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Great balls of fire

Just saw yahoo news: no threat to our solar system, folks!

Ian
 
That's amazing. What an awesome show of God's power and genius!
 
awesome

GundamZero said:
That's amazing. What an awesome show of God's power and genius!

It's awesome but so far no evidence of God.
 
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reznwerks said:
GundamZero said:
That's amazing. What an awesome show of God's power and genius!

It's awesome but so far no evidence of God.
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reznwerks said:
GundamZero said:
That's amazing. What an awesome show of God's power and genius!

It's awesome but so far no evidence of God.

The evidence of the equiment, which we only discoverd and created usings laws and physics that we only discovered, did not create, is no evidence? :roll: What other laws and physics that we have not yet discovered are above our intelligence that just kind of some how happened will be no evidence for you. You cannot see because you will not!
 
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thessalonian said:
reznwerks said:
GundamZero said:
That's amazing. What an awesome show of God's power and genius!

It's awesome but so far no evidence of God.

The evidence of the equiment, which we only discoverd and created usings laws and physics that we only discovered, did not create, is no evidence? :roll: What other laws and physics that we have not yet discovered are above our intelligence that just kind of some how happened will be no evidence for you. You cannot see because you will not!
Thanks Thess, You summed it up pretty good.
 
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reznwerks said:
GundamZero said:
That's amazing. What an awesome show of God's power and genius!

It's awesome but so far no evidence of God.

Think what you will, but when I heard "giant ball of gas" I thought they were speaking of politicians.
 
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destiny said:
thessalonian said:
reznwerks said:
GundamZero said:
That's amazing. What an awesome show of God's power and genius!

It's awesome but so far no evidence of God.

The evidence of the equiment, which we only discoverd and created usings laws and physics that we only discovered, did not create, is no evidence? :roll: What other laws and physics that we have not yet discovered are above our intelligence that just kind of some how happened will be no evidence for you. You cannot see because you will not!
Thanks Thess, You summed it up pretty good.
That makes no sense.

So the fact that we discovered DNA and all these other amazing chemicals, compounds etc, means that there is a god that lead us to it? and then, since we know all abotu them, because god made them for us, we are supposed to, NOT use it to our full potential?
 
I love it!

I said it once and you all said over and over again. Obviously God is trying to say something.

Peace4all, I don't think that's what Thess was trying to say. He said that the laws of Physics prove the Lord.

Simply put, since the universe works on a system of mathematics, we can conclude that absolute truth rules in society and science. And the the way it all works proves an Intelligent creator. Ironically, the intelligent design theory works all the way back to Einstien, not biologists. As a matter of fact, many quantum physicists have gone from being atheists to at least egnostic because they see the hand of an Intelligent Power at work in the universe. From Eistien to Dr. Hawking, they all see the design of the Almighty. Hawking even wrote a book called "God Created the Interger." I don't know if he is a believer yet.
 
GundamZero said:
From Eistien to Dr. Hawking, they all see the design of the Almighty. Hawking even wrote a book called "God Created the Interger." I don't know if he is a believer yet.

Neither Einstein nor Hawking were atheists. They were most likely not Christians, either, though Hawking's wife is a fairly devout Christian.
 
I didn't say either were Athiests. I simply said many had gone from atheist to egnostic. And I'm sure I've read somehwere that Eistein did indeed not believe that God really existed when he started out. But I'll have to find the source.

As for Professor Hawking

Stephen Hawking has worked on the basic laws which govern the universe. With Roger Penrose he showed that Einstein's General Theory of Relativity implied space and time would have a beginning in the Big Bang and an end in black holes. These results indicated it was necessary to unify General Relativity with Quantum Theory, the other great Scientific development of the first half of the 20th Century. One consequence of such a unification that he discovered was that black holes should not be completely black, but should emit radiation and eventually evaporate and disappear. Another conjecture is that the universe has no edge or boundary in imaginary time. This would imply that the way the universe began was completely determined by the laws of science.
(http://www.hawking.org.uk/about/aindex.html)

Since around 1980 cosmological interest has shifted to the first ten million, billion, billion, billion, billionth of a second (10-43 second) of the universe’s history, when the developing universe was so small as to be significantly affected by quantum theory. Stephen Hawking records that he was at a conference at the Vatican in 1981 at the end of which:

the participants were granted an audience with the Pope (John Paul II). He told us that it was all right to study the evolution of the universe after the big bang, but we should not inquire into the big bang itself because that was the moment of Creation and therefore the work of God. I was glad then that he did not know the subject of the talk I had just given at the conference - the possibility that space-time was finite but had no boundary, which means that it had no beginning, no moment of Creation.

The physicist continues, ironically, ‘I had no wish to share the fate of Galileo...’ However, Hawking has ventured various theological comments much more extreme than any uttered by Galileo, most famously that:

So long as the universe had a beginning, we could suppose that it had a creator. But if the universe is really completely self-contained, having no boundary or edge, it would have neither beginning nor end: it would simply be. What place, then, for a creator?
(http://www.counterbalance.net/ghc-bb/hhqm-body.html)

I'm sure his wife is a devout Christian, and I must say I'm ignorant of that matter. But as far a Hawking's own comments, what does this say he believed?
 
GundamZero said:
I'm sure his wife is a devout Christian, and I must say I'm ignorant of that matter. But as far a Hawking's own comments, what does this say he believed?

According to the Wiki article (which is where I learned of his wife's religion, btw), he's pretty private about his beliefs. Nobody knows for sure, but it seems likely that he maintains a belief in some higher power. He's reportedly attended church with his wife a couple times, but that doesn't mean a whole lot.

I'd think it would be hard to explore the beauty of the universe so closely without developing a belief in some sort of god, but that's just me.
 
Mathematics prove nothing, because we invented the mathematics. We invent the absolute values of things. We invent the formulas and equations.
 
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