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Gendou Ikari
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If you are not married pretend that you are. And let's say that your spouse was sent to Hell. Would you choose to have eternal happiness without him/her or be by his/her side in eternal damnation.
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Gendou Ikari: Are you familiar with a concordance? In one, such as Young's, you will find that the word "hell" is used for three different words in the Greek: geenna, hades, and tartarus, in the KJV.
Also using a bible encyclopedia, you will find that "geenna" was a literal place outside the walls of Jerusalem, where the rubbish, trash of the city was burning. Jesus warned against unrighteous living and being judged worthy of being cast into geenna. The Jewish laws were that a person be stoned to death first. This is not something in the middle of the earth.
The souls of the unrighteous are not there. It is for human beings.
So, the concept of a place of burning fire in the middle of the earth does not apply to geenna.
Hades can mean the "unseen" or "grave" and is equivalent to "sheol" in the Hebrew scriptures. There is nothing about a burning place of torment about it.
And "tartarus" is a word used in 2 Peter 2:4, describing the pits of gloom where sinning angels are being held, awaiting judging. Nothing to do with the normal concept of hell.
So, there is no "hell" in which unrighteous immortal souls will be tormented.
And, that brings up another fallicy, that humans have "immortal souls". But that discussion would be on another link.
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Also using a bible encyclopedia, you will find that "geenna" was a literal place outside the walls of Jerusalem, where the rubbish, trash of the city was burning. Jesus warned against unrighteous living and being judged worthy of being cast into geenna. The Jewish laws were that a person be stoned to death first. This is not something in the middle of the earth.
The souls of the unrighteous are not there. It is for human beings.
So, the concept of a place of burning fire in the middle of the earth does not apply to geenna.
Hades can mean the "unseen" or "grave" and is equivalent to "sheol" in the Hebrew scriptures. There is nothing about a burning place of torment about it.
And "tartarus" is a word used in 2 Peter 2:4, describing the pits of gloom where sinning angels are being held, awaiting judging. Nothing to do with the normal concept of hell.
So, there is no "hell" in which unrighteous immortal souls will be tormented.
And, that brings up another fallicy, that humans have "immortal souls". But that discussion would be on another link.
Bick
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GEHENNA
ga-hen'-a (geenna (see Grimm-Thayer, under the word)): Gehenna is a transliteration from the Aramaic form of the Hebrew ge-hinnom, "valley of Hinnom." This latter form, however, is rare in the Old Testament, the prevailing name being "the valley of the son of Hinnom." Septuagint usually translates; where it transliterates the form is different from Gehenna and varies. In the New Testament the correct form is Gee'nna with the accent on the penult, not Ge'enna. There is no reason to assume that Hinnom is other than a plain patronymic, although it has been proposed to find in it the corruption of the name of an idol (EB, II, 2071). In the New Testament (King James Version margin) Gehenna occurs in Mt 5:22,29-30; 10:28; 18:9; 23:15,33; Mr 9:43,15,47; Lu 12:5; Jas 3:6. In all of these it designates the place of eternal punishment of the wicked, generally in connection with the final judgment. It is associated with fire as the source of torment.
Matt 10:28 (KJV) And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Luke 16:23-24 (KJV) And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
Rev 20:14-15 (KJV) And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
There is a literal hell for the wicked-make no mistake about it. Hell is not on this earth as some say, and there is no holdover place such as purgatory.The word of God says it and that settles it. Those that don't believe in a literal hell deny the words of God and may be in for a shock some day.
The Bible, God's inerrant Word, tell us that there is both a heaven and a hell. If we receive one and reject the other, we are reflecting upon the truth of God's Word. But we are not left to depend upon the opinions and speculations of men. We must rest upon the infallible truth of the infallible Bible.
One may deny the fact of hell, but that does not change the fact that it exists. Fire burns, whether you choose to believe that it does or not...poison kills, whether you believe it will or not. The world is round, whether you believe it or not....and hell is a reality whether you believe it or not. And if we reject the offer Christ is making today, we will go to hell, whether you believe you will or not.
ga-hen'-a (geenna (see Grimm-Thayer, under the word)): Gehenna is a transliteration from the Aramaic form of the Hebrew ge-hinnom, "valley of Hinnom." This latter form, however, is rare in the Old Testament, the prevailing name being "the valley of the son of Hinnom." Septuagint usually translates; where it transliterates the form is different from Gehenna and varies. In the New Testament the correct form is Gee'nna with the accent on the penult, not Ge'enna. There is no reason to assume that Hinnom is other than a plain patronymic, although it has been proposed to find in it the corruption of the name of an idol (EB, II, 2071). In the New Testament (King James Version margin) Gehenna occurs in Mt 5:22,29-30; 10:28; 18:9; 23:15,33; Mr 9:43,15,47; Lu 12:5; Jas 3:6. In all of these it designates the place of eternal punishment of the wicked, generally in connection with the final judgment. It is associated with fire as the source of torment.
Matt 10:28 (KJV) And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Luke 16:23-24 (KJV) And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
Rev 20:14-15 (KJV) And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
There is a literal hell for the wicked-make no mistake about it. Hell is not on this earth as some say, and there is no holdover place such as purgatory.The word of God says it and that settles it. Those that don't believe in a literal hell deny the words of God and may be in for a shock some day.
The Bible, God's inerrant Word, tell us that there is both a heaven and a hell. If we receive one and reject the other, we are reflecting upon the truth of God's Word. But we are not left to depend upon the opinions and speculations of men. We must rest upon the infallible truth of the infallible Bible.
One may deny the fact of hell, but that does not change the fact that it exists. Fire burns, whether you choose to believe that it does or not...poison kills, whether you believe it will or not. The world is round, whether you believe it or not....and hell is a reality whether you believe it or not. And if we reject the offer Christ is making today, we will go to hell, whether you believe you will or not.
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Gendou Ikari
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I know, I don't believe in eternal hell either. I'm just saying eternal for the point of arguement.
Hi D46. I am pretty familiar with the scriptures
Quote: You say, "hell is not on this earth, as some say;" and, "the word of God says it and that settles it."
Well, help me out. Where in the Word does it say that?
You did a good job regarding Gehenna being it was the ancient valley of Hinnom. But, you didn't point out that during Jesus earthly ministry, it was the place outside the walls of Jerusalem where the refuse of the city was dumped and was kept burning.
He warned the multitudes about being judged by the Sanhedren for actions so bad that they could be cast into Gehenna, which was right there out side the city.
The part about "their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched," Mark 9:36 NIV, is quoted from Isaiah 66:23,24, which, according to many commentaries, is prophetic of the coming kingdom on earth, when the nations will come to worship at Jerusalem, and will see the carcases of those condemned to die such a death.
To be sure, every one will be judged but not all at the same time.
Bick
Quote: You say, "hell is not on this earth, as some say;" and, "the word of God says it and that settles it."
Well, help me out. Where in the Word does it say that?
You did a good job regarding Gehenna being it was the ancient valley of Hinnom. But, you didn't point out that during Jesus earthly ministry, it was the place outside the walls of Jerusalem where the refuse of the city was dumped and was kept burning.
He warned the multitudes about being judged by the Sanhedren for actions so bad that they could be cast into Gehenna, which was right there out side the city.
The part about "their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched," Mark 9:36 NIV, is quoted from Isaiah 66:23,24, which, according to many commentaries, is prophetic of the coming kingdom on earth, when the nations will come to worship at Jerusalem, and will see the carcases of those condemned to die such a death.
To be sure, every one will be judged but not all at the same time.
Bick
Hi D46. You rightly said Jesus spoke of Gehenna 11 times, but then you quoted from the KJV which uses "hell" instead of "Gehenna." This is not a true translation but someone's interpretation.
"The final judgement" is such an awesome statement. My understanding is the Great White Throne judgement is the last one. Not Gehenna.
What are your views?
Bick
"The final judgement" is such an awesome statement. My understanding is the Great White Throne judgement is the last one. Not Gehenna.
What are your views?
Bick
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Gendou Ikari
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Well, I believe in the Universal Reconciliation of All Soul unto God. Again I cannot debate this since that is forbidden my the moderators. But if anybody wants any more information feel free to email me at Neonchaotic@gmail.com
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I believe that this question has been answered in Matthew 22:24-32. Specifically, verse 30, "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven." So, your spouse won't be your spouse anymore, no matter where you both end up.Gendou Ikari said:
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TheScarletPimpernel
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That all depends! The premise is false. You basically choose this side of eternity where your eternal destiny will be. The decision rests with you if you will decide to accept Christ or not. Thus the real question is, would you be married to a non-Christian or not, someone who professes they will never accept Christ.
As it says there will be no marriage in heaven, or giving in marriage, the question of "eternal happiness" with a spouse simply does not apply.
The only marriage in heaven is that between the "bride" which is the church and the groom which is Christ. People aren't married to each other in heaven.
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