Relic said:
And the church is who?
Do you think that people should just leave these big businesses run wild and that the "church" people should just stay out of it? :o
Do you think that each and every individual who considers themselves to be a Christian should just stay out of what immorality big business backs up? :o
So what goes on outside of church is none of our business, is that it? :o
So let the wild immorality spread like wild fire, is that it? :o
christian_soldier,
It appears to me that aLoneVoice seems to think that one person at a time is how Christ works. That the "church" isn't to be involved in what businesses are doing, or what politicians are up to, and it appears to me that aLoneVoice fails to see that actually does Christ work through his own who speak out against those who promote immoral behavior and boycott as much as they can even though they can't do it all in one clean swift sweep.
Also, those who protest against immorality, those who stand in front of abortion clinics and "pray" that just one girl takes notice and decides to not do it... Isn't THAT a sign that Christ is at work through his servants who speak out and protest? I think it is! God works in more ways than just passive un-provoking way!
It appears to me that from seeing his postings around here, aLoneVoice fails to see the many many ways in which the Lord works through his servants. It appears to me that aLoneVoice, limits God in that he thinks there is only a "certain" way in which to minister to others (aLoneVoice's way; the uninvolved stay out of politics and protesting way) .
Perhaps, aLoneVoice, IF enough people speak out about the sponsorship huge companies give toward immoral causes there would be a decline of promoting immorality, instead of an increase which leads to the growth of a declining people even more so.
The "church" whether on an individual basis, or as a group, is not to be silent in matters concerning morality. If I see the promotion of immoral behavior on an individual level or even on a corporate or political level, I will speak out against it and do my best to help foster change for the better. It is my obligation and duty to do so, no matter what scale.
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Oye!
Perhaps a label will work. I am a separtist - I believe we are in the world, but not to be OF the world. I believe that we have a responsibility to be a light on the hill, a city of refuge. I believe that we have a responsibility and an awesome privelage to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ.
I also believe that we should not compromise our standards or our words.
How many of us, me included and all of you, live a constant and consitent life with the words that we speak/post? You dislike the ads made by Ford on a TV called "Dirt"" that airs on FX - so why do you continue to watch FX? Or perhaps deep down, you actually like The Shield? Why do you watch FoxNews which is owned by the same company that is making money off of immoral TV shows that aires on FX?
Now - do I live a completely separtist lifestyle - no. Do I strive too, yes. But I strive to be consistant. If I cannot be consistant, then I need to e careful what I say and do. He who has not sinned can cast the first stone.
We cannot change behaviors and morals without preaching Jesus Christ. What good is it if a business or an individual doesn't promote homosexuality - but that individual is a buddhist, or hindu, or muslim, or whatever, but isn't a born again believer?
Fine - support the Republican party or the Democratic party or whatever. Support the political party of professed ''family values'' whose front-runner is divorced, shacked up with a mistress while married, and supports abortion - but hey... atleast he is a Republican and is tough on immigration and pro-war!
Geez - the conservatives will criticize the Sharptons and Jesse Jacksons claiming that they 'need the poor' and they in fact support 'racism'' so they have a political position to run on to gain power. Geee... doesn't the Republican party do the same thing with abortion, family values, etc etc?
To change behavior, the heart needs to be changed to have a lasting impact on bahavior.
Perhaps I can offer another example. I get this next quote from the founder of AFA:
"One evening in 1977 I sat down with my family to watch TV. On one channel was adultery, on another cursing, on another a man beating another over the head with a hammer. I asked the children to turn off the TV. I sat there, got angry, and said, 'They're going to bring this into my home, and I'm going to do all I can to change it.
I would suggest that it is not the TV that is ''bringing this into my home'' - but rather you who turn on the TV and watch it. Why own a TV then in the first place! We do not have cable in our house - why? Because of shows that are shown on FX and other channels.
Is Ford the ONLY car manufactor that buys AD space on shows that promote immoral behavior? No - so where is the boycott Chrysler campaign, or the boycott toyota campaign, etc etc.
