Have You Been Deceived?

[Malachi45]

Have You Been Deceived:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lLjoPIj6Uc

 

[biblecatholic]

Have You Been Deceived:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lLjoPIj6Uc

the first priest on this video Fr Corapi...man he is so awesome!!!



is this video something you believe?and if so have you been deceived?

 

[handy]

I'm putting a lock on this topic until it can be further reviewed.

 

[handy]

I am moving this topic to Apologetics. Malachi, perhaps you'd like to elaborate on the points the video brings up.

Frankly, I think they are preaching a false doctrine brought about by taking some texts out of context and ignoring how others fit in with the totality of God's revealed will for us.

 

[Vic C.]

is this video something you believe?and if so have you been deceived?

I am moving this topic to Apologetics. Malachi, perhaps you'd like to elaborate on the points the video brings up.

Frankly, I think they are preaching a false doctrine brought about by taking some texts out of context and ignoring how others fit in with the totality of God's revealed will for us.

I agree with BC and Handy here. I think some Apologetics may be needed.

 

[Scott1]

Frankly, I think they are preaching a false doctrine brought about by taking some texts out of context and ignoring how others fit in with the totality of God's revealed will for us.

Exactly.... this is what happens when some people pick and choose the verses they want and ignore anything that shows their error. When you don't include the unity of the ENTIRE word of God into your teaching, you are bound to be deceived.

Well done production wise, though. :-D

 

[cyberjosh]

The way they at first put sin in quotes and then try to define it later is very deceptive. Jesus does wash away our sins when we believe, not an intellectual assent "belief" but a true effectual belief which expresses itself in works. When they implied that Jesus did not die for our "sins" (as they wrote it) they are utterly wrong, because it clearly says in the Bible, "He who was delivered over because of our transgressions, and was raised because of our justification" (Romans 4:25).

They may have started off with an intention to stave of "faith only" Christians (the same people James speaks against) but in the process they go to the opposite extreme and leave the grace of God completely devoid of the picture. This is an unbalanced video.

If you want the correct balance then merely obey Christ's own words, "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments" (John 14:15).

God Bless,

~Josh

 

[Malachi45]

I’m sorry guys, but when I watched that video it hit a core, and the more I looked at it, the more I felt I could see what was being said, but couldn’t put it into words.

I remember one person saying, “If your goal in life is to not offend anyone, you will be a crummy witness. You may make the world happy, but you won't make your Saviour happy.†So, sorry if I have offended anyone, but that is how it comes out of my heart.

The more I look at the video, the more I begin to wonder how much I have missed the mark, when it comes to knowing what it means to be a true follower of our Lord Jesus Christ.

I was beginning to see how blinded I have been by cultural Christianity and failing to see the truths of His Word, and Ezekiel 18:19-24 did speak to me.

Oh well, I can always expect some opposition from some people, and at times I don’t understand why. So please fill me in on what you think what Ezekiel 18:19-24 is saying?

I believe that our Lord Jesus Christ is waiting to set others and me free from bondage, and it has been going on for years with some.

We believe that our sins are forgiven, but from this video I began to see that “sin is the transgression of the Lawâ€Â. I have been struggling for some time, like most Christians are, and it hit me until we understand the Law fully, we continue to sin without really knowing it. Forgiveness is from adherence to the Law, NOT some blind faith, belief, and discipline that is found in the traditions and doctrines of men. (See Colossians 2:8.) Also Hosea 4:6 comes to mind, because many Christians do reject knowledge and understanding.

I hear many Christians crying out for help and release from bondage, they all cry out, “I have confessed my sins, but I don’t feel as though I am forgiven!†Why do they feel like that, and I’ve felt the same many times, and I still feel that way at times.

I am beginning to see, and what others have been saying to me for quiet sometime that if you break the Law after understanding what sin is, then there is “no more†forgiveness. I may be wrong, but that may be the reason why so many Christians are still suffering torment and harassment, and sadly offended by what I say.

In Matthew 5:17-18 Jesus said “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I did NOT come to destroy,but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no way pass from the law, till all is fulfilled.†Here we see our Lord Jesus Christ answering the accusations brought against HIM by the Pharisees

In Matthew 22:34-40, a Pharisee then tried to snare our Lord Jesus Christ by asking HIM what is the greatest Law is, and HE points to the Law and prophets in the Old Testament, which deals with the love of God in the first four Commandments, and dealing with responsibilities toward other people.

As HE said in Luke 16:17, “It is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to failâ€Â. “For there is no partiality with God (the elitism). For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many who have sinned by the law will be judged by the law†(Rom. 2:11-13).

I believe that many Scriptures point to the OT and the Law, but with all the distorted, corrupted, and watered-down translations around of the New Testament the “true role†of the Law is confused, because our Lord Jesus Christ “did not†negate the law as HE said in Matthew 5:17-18, but the doctrines and traditions of men did (see Col. 2:8).

Today, there are so many watered-down version of His Inspired Word, that the doctrines and traditions of men have deliberately distorted, and twisted the definition of “sinningâ€Â, such as The Message, and many of us keep on “sinning away†by not keeping the Commandments and Law.

I believe that as far as understanding the Law, we must realise that the Law is those “earthly and heavenly things†in force right now and to come, (see Hebrews 8:4-5) “and not the very image of the things†(se Hebrews 10:1). The same rules and principles that HE put in place at Creation.

Sad as it is, the same “earthly and heavenly things†of today are the same that Nicodemus couldn’t understand.

 

[cyberjosh]

I’m sorry guys, but when I watched that video it hit a core, and the more I looked at it, the more I felt I could see what was being said, but couldn’t put it into words.

I remember one person saying, “If your goal in life is to not offend anyone, you will be a crummy witness. You may make the world happy, but you won't make your Saviour happy.†So, sorry if I have offended anyone, but that is how it comes out of my heart.

The more I look at the video, the more I begin to wonder how much I have missed the mark, when it comes to knowing what it means to be a true follower of our Lord Jesus Christ.

I was beginning to see how blinded I have been by cultural Christianity and failing to see the truths of His Word, and Ezekiel 18:19-24 did speak to me.

We weren't denying that it might humble anyone, that sin is transgression of the law, and realizing that we all have done that. James says that one who breaks the law at one point is guilty of all of it. But look also what Paul tells us:

"What then? Are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God" (Romans 3:9-11).

"Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God." (Romans 3:19)

We are damned under the law! There is no hope under the law! Yet look at God's gracious promise given to Israel all the way back in Ezekiel:

"Nevertheless, I will remember My covenant with you in the days of your youth, and I will establish an everlasting covenant with you.
Then you will remember your ways and be ashamed when you receive your sisters, both your older and your younger; and I will give them to you as daughters, but not because of your covenant.
Thus I will establish My covenant with you, and you shall know that I am the LORD,
so that you may remember and be ashamed and never open your mouth anymore because of your humiliation, when I have forgiven you for all that you have done," the Lord GOD declares." (Ezekiel 16:60-63)

Are you ashamed and humbled by the law? That is God's very purpose in saying here that he shall extend his grace to you! That we could never open our mouth again because of all we have been forgiven. And why would God forgive us? So that salvation may be by his strength alone, and as Paul says, "so that none should boast before God" (1 Cor. 1:31; Rom 3:27-28; Eph 2:8-10).

Yet after rehashing our damnation under the law in Romans 2-3 Paul then says in the midst of it:

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;" (Romans 3:23-25)

What I highlighted in red is what that video denies, that Christ's blood covers our sins. The only point in which we can fail is to fail to accept that propitiation, or as Paul says, to "receive the grace of God in vain" (2 Corinthians 6:1).

I hope this is clearer to you now.

Oh well, I can always expect some opposition from some people, and at times I don’t understand why. So please fill me in on what you think what Ezekiel 18:19-24 is saying?

Unlike some here I hold the possibility that one can lose their salvation (although, since I'm not God, I do not claim that I know this for sure) but - assuming that it is possible - it must be on the same level as blaspheming the Holy Spirit, which is very difficult because what it ultimately refers to is not a one-time even but a systematic, consistent rejection of God's working in your life over time. You have a choice of whether or not to allow your heart to grow hard or not (Hebrews 3:8,13,15). Please read Hebrews chapter 3 and allow it to convict you, rather than some guilt-trip video that doesn't have it all right.

I believe that our Lord Jesus Christ is waiting to set others and me free from bondage, and it has been going on for years with some.

We believe that our sins are forgiven, but from this video I began to see that “sin is the transgression of the Lawâ€Â. I have been struggling for some time, like most Christians are, and it hit me until we understand the Law fully, we continue to sin without really knowing it. Forgiveness is from adherence to the Law, NOT some blind faith, belief, and discipline that is found in the traditions and doctrines of men. (See Colossians 2:8.) Also Hosea 4:6 comes to mind, because many Christians do reject knowledge and understanding.

I hear many Christians crying out for help and release from bondage, they all cry out, “I have confessed my sins, but I don’t feel as though I am forgiven!†Why do they feel like that, and I’ve felt the same many times, and I still feel that way at times.

I felt in bondage like that until I had a revelation of God's grace. I never understood that God's grace was power and that (unlike the Pentecostal's say) all Christians have that power (dunamis) from God (there is not need for a "second baptism" in the Holy Spirit - because it happens for all believers upon salvation/regeneration).

The truth of this hit home for me specifically in the verse where God spoke to Paul, "And He has said to me, 'My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness' (2 Corinthians 12:9). Paul reacted by saying, "Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me".

Just look throughout the NT and you will see multiple references to our fleshly infirmity and weakness (none of this Joel Olsteen "strong, properous" Christian [in the externals] nonsense), and how God's strength is perfected by our inability and weakness. I'm doing an in-depth study of 2 Corinthians right now and I've noticed that one of the underlying themes of the entire book is exactly that.

I'll try to help comfort and encourage you in the best way I know how from my own experiences, but I hope I'm touching base with you. Just as Paul says in 2 Corinthians, "[God] comforts us in all our affliction so that we will be able to comfort those who are in any affliction with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God" (2 Corinthians 1:4). I pray that you are comforted and empowered in your weakness by God's grace.

I am beginning to see, and what others have been saying to me for quiet sometime that if you break the Law after understanding what sin is, then there is “no more†forgiveness. I may be wrong, but that may be the reason why so many Christians are still suffering torment and harassment, and sadly offended by what I say.

There has been no forgiveness for sins for all people since the very beginning of the law apart from Christ, because the law damns all those who try to keep it (the message of Romans). If you were at the point of no return and had no more forgiveness under Christ we would not be having this conversation, because you wouldn't give a flip. You are doing well to examine yourself, and test to see if you are in the faith but you are not at the point of no return. Let the revelation of your sinfulness and inadequacy drive you thank God all the more for his grace, for saving such a sinner as you!

See the testimony of the Scripture:

"But when Simon Peter saw that, he fell down at Jesus' feet, saying, "Go away from me Lord, for I am a sinful man, O Lord!" (Luke 5:8)

Yet who did Peter become? An apostle of great faith! And even after he denied him three times, Jesus after his ressurection restored Peter to fellowship with him and let him examine himself by asking him "Simon Peter, do you love me?" 3 times. Peter was shortly thereafter filled with the Holy Spirit of God, in grace and all power, at Pentecost.

And also:

"Woe is me, for I am ruined! Because I am a man of unclean lips, And I live among a people of unclean lips!" (Isaiah 6:5)

Yet who did Isaiah become? A prophet of great faith! And what did God tell him?

"He touched my mouth with it and said, "Behold, this has touched your lips; and your iniquity is taken away and your sin is forgiven." (Isaiah 6:7)

What is the common factor between these two? They yearned after God despite their inadequacy. Your yearning and concern in the same way can be fruitful if you ask God for grace despite your circumstances

And what did Isaiah as a result of his experience learn?

"Therefore the LORD longs to be gracious to you, And therefore He waits on high to have compassion on you. For the LORD is a God of justice; How blessed are all those who long for Him." (Isaiah 30:18)

Ask God to reveal to you what he revealed to them, and I believe that if you seek after it God will give it to you.


God Bless,

~Josh

 

[Malachi45]

Hi Cybershark,

Thanks for your answer. And I will read through them thoroughly. I thought and believed that the Scriptures I quoted are the reasons why I've thought this way.

I am now confused, because I see things in a way that may be deception or possibly seduction by other people's views.

I didn't actully like the video, because of the background music, the way it was presented, and the quick flash of Scriptures. But I played it through a few times to get the Scriptures and didn't take any notice of those people who were shown, therefore, I have no opinion of them at all.

It looks as though I have to pullback and rethink my thinking on this. As I said that the reason why I felt that way, is because the many Christians I come across who are struggling with many spiritual problems, or are caught up with the prosperity and OSAS faith, which I have trouble accepting as Scriptural.

I believed that I had a good belief, but as I touched base with other Christians in different religions, organisations, and groups, I believed that I could see many of them walking in a fairy-floss walk, that didn't gel and was false. And the more I looked at what was going on around me, I began become an out-of-church Christian.

Our pastor is a good teacher, and teaches great, and hold in high regard. But, when I tested his teaching on the sheep, those who agreed with the teaching, they didn't walk accordingly. I became very disappointed in them, and with our pastor, because I believe that if he taught this, then I believe that he should ensure that they walk it accordingly. There must be some accountability. And why I say that, is because they failed the attributes of love and acceptance. If you don't fit into their clique, you are on the outer.

My heart isn't hardened, nor evil: I'm faithful to our Lord Jesus Christ; and I believe that I am not in rebellion. But, I see so many seduced and deceived Christians, and bound Christians that my heart goes out to, who wants freedom, but noone is there to help them. Am I being critical?

It looks as though our Lord is hitting me with a challenge.

I can see what you are saying, but I keep on seeing so many Christian disobeying His Commandments, and they all come back at me in regards to His Grace. Now, I believe I understand His Grace, but then again I could ask myself, "Do I?" Are those who sin, and then fall back onto His Grace deceived or correct?

I walk a different path as most Christians, and those gifts given to me puts me in the category of a "demon chaser", which is not so. But, because I speak out and have experienced much, I have become very wary of 80% of those who don't "walk the talk". I see far too much mysticism in many churches, and other religion practices infilatrating into the area where I live.

Now, I don't know what to think or say about what I had written above in regards to the Scriptures that I quote.

Thanks for your time.

Be blessed.

 

[cyberjosh]

It looks as though I have to pullback and rethink my thinking on this. As I said that the reason why I felt that way, is because the many Christians I come across who are struggling with many spiritual problems, or are caught up with the prosperity and OSAS faith, which I have trouble accepting as Scriptural.

You are right to fear God, for the Bible says "Work out your salvation with fear and trembling" (Philippians 2:12). What you need to focus on (since we may never know a definate answer of whether we can lose our salvation or not - even though I've mentioned I think OSAS is wrong) is your own personal perseverance. Please feel free to PM me about this issue if I may help you more in this situation concerning your Church. I've had the great privelage of having a pastor (although I am no longer attending that Church - I moved when I transfered colleges) who was incredibly open and honest in his teaching & preaching, and because he preached so Biblical an approach to the Word he has a very small congregation (less than 30 people), and I could ask him any question honestly - and he would be humble enough to even tell me that he did not know when he was unsure, but he was always quick to say what he believes the Scriptures said on the matter. But he said something once that impacted me greatly, and gave me great resect for the wisdom of that man, "Now what ever I say, you don't have to take it as the absolute truth, because I want you to test it for yourself and feel convicted about it. You don't have to agree with me either. It used to bother me when people disagreed with me, but God's given me a peace about it." In other words he was encouraging me to be a Berean, who tested the words of Paul with Scripture when he preached. He would spend hours with me after services just talking on any topic I wanted to discuss with him, and he was always genuine and authentic. We even confided in one another. It was the funniest thing you've ever seen, two Godly men - more than 20 years apart in age - so very much longing after God's truth that they would spend hours of time with one another seeking after that truth. That's the relationship with God and men that I want.

Our pastor is a good teacher, and teaches great, and hold in high regard. But, when I tested his teaching on the sheep, those who agreed with the teaching, they didn't walk accordingly. I became very disappointed in them, and with our pastor, because I believe that if he taught this, then I believe that he should ensure that they walk it accordingly. There must be some accountability. And why I say that, is because they failed the attributes of love and acceptance. If you don't fit into their clique, you are on the outer.

I'm very sorry to hear that. A Church that our family went to a few years ago fell into some of that, and it eventually split. I'm not sure if you know what God's calling is on your life, but if you study to show yourself approved and feel confident or convicted about something the Bible says perhaps you could try to put yourself up in a position to teach in the Church (even if it is - at first- a quick raising your hand to say something in Sunday School class - and I've done that alot to stimulate more deep discussions in the classes), but in order to do that there has to be some level of involvement in the Chruch so that you can let your voice and sincerity be heard.

I tried to contribute to my Church youth group positively by offering, of my own free will (and admittedly my idea), to start a Bible trivia every Wednesday before the service, and we kept tabs of who got the most right and eventually we handed out prizes to those who got the most questions right. It also helped us put a lid on the "clique" problem that we had especially among our youth, it weeded out those that were there just to goof off and would probably yawn at any Bible trivia, from those who attentively looked at me when I asked the question and would shoot their hand up when I asked. :D I can tell that it really helped the youth group overall, although unfortunately with the larger problems happening in the Church, after a few months the Church split, so what I had just recently begun was abruptly ended.

Keep the faith, God can use you and your sincerity.

My heart isn't hardened, nor evil: I'm faithful to our Lord Jesus Christ; and I believe that I am not in rebellion. But, I see so many seduced and deceived Christians, and bound Christians that my heart goes out to, who wants freedom, but noone is there to help them. Am I being critical?

It looks as though our Lord is hitting me with a challenge.

You have in you the same heart and concern as an apostle or prophet. Prophets such as Jeremiah and Ezekiel saw the evils of thier day and their hearts were torn over it, and they spoke out of concern for the people. Jeremiah was so passionate on this front that he was known as "the weeping prophet". Similarly Paul said many times that he beseeched those he preached to with many tears, begging them to be reconciled to God. This passion is painful but also evidence of God's Spirit working in you. Pray to God for him to support you by His grace to help you endure and make you able to act and do something if there is an opportunity. Also you may want to seek out anyone else in the Church that you trust to help you bear this burden and to confide your concern with. I often did this with my Dad, but luckily there were a select few others who were real seekers who were prayer warriors for our Church who often prayed with my Dad and I could also go to them for anything or any concern. I hope you have someone who can bear this burden with you.

I can see what you are saying, but I keep on seeing so many Christian disobeying His Commandments, and they all come back at me in regards to His Grace. Now, I believe I understand His Grace, but then again I could ask myself, "Do I?" Are those who sin, and then fall back onto His Grace deceived or correct?

The Bible tells us very clearly that we should not use grace as a license to sin, "For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh" (Galatians 5:13) and "Act as free men, and do not use your freedom as a covering for evil, but use it as bondslaves of God" (1 Peter 2:16). If you feel confident enough to do it and there is a specific issue that you can address to these people, express your concern and urge them as Paul to not "recieve the grace of God in vain" (2 Corinthians 6:1) - because, oh yes, you can recieve it in vain. And they need to know that and let the fear of the Lord fall over them because of that. Paul said in 2 Corinthians 5:10-11 (just a little before that admonition above) that because of the judgement of our deeds he feared the Lord, and therefore sought to persuade men, meaning to turn them toward God that they too may seek God with fear and trembling. The burden you carry is a good one albeit a difficult one sometimes, when you see it not being effective. Since I have been reading 2 Corinthians alot lately, I've seen where Paul had to deal with the sorrow of sometimes being the aroma of "death to death" (2 Corinthians 2:16), which must be a great burden to have people condemned by the very truth that you speak, but (and he praises God for this) to others he is the fragrance of "life to life", and that is the goal. Do not lose hope!

God Bless,

~Josh

 

[Malachi45]

Josh,

Once again you have given me a lot to think on. You hit the nail on the head, because I am a weeping prophet, a little bit of Ezekiel, and a bit of Elijah.

I have had a bad day today, so will get back to you on PM

Thank you and blessed by HIM.

 

[cyberjosh]

I look forward to it. Feel free to PM whenever you like.

In Matthew 5:17-18 Jesus said “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I did NOT come to destroy,but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no way pass from the law, till all is fulfilled.†Here we see our Lord Jesus Christ answering the accusations brought against HIM by the Pharisees

In Matthew 22:34-40, a Pharisee then tried to snare our Lord Jesus Christ by asking HIM what is the greatest Law is, and HE points to the Law and prophets in the Old Testament, which deals with the love of God in the first four Commandments, and dealing with responsibilities toward other people.

As HE said in Luke 16:17, “It is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to failâ€Â. “For there is no partiality with God (the elitism). For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many who have sinned by the law will be judged by the law†(Rom. 2:11-13).

I believe that m any Scriptures point to the OT and the Law, but with all the distorted, corrupted, and watered-down translations around of the New Testament the “true role†of the Law is confused, because our Lord Jesus Christ “did not†negate the law as HE said in Matthew 5:17-18, but the doctrines and traditions of men did (see Col. 2:8).

Today, there are so many watered-down version of His Inspired Word, that the doctrines and traditions of men have deliberately distorted, and twisted the definition of “sinningâ€Â, such as The Message, and many of us keep on “sinning away†by not keeping the Commandments and Law.

I believe that as far as understanding the Law, we must realise that the Law is those “earthly and heavenly things†in force right now and to come, (see Hebrews 8:4-5) “and not the very image of the things†(see Hebrews 10:1). The same rules and principles that HE put in place at Creation.

Sad as it is, the same “earthly and heavenly things†of today are the same that Nicodemus couldn’t understand.

Oh, by the way, your understanding here of the law is pretty good. I would just add that, yes, although Jesus did not abolish the law, that the New Covenant in his blood breaks the bond that the law had on all that would have damned them with no hope. By breaking that bond and administering salvation by grace through faith, he enables us to keep the heart of the law and yet be justified in God's sight despite short comings. We see this principle of grace in Matthew 5 also, where Jesus said, "You have heard it said of old.... But I say to you", where Jesus' commands are actually harder to keep because he internalizes the law (or perhaps revealed it for what it really implied) and moves it beyond the physical observance of the law. John 1:17 says clearly, "For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ ". Jesus' "but I say to you" statements were harder to keep, yet it is the new dispensation of grace under the New Covenant that enables us to keep it. So which is the higher standard? The law under the Old Covenant or the law of Christ under grace in the New Covenant? The law of Christ under grace is the higher standard because He empowers us to live it by His Holy Spirit! Hallelujah, that is something to truely be excited about, because it is God's power working in us.

Also as a closing thought, Paul shows us how under this new dispensation of grace we can fulfill the law in the spirit it was intended: "Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law" (Romans 13:10).

God Bless,

~Josh

 

[one_lost_coin]

Have You Been Deceived:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lLjoPIj6Uc

To get a better picture of where this group was coming from with this video I watched another one from their body of work and they seem to be fond of the same formula. Show bible verses and then let the images demonstrate their personal interpretation. The bottom line is they see Christianity as the deception and in some absurd irony they think the bible proves it. They are selling hopelessness. Do not waste your time looking at it as a deep teaching by someone pondering some magnificent truth, they are not it is a puff of smoke. Based on some things said in some of their other productions my guess is that this was produced by the jehovahs witnesses.

 

[Alabaster]

The video is the deception! They are morons trying to place doubt in a weak believer or turn an unbeliever further away from hope in Christ--using little bitty verses out of context.

Fools.

 

[Catholic Crusader]

Have You Been Deceived:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lLjoPIj6Uc

That video was pointless.
Perhaps you could explain what YOU think the video meant

 

[Malachi45]

Thanks guys, Josh put me straight on a lot of things, and I thank him. As you read his comments and my comments, I had a lot to ponder on. Thanks again. :D

 

[Malachi45]

Have You Been Deceived:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lLjoPIj6Uc

That video was pointless.
Perhaps you could explain what YOU think the video meant

Thanks for you point of view, but I guess you didn't bother reading what I had said in my posting and comments to and from Josh. :-D