Bible Study Hebrews 10:26

[Blake]

This verse eludes me.

"If we go on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins."

I do willingly sin, at times. Not all of my sins are "oops" moments, they are deliberate sins, knowing full well that those sins are wrong.

Here are my questions about this verse: What becomes of the Christian who deliberately sins with full knowledge that he is sinning? And, how do those with the position of eternal security justify this verse? Finally, what do you think this verse means?

 

[reba]

Rom_2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Suggesting you do not hardened your heart to the guilt you feel..

 

[th1b.taylor]

This verse eludes me.

"If we go on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins."

I do willingly sin, at times. Not all of my sins are "oops" moments, they are deliberate sins, knowing full well that those sins are wrong.

Here are my questions about this verse: What becomes of the Christian who deliberately sins with full knowledge that he is sinning? And, how do those with the position of eternal security justify this verse? Finally, what do you think this verse means?

I am OSAS and the question comes into play. As I read the scriptures, the Saved Man no longer plans to sin, end of situation. And scripture does assure us that Jesus will tell many that He never knew them and if we extrapolate that out, did the one planning to sin ever know Him?

 

[jocor]

What becomes of the Christian who deliberately sins with full knowledge that he is sinning?

If they do not repent, they will die an eternal death because they no longer have Yeshua's sacrifice.

And, how do those with the position of eternal security justify this verse?

It cannot be justified which is why I totally reject "eternal security".

Finally, what do you think this verse means?

I believe it refers to a believer who lives a lifestyle of sin. It does not refer to a one time willful sin, but one who practices sin. By doing so, they trample on Yeshua's blood. The Spirit will leave such a person and Messiah's sacrifice will become null and void for them. They will be lost forever.

 

[Corn Pop]

This verse eludes me.

"If we go on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins."

How many people have heard the Word then kept on sinning?. I think this is talking about the people who dont care.

Anyone can have the knowledge and say they believe but do they really believe or carry on as usual.

This is talking about people who have heard but really have rejected in there heart. I know many who have heard and have the knowledge yet reject it.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

How many people have heard the Word then kept on sinning?. I think this is talking about the people who dont care.

Abyine can have the knowledge and say they believe but do they really believe or carry on as usual.

I would agree except that the passage is talking about people who have been sanctified by the blood of Christ. IOW, believers trampling on the blood of Christ that sanctified them, not unbelievers.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

"If we go on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins."

I do willingly sin, at times. Not all of my sins are "oops" moments, they are deliberate sins, knowing full well that those sins are wrong.

The sin being spoken of is the sin of the person with the 'I don't care' attitude about having been forgiven his sins through the blood of Christ. This is not talking about the sin we believers commit in ignorance or weakness or just plain stupidity. Christ has you covered for those. The sin he can't cover is the sin you commit when you no longer care about and believe in his blood to forgive it.

 

[LovethroughDove]

If you sin and don't care because you think the blood will take care of it. If you have sinned after the knowledge of the truth, you should repent and walk towards holiness. Being transformed into the image of Christ.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I think its the one who has the knowledge but rejects it and keeps on sinning.

It is certainly that, but so much more too. Hebrews 6:4-6 speaks of actually being made a partaker of the Holy Spirit and then falling away and there being no possibility for repentance from such a state.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

And, how do those with the position of eternal security justify this verse?

26For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES. 28Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?" (Hebrews 10:26-29 NASB)

There are several ways they do that:

1) They say "there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins" in verse 26 means all your sin is covered, even your willful sin of unbelief, to such a degree, forever, that no sacrifice for sin is necessary for you now.

2) "The fury of the fire" suffered by the one who sins willfully is not the damnation of the wicked but rather the chastisement reserved for the children of God. IOW, this is not a judgment resulting in eternal damnation, but of loss of reward in the kingdom.

3) The passage is talking about unbelievers, not believers.

That is how the passage is interpreted in order to keep it from contradicting OSAS doctrine. But every one of these arguments are easily defeated.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Finally, what do you think this verse means?

I think the passage speaks for itself.
If we trample on the blood of Christ through willful sinning after we have been sanctified by the blood of Christ we will be condemned as the unbeliever we have become (if that's what has happened) and sentenced along with the rest of the unbelievers (God's enemies) to the fires of hell.

 

[JohnDB]

When going over a difficult passage such as this one go back to basic Hermeneutics.

To WHOM was this letter written?
WHEN ( WHAT surrounding actions/events had taken place) was this letter written?
WHAT was the focus(s) of this letter?
WHY was it written?
WHY was it said in the precise manner it was said in? (Was there other writings that this passage alluded to?)
Is the full context of what was being said fully translatable into english?

And where I can tell you the answers it won't mean as much as you coming to the truth on your own.

But as for the planned sins mentioned above...the Prodigal Son story has some disagreement with some of the statements previously made.

But I think you can see that yourself too.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

But as for the planned sins mentioned above...the Prodigal Son story has some disagreement with some of the statements previously made.

God knows when one's sin is the sin talked about in Hebrews 10:26-29, and when it is not. The sin of the servant in the parable of the Unmerciful Servant in Matthew 18:23-35 represents the trampling of God's forgiveness being spoken about in Hebrews 10:26-29, while the sin in the parable of the Prodigal Son does not.

 

[th1b.taylor]

How many people have heard the Word then kept on sinning?. I think this is talking about the people who dont care.

Anyone can have the knowledge and say they believe but do they really believe or carry on as usual.

This is talking about people who have heard but really have rejected in there heart. I know many who have heard and have the knowledge yet reject it.

Yes, they have rejected and were never saved in the first place. These are those that, never under the Grace of God, imagined their salvation and will here those horrible words. "I never knew you." If a man or a woman is saved, eternally saved, they do not ever plan to sin again.

 

[Blake]

I have heard the word and kept on sinning. I haven't met a person who meets the sinless criteria.

 

[th1b.taylor]

I have heard the word and kept on sinning. I haven't met a person who meets the sinless criteria.

Careful there Blake. In your OP you seem to be alluding to the fact that there is the difference between preplanned sin and accidental sin and there is that difference. We know from Paul's teaching that none of us are without sin but we also know from the passages you are seeking to deal with here that the Saved Man does not continue to plan to sin.

Some here get childish when I use life examples but, so be it, I teach from what I know. When I was on stage I went on to the stage Friday and Saturday Nights planning to buy Breakfast for at least one young lady and from there to go home with her to sleep or to escort her to my apartment to lie with her. I had a working plan to sin.

When I converted and took the Holy Spirit into my being, I was just as good playing my musical instruments as I had been the weekend before. When I sang I had the same rich baritone voice that bowled the girls over before I was saved but I entered the Church, a single man, and there was an assortment of ladies inside the Church Building ready to melt into my arms but I did not allow that to happen because I no longer planned to sin and that sin is not an accidental sin!

On occasion a curse word slipped past my lips and under extreme circumstances one might still and that requires me to immediately repent of it but there is, as the verse you're questioning says, no there is no repentance of that plan to sin. You, like I, will never be perfect but if you are still planning to sin and you believe you are saved I suggest you spend much more time in Prayer, Meditation and study of Hebrews and the letters Paul Wrote.

From what you have said here, my best guess is that you got wet! Immersion in water will do that but it does not wash away your sin debt. And getting in some fancy bath tube with your clothes on without repentance will only get a person wet, nothing more. And repentance means you turn the opposite direction. You're not demonstrating the evidence of having done that.

As for other members in any assembly, anywhere, on any Sunday Morning, 98% or better of them are going to Hell. They are in the right place to hear the Gospel but if they do not internalize it, if they have done and if they are doing as you indicate you are doing, they will not be found in Heaven except the Great White Throne Judgment is held there and then they will go to Hell with all my friends I left behind in the bars.

 

[reba]

We can fall deeper when we seek to justify our sins.. Sins which we all have.. Although i do understand degrees of sin .. sin is still sin... and maybe degrees is not the best word to describe sin.. a lie is a lie for sure but to tell the child it will be okay when you really dont know it will is a lie .. to tell a lie to 'get' some one else is worser... that is what i mean by degrees
We all sin and fall short of His glory... We repent we strife to turn away from our sin.. the sin of gluttony is a good illustration...
IF one is a glutton of cake and cookies dont hang out in a bakery... we are to resist . Jas_4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
Ok Lord i will not walk on the bakery side of the street... While i pray for Your power and strength ... ya know less of me and more of Him... ans one day we could stem into the bakery for coffee..

 

[Blake]

Careful there Blake. In your OP you seem to be alluding to the fact that there is the difference between preplanned sin and accidental sin and there is that difference. We know from Paul's teaching that none of us are without sin but we also know from the passages you are seeking to deal with here that the Saved Man does not continue to plan to sin.

Some here get childish when I use life examples but, so be it, I teach from what I know. When I was on stage I went on to the stage Friday and Saturday Nights planning to buy Breakfast for at least one young lady and from there to go home with her to sleep or to escort her to my apartment to lie with her. I had a working plan to sin.

When I converted and took the Holy Spirit into my being, I was just as good playing my musical instruments as I had been the weekend before. When I sang I had the same rich baritone voice that bowled the girls over before I was saved but I entered the Church, a single man, and there was an assortment of ladies inside the Church Building ready to melt into my arms but I did not allow that to happen because I no longer planned to sin and that sin is not an accidental sin!

On occasion a curse word slipped past my lips and under extreme circumstances one might still and that requires me to immediately repent of it but there is, as the verse you're questioning says, no there is no repentance of that plan to sin. You, like I, will never be perfect but if you are still planning to sin and you believe you are saved I suggest you spend much more time in Prayer, Meditation and study of Hebrews and the letters Paul Wrote.

From what you have said here, my best guess is that you got wet! Immersion in water will do that but it does not wash away your sin debt. And getting in some fancy bath tube with your clothes on without repentance will only get a person wet, nothing more. And repentance means you turn the opposite direction. You're not demonstrating the evidence of having done that.

As for other members in any assembly, anywhere, on any Sunday Morning, 98% or better of them are going to Hell. They are in the right place to hear the Gospel but if they do not internalize it, if they have done and if they are doing as you indicate you are doing, they will not be found in Heaven except the Great White Throne Judgment is held there and then they will go to Hell with all my friends I left behind in the bars.

Oh I'm not trying to pander or anything whatsoever, or make excuses for my sins. They are filthy grievous things, and by my merit I deserve hell.

I know that I have been changed by the Lord and I know that He is with me. The sins which I commit are sins that I'm heavily addicted to, but in cooperating with the Holy Spirit and transforming my mind according to the Scriptures, they have less and less of a hold on me. Undoubtedly, many Christians in the churches today, especially those who got saved young or have been cooperating with the Spirit for a very long time, have no such strongholds in their lives. Or they do, but they completely internalize it and hide it under a bushel and pretend they have no problems. I'm not that person. I am a wretch who makes no excuses for it, and if I make it to paradise, it will be because of His grace, not because of my perfect performance. I trust that the author of my faith will be the finisher of my faith, and He who started a work in my life will be the one who brings it to completion, if I readily yield to His work, and remember like John said, less of me, less of me, less of me...

I get where you're coming from 100%. God is a just God. If I died tonight and went to hell, God is God and His will is just. I won't pander.

Maybe the Christian who is fighting his sin, taking a whooping sometimes, but engaged in the battle, will be seen with grace on that day. Or maybe if I'm still fighting these old sins when I die, I'll go to hell.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Oh I'm not trying to pander or anything whatsoever, or make excuses for my sins. They are filthy grievous things, and by my merit I deserve hell.

I know that I have been changed by the Lord and I know that He is with me. The sins which I commit are sins that I'm heavily addicted to, but in cooperating with the Holy Spirit and transforming my mind according to the Scriptures, they have less and less of a hold on me. Undoubtedly, many Christians in the churches today, especially those who got saved young or have been cooperating with the Spirit for a very long time, have no such strongholds in their lives. Or they do, but they completely internalize it and hide it under a bushel and pretend they have no problems. I'm not that person. I am a wretch who makes no excuses for it, and if I make it to paradise, it will be because of His grace, not because of my perfect performance. I trust that the author of my faith will be the finisher of my faith, and He who started a work in my life will be the one who brings it to completion, if I readily yield to His work, and remember like John said, less of me, less of me, less of me...

I get where you're coming from 100%. God is a just God. If I died tonight and went to hell, God is God and His will is just. I won't pander.

Maybe the Christian who is fighting his sin, taking a whooping sometimes, but engaged in the battle, will be seen with grace on that day. Or maybe if I'm still fighting these old sins when I die, I'll go to hell.

But no man, woman or child deserves Hell any more than I, Willis D. Taylor, Sr. do, believe me, I deserve Hell but God called, I answered and I worked on it for a while but I chose to live a holy life and that I cannot do, any more than you can without complete submission to God.

This deserves a note of explanation. Many are they that do not understand the term, holy life. It is impossible for you or I to become God so that element is in file thirteen, right off the bat. No, a holy life is a life such as was lived by Paul, King David and any of the Old Testament prophets. Like us, all of them sinned and David sinned one of those planned sins when he slept with Bathsheba and then murdered her husband and married her.

But the prophets and David turned their live and moved closer to God, they lived a holy life, a life devoted to God and not to nor for themselves. If God has begun a good work in you, yep, He will, indeed, complete it... if you are willing to allow Him to. God is not a Cosmic Bully that is going to force you to go to Heaven, that requires your free will.

God is not constrained by time or space, so He knows if you will or will not submit but He is not going to violate your free will. It is your choice, Heaven or Hell.

 

[JohnDB]

David was a man after God's heart. Uriah was one of those mighty men from the difficult years. In the 53 psalm David prayed not to have the Holy Spirit removed.

Planned sin isn't part of this equation.