has Jesus revealed the anti christ?

[Tabasco Breath]

Opinions are nice, baseless opinions are about worthless and as manufactured as a three dollar bill.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

remember to satan can appear, take on the form as an angel of light, decieve, appear as the good guy,
counterfiet, messiah.

johnny

When the beast showed up it called itself Israel and blinded the world to the truth.
Now half the world thinks it is a good guy.

 

[JudaicChristian]

this is also another interesting plot.

The Prince who is to come...

http://pillar-of-enoch.com/essays/Princ ... o-Come.pdf


remember to Satan can appear, take on the form as an angel of light, deceive, appear as the good guy,
counterfeit, messiah.

johnny

Who on earth claims to be Christ incarnate?

 

[JudaicChristian]

Well anyway it was an interesting story, one of those things that makes you wonder. If everyone one remembers, it was the Orthodox Jews who were and are Anti-Christ, and it's the Popes who say they are Christ incarnate.

 

[Tabasco Breath]

There were a variety of Jesus followers as decades came and gone after the death of Jesus. In the letters of John it is those who followed Jesus, those who were in the same belief group of the writer John, but had left their group to take on their own belief in Jesus denying his humanity. That is who they meant by the Anti-Christ. Then the Church fathers took over took the term to mean everyone who held views they didn't, and their congregation of today offer even more unwarranted speculation. Now kind of like the Beast, today's Christians are stuck trying to give a specific era intent to mean something contemporary. it's good literature, why make a mockery out of it?

 

[veteran]

Our Lord Jesus HAS already revealed 'the' "antichrist" that John said was to come. He also revealed who the "many antichrists" are. It's all in His Word from Genesis 1 to the end of Revelation 22. So far, none here have revealed who it will be.

The early Church was just in looking and watching for the coming of 'the' antichrist, but they were not in the end of days like we are today. So all they could relate the prophecy to was a pattern God's Word shows about the antichrist.

However, our Lord Jesus in Matt.24 ALSO revealed the idea of patterns, or types, or shadows, that point to the final antichrist He was intending. When our Lord warned of a pseudo Christ (pseudochristos), and linked the "abomination of desolation" event from Daniel with that false one, He obviously assumed we already knew about a previous pattern Antiochus served in that role back in 170 B.C.

In the OT prophets, our Lord made comparisons of Pharoah, the king of Assyria, king of Tyrus, and the king of Babylon directly to Satan himself. The lesson in that was to show the working of the role of false king reigning over the kingdoms of this world instead of our Lord Jesus as THE RIGHTFUL KING. That is the actual meaning of the word "antichrist", for it links to how Satan first rebelled against God by coveting His Throne and wanting to be THE KING in place of Christ Jesus.

What that pattern or type lesson is supposed to teach us today, is to look back in history for that role, those who fulfilled that pattern, while also expecting a final fulfillment of it with the ultimate fake king doing it in the end of days. So if Satan began the original pattern, and OT pagan kings of history served as types, then who might be expected to fufill its final type just prior to Christ's return? Yet another flesh man in the role of king of kings over all the kingdoms of the earth? No, because that would be just a continuing of the types what Israel in OT times saw, and what the early Church was given to see in their days.

That's why 'the' antichrist role, the final one, is not about just another flesh man in that role as false king of the earth. The ultimate pattern, the original blueprint, the first prototype, was Satan. And so will he fulfill the last one. This is why the coming tribulation on earth is written to be a time of trouble the likes that has never before occurred upon the earth. It is also why many will be deceived and fall away in its snare.

 

[johnny botwright]

well if im reading vetrens reply correctly, its still a detective story, following the clues, joining the dots,
process of elimination, speculating.

but what i think his post implys, some one who will over shadow, every one who has been, type, O.T Kings, your neros, hitler, popes ect i can not see any of the present contenders, ruling from Israel, maybe ruled from Israel?
obama? charles, ect

the ullitimate deception, ruler, king, leader. bigger than anything before or ever will be.

almost out of this world, i will throw this in, and see where it leads.

reptilican/alien,demonic deception,?angel of light? maybe some thing like the ancient myths where we are tolled the earth was visited.

bringing fire down from heaven ect?

some say this thing in geneva, is really about opening a port hole? star gate?
http://www.abovetopsecret.com

lets say U F O s landed we come in peace, how in awe would the world be,
bringing a new culture, religion, belief, a leader. war of the worlds?
just thinking out of the box, satan in his pride, will want something spectacular, for his grand finale? the master of deception! johnny

 

[johnny botwright]

when Jesus returns in great power and glory, the world will see his return,
those that remain are caught up in the air,
beam me up?
again will this return, spectical be by way of U F Os?





The new Jerusalem, that comes down from heaven,

said to be 1500 miles square, a mother ship?

some believe it to be a cube,

some children in an orphanage in china, were caught up into heaven, and returned

they said looking down on our solar system, was like looking down on a city at night.

intrestingly they said, the city, the new Jerusalem was not a cube, but a pyramid?

1500 miles square at the base, 1500 miles high.

johnny

 

[johnny botwright]

johnnybotwright7,

Are you watching V? I am pretty amazed at that show. It seems to be produced by someone who might have a conservative/christian world view. The aliens (nephelim of OT times) come disguised as humans. Not only that but attractive humans. Their leader being the most attractive of all. But, beneath their skins they are reptilian. The strategies for world domination are demonic. They are trying to vaccinate the human population. The vaccine has hidden stuff in it that tracks them. Ring any bells? Anyways, I think their leader is a good model for how I see Satan's coming. Attractive, smart, powerful. People will want to follow him.

As for seeing the programe V no i have not seen it, ive heard of it.

I once saw a V this was over 30 years ago, we were fishing at a lake, we heard a high pitch noice, sound, the dogs nearby started barking.

for a brief moment there was, what appeared to be five discs, in a V formation. then nothing

i was listing to bbc radio 2 last night, just after 9 oclock, chris evans was interveiwing one of the band members of the grogs,
who happened to mention, thy had seen some thing, and even got a film crew out, while waiting, it was pouring down with rain, so the film crew stayed in the van,
then this object appeared, below the clouds and went from horizon to horizon, in seconds, with no sound.

it effecting things in the local village, one farmer his answer machine started playing messages,
his clock stoped at 12 minuets past 12 the 12 of the 12 ?

johnny

 

[veteran]

Until the real antichrist stands up, there will continue to be speculation about his identity pointing to flesh leaders among today's nations including the position of the pope. What I have a hard time with, is trying to understand how others continue to point to the "many antichrists" servants idea, instead of the antichrist himself.

Who would be the head antichrist over the many antichrists in the world? Not Obama, regardless of his real beliefs; not the pope either, for he hasn't deceived Protestant Christianity at all, nor unbelieving Jews into worshipping him in place of God. Just who would it take to deceive even many Protestants and unbelieving Jews today, and even turn atheists to believe? Who would it require to do that?

 

[johnny botwright]

johnnybotwright7,
posted http://www.december212012.com official website, forums
I saw 3 disc in the sky when I was a kid. The ones I saw looked like the full moon though perfectly flat shaded grey. They were bigger than the moon would appear in the sky. There were three of them and they were stationary. They were in the same general local as you'd expect to see the moon.

Maverick163,

The evidence suggest that they are already here though not revealed publicly. They have communicated what they believe through channeling (probably direct communication to some). They don't believe in the God of the Bible. I think they refer to Jesus as an ascended master or something of that sort. I'm guessing when they fully choose to reveal themselves this will initiate the great falling away:

2 Thessalonians 2:8-11 (New International Version)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=NIV
Quote:
8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie

posted at www.prophecytalk.com discussion anti Christ forum



i saw a movie recently (the fourth kind). It is supposed to be based on a true story and many portrayed in the movie, either attest to its voracity, or refused to be interviewed for fear of having their credibility questioned in their professions.These are doctors and professors.It is about alien abduction and what i found particularly compelling is the end, when the victim is put under hypnosis, the entity manifests itself, and after levitating the woman and breaking bones causing her to be paraplegic afterward, refers to itself as "god".The movie is a combination of acting and actual recorded sessions of hypnosis with the different "abductees" being documented in the movie.This left NO question in my mind as to the identity of "aliens" being the "nephilim" spoken of in the Bible.Agape,paulGrace + Truth = AGAPE

 

[johnny botwright]

i will again throw this in and see if it goes anywhere.
I had a dream recently, we were in an upper part of a farm house, wooden beams, some thing we were carrying had a chip, so we relized those hunting for us, knew where we were.
we had to leave at once as we did, men appeared as i went to make my exit, i thought its to late, they are already here, they appeared on the slopes either side of the house,
but it turned out they were resistent fighters, hunted like our selves, we made it known our location was known, we had to move, i went out of the back of the house, along part of a tunnel, this other youth joined himself with me, i wanted to make my own way, but he insisted in staying with me, i knew the terrain, and where i was heading, while making my escape, i entered a field with some horses in,
the spirit within me enabled me to be able to leap quite a distance, land and leap again,
ships that looked like ufos came into view, one landing quite near to us, me and this lad went to ground, only a small group left the craft, one was being wheeled in a chair, his head going from side to side, he had the ability to scan, i was hoping our form because there were to of us, would be harder to detect, but this was not the case, we had been scaned, discovered and were caught, being led into the craft, again resistance fighters appeared, throwing bags containing explosives down shafts,
we made our way through the craft, that inside was not much different to a ship, cafe, restraunt,
people working, we were free again, made our way to some buildings, looked like a collage,
a girl asked about the craft that had landed, we made out things were ok, knowing hers and others fate was about to change, we made our way past a group of students coming our way, looking away not making eye contact, so not to be revealed later.

those who were hunting us were human in form, not alien, or reptican, it was more along the lines of the chronicals of riddick, yes they were human, but some thing for them had been changed, as was the fate of those they caught.
johnny

 

[johnny botwright]

talking films, fiction, not to far from what could be reality, the film the oman, the anti christ rise to power in america, a president. so i can see why people put forward obama, and his illuminati, bildenberg,
black masons associations

as for aliens being demons,fallen angels. again possable, i watched the end of days recently, when the anti christ manefests himself as a 30 foot tall satan, wings and all, then disapears. posseses arnold swaznegger.
demons in people can be very power full.

im not spliting hairs, the person who posted that reply, i understood where he was coming from.
its just an open discussion, nothing written in blood and stone. passing ideas around.
johnny

 

[n2thelight]

The antichrist is non other than satan himself,and he will be here live and in color,pretending to be Christ,and most of the world will think he is.....That's what the tribulation is all about,deception,that's why Christ # 1 warning ,was that you not be...

 

[johnny botwright]

posted at http://www.prophecytalk.com anti christ forum ?

All the clues given in the Bible point to Prince Charles as the most likely candidate for the Antichrist. I believe the cataclysm that is coming in 2012 from the passage of the brown dwarf star Wormwood (Planet X) into our solar system would create a huge problem that the EU heads will draft the Prince to find a solution in the aftermath of the disaster. He becomes their leader and this is how he ascends to absolute power.

In Rev 9, Satan comes down to earth with the key to the Bottomless Pit and he released Abaddon/Apollyon. If you read the book by Thomas Horn "Apollyon Rising 2012" he made a very compelling research based on ancient records from diverse cultures indicating this deity will again rise up to power in 2012. He said Apollyon will inhabit the body of the EU Leader and that's how he becomes the World ruler.

The millions of demon that will come out of the Bottomless Pit like swarms of locusts will inhabit the fleshy bodies of the nephilim. The nephilim are the modern day "giants" or hybrid humans with DNA of the fallen angels. They are reproduced by "ET's" in their UFO's through abduction of humans and they look no different from any normal human. The cases studied are generally about reproductions, the harvesting of human eggs and sperms to produce the hybrids. These unfortunate "humans" may not know their true identity and are just living fleshy vessels waiting for the demons to possess when the time comes.

So when the demons are released and took possession of their physical bodies, they instantly become the army of Apollyon. They already knew their mission and within days they could take over the entire World. The Scriptures says they will inflict pain in a reign of terror for 5 mos. and all the nations will yield to their rule.

http://www.apollyonrising2012.com/

Click the "Prophecy In The News" video, after part 1 do not click out, it will auto load parts 2 & 3.

 

[johnny botwright]

this was a reply http://www.december212012.com

the officail website, forums prophecys and prediction

the post has Jesus reveiled the anti christ.

concerning the link to the appollyon rising 2012

this was the reply.

This was the most amazing video I've ever seen. Thank you for posting the vid.

also posted at http://www.prophecytalk.com reply anti christ forum

1. The European Union 666 and Javier Solana
DO you think its possible javier solana...can be a major candidate, now that he is out of the picture in EU Google


johnny