERO about HIV/Aids.... but you fall for it in your copy-n-paste.

:roll: :roll:


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Soma-Sight, like your New Age rubbish, it seems you fall very easily for any quack "cure"....

As I have said many, many times to you before: read and learn before you post.

LEARN about HIV/Aids: http://www.uniads.org
READ about peyote: http://www.unodc.org/unodc/report_1998- ... ge025.html
http://www.nida.nih.gov/DrugPages/DrugsofAbuse.html

:-? :-?

P.S. This is where Soma-Sight plagiarized his post from: http://www.peyote.net/archive/medicine.htm

:roll: :roll:
 
Gary,

Please refute the scientific research done in reason number three that I posted...

The one dealing with the antibiotic effects of the medicine.....

And also check out this link for an interesting read about the South American drink Ayahuasca and cancer.....

As far as plagarisim goes.....

I serious spent one hour typing up a lot of different case studies I have seen yesterday but for some reason when I hit spell check it froze my comp and I lost it all :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

arrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh

Anyways here is another good link on the medicine called ayahuasca used in South America for anybody interested....

http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v08n3/08322top.html
 
Soma-Sight, I have conclusively shown you that the post is a lot of hogwash.

You even titled your post "Got AIDS/diabetes? Proof of the medicinal benefits of peyote..."

That is rubbish. I have shown you that.

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Soma-Sight said:
Please refute the scientific research done in reason number three that I posted...

The one dealing with the antibiotic effects of the medicine.....
YOU claimed this. It should be very easy to access a medical journal online to verify this research. The onus is on you. Bring the research. Bring the medical journal in which the research is published.

Start here: http://www.fullerton.edu

You may find this interesting. This is what California State University, Fullerton have to say about peyote

The substances in this schedule are those that have no accepted medical use in the United States and have a high abuse potential:

Heroin, tilidine, Marijuana, LSD, dihydromorphine, MDMA, Peyote, methaqualone, Mescaline, Psilocybin, fenethylline, N-ethylamphetamine, aceylmethadol
Source: -here-

:-?
 
Well, Soma, I don't believe in the New Age stuff, however, i do believe in natural medicine. Although, I don't know what peyote is. Sorry, I'm not stupid just a little unlearned. I have been looking into natural medicine recently due to the fact that doctors are killing people with medicine. I have watched many of my own family have their kidneys eaten out by pills that the doctors prescribed as well as watched my own daughter turn from a normal teenage girl into a psychotic one who self-mutilated and attempted suicide due to a pill that she was prescribed. I believe that God gave us the herbs for our healing. Like I said I don't know much but I am learning stuff every day.
 
D46 said:
Although, I don't know what peyote is.

Cactus juice, von.
Pretty close. Peyote IS a cactus. It is usually ingested via making a 'tea' out of "buttons" that grow from it's "crown", or by chewing them. It's chief psychoactive is mescaline. (please don't ask how i know all this-LOL)

I'm not sure if this plant has medicinal purposes, but if it does, are they able to eliminate the psychedelic effect? :-?
 
I don't think so, von...it's an hallucinogen much like LSD and "Angel Dust".

http://peyote.org/

I think the main reason they took paregoric off the market was because it had opium in it. When I got back from a tour of duty in Germany in '68, I ran across an old friend at a drug store. He asked me if I would get him a bottle of Paregoric to which I replied, of course. He looked pretty rough and I didn't think he had much money. I took him home, thinking he may be having a toothache problem, and as soon as we got there, he took that liquid, put in a small container and set a can of Sterno under it to burn it down to powder (Opium). He mixed it with some water, put in in a syringe and shot it into his veins. I was shocked as I hadn't seen this sort of thing before and knew nothing about drugs. He had gotten hooked on this stuff and for whatever kind of kick he got from it is beyond me. He died that same year from an overdose of different type of drugs. That story could be told countless times I 'm sure. Death induced via satan.
 
Gary said:
You may find this interesting. This is what California State University, Fullerton have to say about peyote

The substances in this schedule are those that have no accepted medical use in the United States and have a high abuse potential:

Heroin, tilidine, Marijuana, LSD, dihydromorphine, MDMA, Peyote, methaqualone, Mescaline, Psilocybin, fenethylline, N-ethylamphetamine, aceylmethadol
Source: -here-

:-?


This is fairly meaningless Gary.

As an example, the schedule includes "Heroin". There is no doubt at all that heroin is an effective painkiller, and is used in some countries for that purpose.
 
Gary,

I will have that Bona Fide info very shortly.....

As far as the study goes that proves its antibiotic potential.....
 
Gary you seem to know so much about peyote...

Have you tried it in a bona fide NA Church ceremony?

:)

Read these links...

Traditional Rehabilitative Therapy

http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v07n4/07404mer.html

General
http://peyote.org/.
http://www.biopark.org/peru/mescaline-healing.html

Treatment for alcoholism

Do you drink Gary?

http://www.montana.edu/wwwai/imsd/alcoh ... tivech.htm

This is the MOST CONCLUSIVE evidence to ME personally of the helaing power of this plant..... I have a cd from this CHRISTIAN group and it is AWESOME.... Read on how peyote cured this young boys spinal meningitis

http://www.canyonrecords.com/artprimeaux.htm
 
Don't run away or red herring the issue Soma-Sight. You copy-n-pasted an article which you titled "Got AIDS/diabetes? Proof of the medicinal benefits of peyote....."

I have shown that the HIV/Aids part is wrong. I have expertise in HIV/Aids.

I have asked that you bring proof of the California State University, Fullerton research. You have failed there as well.

The rest of your posts are simple red herrings to get away from the original rubbish you posted.

:-?
 
Here is an awesome cite on current reasearch being done LEGALLY by our GOVERNMENT into the many faceted benifits of psychadelics for various disorders......

http://www.maps.org/

Peyote on the Brain
Is the Secret to Alcoholism and Other Addictions Locked Up in the Hallucinogenic Drugs?
John Horgan
Discover Magazine
February 2003


http://www.maps.org/media/discover2.03.html

The Secret Chief Revealed
by Myron J. Stolaroff
Reprinted with permission


http://www.maps.org/books/scr/

A Clinical Plan for MDMA (Ecstasy)
in the Treatment of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD):
Partnering with the FDA

by Rick Doblin, Ph.D.


http://www.maps.org/research/mdmaplan.html

MAPS: Ibogaine Therapy in Chemical Dependency and Posttraumatic Stress Disorder: C.M. Anderson, Ph.D. (Part Three)
Jon Frederick smiile at usit.net
Fri Jun 26 05:46:08 CDT 1998


http://www.maps.org/pipermail/maps_foru ... 00941.html

A series of letters on MDMA and cancer


http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v09n1/09156for.html

Treatment of sexually abused people with psychedelics
auntym at earthlink.net auntym at earthlink.net
Sat Dec 12 19:47:04 CST 1998


http://www.maps.org/pipermail/maps_foru ... 01354.html

Had enough????????
 
I have shown that the HIV/Aids part is wrong. I have expertise in HIV/Aids.

I have asked that you bring proof of the California State University, Fullerton research. You have failed there as well.

:)

The rest is a smoke screen.
 
I have asked that you bring proof of the California State University, Fullerton research. You have failed there as well.

Prove to me this study WAS NOT DONE!

I have it in cited in THIS book as well as on that page I pasted from the Internet!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... s&n=507846

So THERE is your proof!

Now please try and dismiss the rest of the links I put up!

I bet you cant!

Just like I bet YOU have never participated in a NA ceremony or have any idea on the effects of the cactus on the mind, spirit, and body!

HA! That is what I call "Hogwash", condeming something you ave never tried or have no DIRECT knowledge of!
 
I have expertise in HIV/Aids... the disease, treatment etc.

What you plagiarized was utter hogwash.

:-?
 
That a few cactus heads all reference the same so-called "study" without a single medical journal reference or date only shows that you have no proof at all.

You may want to check the University records... there is no James McCleary on the staff nor any record of any research which bears his name.

:wink:
 
All I can say is that PERSONALLY I know of a man that went from putting a shotgun to his head from severe depression one night to calling Jesus his Lord and Saviour after such "ceremony". This man now works construction in Wyoming and sends money to poor families in South America... He reads his Bible regularly and is active in Christian evangelical work. He is healthier, stronger, and a better person oafter particpating in such an "evil" ceremony......

In fact gary I know this guy so well that I bet he would be willing to talk to you on the phone or e mail you about this... This is no joke and it really hurts to see such closed minded bigotry to the healing arts of nature.... So just let me know if you need more "proof", not that it matters, you would never participate in such a ceremony anyways!
 
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