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Hello, all.

I am a former evangelical Christian, for about 18 years, but since the summer of 2005 I have consider myself an atheist. I've been looking for a good Christian forum to participate in, and I hope this is the one.

In may ways I'm much more curious about Christianity then when I was a believer, so I am always up for discussions about faith, reason, the Bible, history, science, etc. I think this desire has a few different causes: I have always been a curious person, I like to know what I disagree with because it is a good reality check, and Christianity is a part of me still since I was raised in a Christian home.

So, I hope for some good discussions.

BTW, this is one of the best looking forums I've seen. Give my regards to your design guy or gal.
 
How could a man who claims to have been a Christian for 18 years still be "curious" about Christianty?

You chose to "say in your heart there is no God"?

Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.


Psalms 14:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
 
Nice to meet you too, bibleberean.

bibleberean said:
How could a man who claims to have been a Christian for 18 years still be "curious" about Christianty?

Did you read my previous post? I gave everyone three reasons.

bibleberean said:
You chose to "say in your heart there is no God"?

I didn't choose to say there is no God. I stopped believing in God.

bibleberean said:
Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Psalms 14:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

The Bible insults and vilifies those who disagree with it? I'm sorry, but...yawn.
 
Hi Christopher and welcome to the forum! You're welcome to come, share your thoughts and ask questions. Just keep in mind that we are a Christian forum and we don't allow the promotion of religions other than Christianity and we do consider atheism to be a religion. However, respectful questioning isn't the same as promotion, and I think you'll find most around here ready to give an answer for the hope that is within them.
 
Christopher said:
Hello, all.

Hi Christopher,
Welcome to the forums.

Christopher said:
I am a former evangelical Christian, for about 18 years, but since the summer of 2005 I have consider myself an atheist.

We will all be eager to hear both why you considered yourself to be an evangelical Christian, and why you now consider yourself to be an atheist.
There are many who believe that they are Christian just because they grew up in a Christian home, but never took that leap of faith and became born again; asking Jesus to be Lord of their life.

It has been my experience that there are two denominations among atheist. (Meaning "without God".)
The first, those who do not believe that God exist at all.
The second, those who know God exist, know that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and for whatever reason want Him to leave them alone. Usually that happens when the atheist thinks God should have done something differently, or is mad at Him for some reason.
Which category would you best fit in?

Christopher said:
So, I hope for some good discussions.

Those of us who know the gospel of Jesus Christ will be hoping and praying for more than just good discussions for you. :-D May you come to a saving knowledge of the Lord, and be used by Him in a mighty way.
 
Hi Christopher and welcome.

May your mind be open and your heart not hardened as you discuss our Faith with us. :)
 
Thanks for the greeting, Gabbylittleangel and vic C.

Gabbylittleangel said:
We will all be eager to hear both why you considered yourself to be an evangelical Christian, and why you now consider yourself to be an atheist.
There are many who believe that they are Christian just because they grew up in a Christian home, but never took that leap of faith and became born again; asking Jesus to be Lord of their life.

It has been my experience that there are two denominations among atheist. (Meaning "without God".)
The first, those who do not believe that God exist at all.
The second, those who know God exist, know that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and for whatever reason want Him to leave them alone. Usually that happens when the atheist thinks God should have done something differently, or is mad at Him for some reason.
Which category would you best fit in?

I'm of the first sort; I don't believe that God exists.

It's curious, atheists of the first type would not consider the second type to be atheists. Usually we, those of the first type, define atheism as only "disbelief in God" (theism = belief in God, atheism = disbelief in God.) I think your definition, Gabbylittleangel, is a much older usage. Apparently, early Christians where considered atheists by some Romans because Christians wouldn't worship state gods. They were without god/gods, in this case the Roman deities. With this usage, i.e. without god, an atheist could also be anyone who is not a Christian. I always use atheist in the more narrow sense, i.e. disbelief in God. But enough of my pedantry.

As for me being an evangelical Christian, I attended an Evangelical Free Church, two churchs affiliated with a local EFC congregation, and two Southern Baptist churches, and I held to the EFC's statement of faith. I was brought to faith in Jesus by my father when I was seven. My father used the Navigators' "Bridge Illustration." to explain salvation to me.

My conversion to atheism was a long process, it took around four years. It is hard to summarize, but I'll try to keep it short.

I'm an intellectual person; I have a post graduate degree in mathematics, write computer software for a living, and read philosophy, science, and history books in my spare time. (I say this not to boast, but to explain.) I came to the conclusion, mostly through the writings of Francis Schaeffer, that God was a rational being, that God had made me a rational being, that reason and intellect were to be embraced and not shunned, and that I could discover God largely through reason, or at least the things of God would be consistent with reason. I didn't think everyone should approach God this way, but I believed that God had made me more of a thinker than a feeler (or "intuiter" if you wish) for a reason.

So, I started to reason out my faith, and I failed. The more I learned, the more Christianity didn't make sense to me. I eventually became a naturalist, i.e. I don't believe in the supernatural, and believe that matter, energy, space-time, and the multiverse (if there is such a thing) is all there is. Now, I'd be the first to admit, that maybe rationalism always leads, if you follow where reason takes you, to doubt and then to disbelief. After all, how does one understand the Trinity with reason? Even so, I'm still a rationalist/empiricist.

I hope this answers your questions, Gabbylittleangel.
 
Welcome to the forums Christopher!

Francis Schaeffer is one of my favorite authors.
 
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Yip, I thought about it, and it all adds up, you came here for attention and so far its working. The other thing is, I submit you never knew Jesus... :oops:
 
Christopher said:
Hello, all.

I am a former evangelical Christian, for about 18 years, but since the summer of 2005 I have consider myself an atheist. I've been looking for a good Christian forum to participate in, and I hope this is the one.

In may ways I'm much more curious about Christianity then when I was a believer, so I am always up for discussions about faith, reason, the Bible, history, science, etc. I think this desire has a few different causes: I have always been a curious person, I like to know what I disagree with because it is a good reality check, and Christianity is a part of me still since I was raised in a Christian home.

So, I hope for some good discussions.

BTW, this is one of the best looking forums I've seen. Give my regards to your design guy or gal.

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Which BTW begs the question, how many forums have you seen :o
 
Free said:
Welcome to the forums Christopher!

Francis Schaeffer is one of my favorite authors.

Thanks for the greeting, Free.

I still respect Schaeffer, and I hope re-read some of his books again at some point. Schaeffer seems to be one of those immensely influential authors who most people have never heard of. I mostly draw blank looks from Christians when I mention his books.
 
turnorburn said:
Yip, I thought about it, and it all adds up, you came here for attention and so far its working. The other thing is, I submit you never knew Jesus...

I know it's hard for some Christians to accept the fact that there are people who once genuinely believed, but then lost their belief because an open an honest search for what is true. So, you need to come up with excuses and insults like: I was never really a Christian, and I'm so emotionally unstable that I need some people who frequent one website out of millions to give me attention. Of course, this being the Internet, I could be lying. Don't believe everything you read...I sure don't. But, that doesn't change the fact the people like me, or people like how I described myself, do exist.
 
Christopher said:
turnorburn said:
Yip, I thought about it, and it all adds up, you came here for attention and so far its working. The other thing is, I submit you never knew Jesus...

I know it's hard for some Christians to accept the fact that there are people who once genuinely believed, but then lost their belief because an open an honest search for what is true. So, you need to come up with excuses and insults like: I was never really a Christian, and I'm so emotionally unstable that I need some people who frequent one website out of millions to give me attention. Of course, this being the Internet, I could be lying. Don't believe everything you read...I sure don't. But, that doesn't change the fact the people like me, or people like how I described myself, do exist.

Once genuinely a Christian, excuses and insults, emotionally unstable, needs frequent attention by one in a million, could be lying, doesn't believe what he reads, an atheist and finally, you do exist. Well your right about one thing, its hard to believe :wink:

In His Service,
turnorburn

One question, if Jesus were to come today would you ask his forgiveness and become a Christian?
 
turnorburn said:
Once genuinely a Christian, excuses and insults, emotionally unstable, needs frequent attention by one in a million, could be lying, doesn't believe what he reads, an atheist and finally, you do exist. Well your right about one thing, its hard to believe :wink:

Ok...and?

turnorburn said:
One question, if Jesus were to come today would you ask his forgiveness and become a Christian?

Yes.
 
Christopher said:
turnorburn said:
Once genuinely a Christian, excuses and insults, emotionally unstable, needs frequent attention by one in a million, could be lying, doesn't believe what he reads, an atheist and finally, you do exist. Well your right about one thing, its hard to believe :wink:

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No more questions, you have the floor..

Ok...and?

turnorburn said:
One question, if Jesus were to come today would you ask his forgiveness and become a Christian?

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I hope you do and get a fresh start..

Yes.
 
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