Heaven on Earth

[elijah23]

Does the Bible say we can’t have heaven on earth?

Heaven is peace of mind. How can heaven be heaven if you don’t have peace of mind?

You get peace of mind when you repent of you sin. In other words, we need to stop sinning.

That is the reason for this:

From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matt 4:17 RSV

Do I have it right?

 

[jasoncran]

Does the Bible say we can’t have heaven on earth?

Heaven is peace of mind. How can heaven be heaven if you don’t have peace of mind?

You get peace of mind when you repent of you sin. In other words, we need to stop sinning.

That is the reason for this:

From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matt 4:17 RSV

Do I have it right?

if that was possible for the saints we wouldnt need the tribulation.

or return as we would just as perfect as the lord is.

 

[elijah23]

if that was possible for the saints we wouldnt need the tribulation.

or return as we would just as perfect as the lord is.

Jesus said we need to be perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect.

We can either go about the business doing that now, or not.

I am trying to be perfect now.

In other words, I am trying to stop sinning. I am not setting up a lot of crazy rules like the Pharisees did. I am just trying to obey the simple commandments of Jesus.

 

[jasoncran]

Jesus said we need to be perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect.

We can either go about the business doing that now, or not.

I am trying to be perfect now.

In other words, I am trying to stop sinning. I am not setting up a lot of crazy rules like the Pharisees did. I am just trying to obey the simple commandments of Jesus.

lovely. heres the biggest hurdle for you.

name one instane in revalation where that is stated, what defeated satan
the blood.

we cant change on our own. that perfection is done by this act repentance

do you believe in solo fide
if so what is it?

its revelant as no man can boast in his works.

the ot says can a man change his ways.
and compares that effort to a leopard changing his spots.
if we are that weak , we cant be sinless.

 

[elijah23]

lovely. heres the biggest hurdle for you.

name one instane in revalation where that is stated, what defeated satan
the blood.

we cant change on our own. that perfection is done by this act repentance

do you believe in solo fide
if so what is it?

its revelant as no man can boast in his works.

the ot says can a man change his ways.
and compares that effort to a leopard changing his spots.
if we are that weak , we cant be sinless.

We can simply do what Jesus told us to do.

He told us to repent (stop sinning).

From what you’ve told me in the past, you’re well on the way. Why not just keep doing it?

 

[JudaicChristian]

The word "heaven" literally means place-s.

 

[jasoncran]

We can simply do what Jesus told us to do.

He told us to repent (stop sinning).

From what you’ve told me in the past, you’re well on the way. Why not just keep doing it?

because, when i overcome one area god then points another.

i overcame porn,
now its cussing, gossiping and so on.

now then if we can alltogether be that level of perfect in our lives ere death, why then isnt mentioned anywhere.

that verse means maturity in faith.

 

[JudaicChristian]

The Coming of the Kingdom of God
Luke 17:20. Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, 21nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is among you."

 

[elijah23]

because, when i overcome one area god then points another.

i overcame porn,
now its cussing, gossiping and so on.

now then if we can alltogether be that level of perfect in our lives ere death, why then isnt mentioned anywhere.

that verse means maturity in faith.

That verse, Matthew 5:48, means exactly what it says it means—we need to be perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect.

If you can overcome lust, you can overcome cussing and gossiping.

 

[elijah23]

The word "heaven" literally means place-s.

I suppose there is no way to know what heaven is until we’ve experienced it.

 

[elijah23]

The Coming of the Kingdom of God
Luke 17:20. Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, 21nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is among you."

This verse helps to prove my point, doesn’t it?

 

[jasoncran]

That verse, Matthew 5:48, means exactly what it says it means—we need to be perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect.

If you can overcome lust, you can overcome cussing and gossiping.

again why is it never ever mentioned in the bible..

an analogy

a unibody car wrecked but not totalled. its get fixed at the body shop. pull straight with the frame machine and repainted and so on. the owner drives it away.in a few months the car starts pulling and eating tires, and aligment after aligment fixes nothing.

that car owner takes it back to the body shop. the shop says that's the way it is. and explains that once the unibody is damaged like that one, it can start slowly warping and having a large thrust angle that cant be pulled back out or corrected for.
the owner then decides to sell the car for scrap.

this is what the devil has done with our lives. we attempted to fix it, and it never gets truly together. only the lord can give us a new life.

if we truly believe that we can on this earth be perfect then why does the bible say that the very thoughts need to be subjected to the lord. or no man can tame his tounge?

only christ was that perfect, when we think we are all that and perfected,look at the bible and listen to the holy spirit. sin will be exposed, and repentence needed.

we cant be that perfect, if we could be our works alone then why the cross. its solo fide that save us

solo (only) fide(faith)
the later has actions to it as we acknowledge that and live our lives accordingly

i didnt stop porn on my own. i gave up on that. the lord while i was at the altar praying overtook me and thats when it happened. i wasnt even praying about it!

 

[elijah23]

again why is it never ever mentioned in the bible..

an analogy

a unibody car wrecked but not totalled. its get fixed at the body shop. pull straight with the frame machine and repainted and so on. the owner drives it away.in a few months the car starts pulling and eating tires, and aligment after aligment fixes nothing.

that car owner takes it back to the body shop. the shop says that's the way it is. and explains that once the unibody is damaged like that one, it can start slowly warping and having a large thrust angle that cant be pulled back out or corrected for.
the owner then decides to sell the car for scrap.

this is what the devil has done with our lives. we attempted to fix it, and it never gets truly together. only the lord can give us a new life.

if we truly believe that we can on this earth be perfect then why does the bible say that the very thoughts need to be subjected to the lord. or no man can tame his tounge?

only christ was that perfect, when we think we are all that and perfected,look at the bible and listen to the holy spirit. sin will be exposed, and repentence needed.

we cant be that perfect, if we could be our works alone then why the cross. its solo fide that save us

solo (only) fide(faith)
the later has actions to it as we acknowledge that and live our lives accordingly

i didnt stop porn on my own. i gave up on that. the lord while i was at the altar praying overtook me and thats when it happened. i wasnt even praying about it!

Jesus makes it very clear:

Repent.

Be perfect.

Jesus is the boss. If we stumble and fall, we get back up and try again. The Lord will forgive our sins if we are making an honest effort to repent.

 

[jasoncran]

why then do we die, if sin is totally taken from us at one time
death shouldnt be needed.

for the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life.

and i mean the propensity to sin. meaning that we are like jesus as he never knew sin when he was born. and didnt have the curse of the adamic nature like we do.

 

[stovebolts]

As Christians, we live the Resurected life as I'm reminded of what Paul wrote to the church in Corinth.

2 Cor. 5 14For Christ's love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died. 15And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again.
16So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer. 17Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come! 18All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. 20We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ's behalf: Be reconciled to God. 21God made him who had no sin to be sin[a] for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

 

[jasoncran]

jeff, is that for the view of the poster of the op. or agianst. i see that as this. we by the work of the cross, had righteneous imputed on us. Meaning this that we are already righteous. but that the works we do are for his glory and our (when we are sanctified) slow transformation.

we grow in grace and from Glory to Glory. surely you agree with that.

 

[elijah23]

why then do we die, if sin is totally taken from us at one time
death shouldnt be needed.

for the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life.

and i mean the propensity to sin. meaning that we are like jesus as he never knew sin when he was born. and didnt have the curse of the adamic nature like we do.

I think people make this more complicated than it needs to be.

If we stop sinning life becomes very beautiful.

That’s all there is to it.

 

[jasoncran]

I think people make this more complicated than it needs to be.

If we stop sinning life becomes very beautiful.

That’s all there is to it.

by that logic, a heathen could live that life as well.

not all sinners are so immoral that they kill.lie, and etc some are very moral yet arent saved.

i have known a person like that.

 

[elijah23]

jeff, is that for the view of the poster of the op. or agianst. i see that as this. we by the work of the cross, had righteneous imputed on us. Meaning this that we are already righteous. but that the works we do are for his glory and our (when we are sanctified) slow transformation.

we grow in grace and from Glory to Glory. surely you agree with that.

I know this post was not for me, but please let me comment:

I vigorously disagree that we are already righteous. We are righteous only when we stop sinning, I believe.

Jesus died for our sins, but that doesn't make us righteous. It merely saves us from hell.

 

[elijah23]

by that logic, a heathen could live that life as well.

not all sinners are so immoral that they kill.lie, and etc some are very moral yet arent saved.

i have known a person like that.

The heathen can turn from their sin and be saved, just as the righteous can turn to sin and suffer:

[18] When the righteous turns from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, he shall die for it.
[19] And when the wicked turns from his wickedness, and does what is lawful and right, he shall live by it.
Ezekiel 33:18-19 RSV