here today gone tomorrow. A third of man kind.?

[veteran]

Then I'll let our Lord reveal it once more...

Rev 16:12-19
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

SIXTH VIAL = PREP FOR ARMAGEDDON


17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.(KJV)

SEVENTH VIAL= GOD'S WRATH UPON THE WICKED = ARMAGEDDON


Rev 11:14-18
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give Thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, Which art, and wast, and art to come; because Thou hast taken to Thee Thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and Thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that Thou shouldest give reward unto Thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear Thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
(KJV)

SEVENTH TRUMPET= CHRIST'S COMING AND GOD'S WRATH UPON THE WICKED


Trying to move the battle of Armageddon prior to the great tribulation is a false doctrine.

 

[johnny botwright]

as mentioned before i do not think we are talking about the same conflict. Armaggedon is at the end, yes fair enough.

many feel the battle that involves pslam 83 ? Gog ? will come before this, Gog for instance comes from the North.

As also mentioned some say the King of the North arrives three and a half years before the Kings of the East. ?

Armaggedon involves the kings of the East, and a third of man kind is slain

are you still saying that there will be no conflict in the middle East concerning Israel, before Armaggedon?
As many feel conflict is at the door?

i posted some time ago, will there be blood shed between the 19th april and the 1st of may, illuminati.
a time when those following satan, have their black sabbath, human sacrifice, sacrifice to their fire god moloch, ect war is an exceptable sacrifice.
then the rig blew up in the mexican rig

then i mentioned, posted one spark, 7 hills, about events in the lake district, hill district, in the uk.
and the mirror image, synchronicity, with Israel.

how a coach over turned in the lakes, then another at johanesbergh, used to be nicked named, jewsberg.

i mentioned in the post will there be blood shed, i was looking for an event around the ivory coast, Africa,
then this tanker over turned, in the congo, near rwanda, which saw the worst explosion of voilence.

so two situations that could overturn and explode the mexican gulf, methane, and the persian gulf, iran,
many now asking is Israel going to bomb Iran, and if they do,
what will be the chain reaction,? Israel now surrounded by missiles.

about Israel, being over whelmed, swallowed up, like a flood in the past, unless the Lord had helped them.
johnny

 

[veteran]

as mentioned before i do not think we are talking about the same conflict. Armaggedon is at the end, yes fair enough.

many feel the battle that involves pslam 83 ? Gog ? will come before this, Gog for instance comes from the North.

As also mentioned some say the King of the North arrives three and a half years before the Kings of the East. ?

Armaggedon involves the kings of the East, and a third of man kind is slain

are you still saying that there will be no conflict in the middle East concerning Israel, before Armaggedon?
As many feel conflict is at the door?

The events of Ezekiel 38 & 39 IS set for the very end, which points to Armageddon, which is on the 7th vial of Rev.16. Ezekiel 40 forward is about Ezekiel's temple, the time of Christ's de facto reign here on earth.

The event of God pouring His cup of wrath upon that army coming out of the north quarters is what ends this world. The tribulation with false messiah has to happen first. So any war in the middleast that helps bring in the ten horned beast rule over all nations per Rev.13:1 is not Ezek.38 - 39. God is Who fights Armageddon for us, raining fire, brimstone and hailstones weighing a talent upon His enemies that try to come upon Israel for a total destruction of His people.

 

[johnny botwright]

not saying you are wrong , but some thing does not add up,

some say Ezekiel 38/39 depicts two battles, one before our Lord Jesus returns, and another is after the thousand year reign of Jesus, and satan is loosened, and again gathers magog and Gog,
from the four quaters.

for the final battle, i can go with that.

you wrote
The event of God pouring His cup of wrath upon that army coming out of the north quarters is what ends this world. ???


but there is a battle 7 months to bury the dead, 7 years weapons for fuel, not the end of the world?

to emphazise one big show down, are you saying this battle is Armaggedon, ?

because those mentioned with Gog, turkey Russia,persia, ethopia, but mainly out of the North, not the East.? ect there is not mention of the Kings of the East.?

like wise pslam 83

again are you saying all is well in Israel, until the battle of Armaggedon,?

When Jesus returns revelations 19.19.?


johnny

 

[Sinthesis]

i mentioned in the post will there be blood shed, i was looking for an event around the ivory coast, Africa,
then this tanker over turned, in the congo, near rwanda, which saw the worst explosion of voilence.

Thank you for making my point. :yes
Superstitious people want to believe, so they will find a way to rationalize their belief in 'whatever' by way of subjectively filtering coincidences into signs after the fact. Get a map and you will see that the Congo/Rwanda border is geographically nearly as far from IvoryCoast as it is from Israel. If you're looking for any tragedy within a greater than 2000mi radius, then no surprise that you find one.

 

[johnny botwright]

Ivory coast, Africa, an event that tied in, synchronicity, a mirror image,

A tanker over turned and explodes, people are engulfed.

oil people myself think of the middle east and present events in the mexican gulf, both representing a situation that could over turn, explode. be triggered, ignite.

The event concerning the tanker in the congo tied in, To the writting thats on the wall.

in Africa they call in a tinder box.
in the areas i have been in there, one day can be peace the next day can be war.

The tanker over turning Right next to Rwanda, I was in Uganda while the slaughter was taking place in Rwanda, while in Africa at that time, is when the Lord tolled me , the storm is coming and the sword is out.

When you have seen and felt such a storm, you never forget it.

some one pulled a trigger , 100 days later over 1,000,000 people had been massacred.
Rwanda seeing the worst explosion of the 20th century, along with the cambodian killing fields.

The unexpected when least expected. one spark, chain reaction.

be as synical as you like,you can take it or leave it. as soon as i heard of the event in the congo, i knew, thats the one.

The sword of the Lord is out, flashing like lighting from East to West, polished for slaughter, Judgement.
johnny

 

[veteran]

not saying you are wrong , but some thing does not add up,

some say Ezekiel 38/39 depicts two battles, one before our Lord Jesus returns, and another is after the thousand year reign of Jesus, and satan is loosened, and again gathers magog and Gog,
from the four quaters.

for the final battle, i can go with that.

Gog and Magog is indeed used to define two battles at two different times, one that happens at the very end of this world at Christ's coming on the day of The LORD, and another one after His thousand years Milennial reign. Both are differently described though. The one to occur at Christ's coming is described in Ezekiel 38 & 39. It is for THIS world we are in today. SPECIFIC nations and areas of the earth are mentioned with that one, and if one looks today, you can see that alignment of nations forming up today.

It's not difficult to grasp that point either with how God shows there a great army coming out of the northern quarters upon Israel in the last days of this world, and God steps in to stop that army, and then the events of Ezekiel's temple happen in the next chapter 40 forward. Ezekiel 44 specifically shows Christ's reign with His elect priests.

But in Rev.20, only the phrase "Gog and Magog" is mentioned, WITH NO SPECIFIC NATION DETAIL.

you wrote
The event of God pouring His cup of wrath upon that army coming out of the north quarters is what ends this world. ???


but there is a battle 7 months to bury the dead, 7 years weapons for fuel, not the end of the world?

to emphazise one big show down, are you saying this battle is Armaggedon, ?

The "valley of Hamongog" of Ezek.39 is a place in Israel where the dead are buried after that great battle of Armageddon. The word Hamongog means 'multitude of Gog'. It's after the fact.

Ezek 39:11
11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.
(KJV)

because those mentioned with Gog, turkey Russia,persia, ethopia, but mainly out of the North, not the East.? ect there is not mention of the Kings of the East.?

like wise pslam 83

again are you saying all is well in Israel, until the battle of Armaggedon,?

When Jesus returns revelations 19.19.?

God says they come upon Israel from the "north parts" per Ezekiel 38:12 and 39:2. Babylon and Assyria were located north and east of Jerusalem. Isaiah 10 shows the king of Assyria coming upon Israel out of the north, heading south to Jerusalem city by city. That's the pattern, as "the Assyrian" is given as a type for Satan himself. The Euphrates was the dividing border between Israel and Babylon, not Israel and China.

Israel, specifically Jerusalem, will be under tribualtion just prior to Armageddon. But it's a tribulation of false worship. Worship of the beast and his image of Rev.13 is the idea of false worship ya know. Am I to assume you're not even aware of those tribulation events our Lord Jesus gave that are to occur PRIOR to His coming to fight Armageddon?

 

[Elvispelvis]

The Lord's Devastation of the Earth

ISA 24:


1 See, the Lord is going to lay waste the earth and devastate it; he will ruin its face

and scatter its inhabitants— 2 it will be the same for priest as for people,

for master as for servant, for mistress as for maid, for seller as for buyer, for borrower as for lender,

for debtor as for creditor. 3 The earth will be completely laid waste and totally plundered.

The Lord has spoken this word.

4 The earth dries up and withers, the world languishes and withers, the exalted of the earth languish.

5 The earth is defiled by its people; they have disobeyed the laws, violated the statutes

and broken the everlasting covenant. 6 Therefore a curse consumes the earth;

its people must bear their guilt.Therefore earth's inhabitants are burned up,

and very few are left.

When I read this chapter I started to tremble.

V 1 The devastation of the earth, scary at best.

When Jesus touches His foot to the Mount of Olives an earthquake happens all over the world.
Not one building standing not one stone left on another is the description of a horrible shaking of the whole earth.

When it says He will destroy the face of the earth, this is a perfect description of
volcanic eruption, earthquakes, changing the surface of the earth, destroying anything in the way of the lava flow. Burning up every thing in its path.

Hot magma from the earth's core devouring people , for they will be burned up in the ensuing fires!
The devastation is so traumatic it scatters the people, even priests, lawyers,bankers,all types perish or flee.
V 3 The whole earth is laid waste, Ezekiel speaks of 7/8 ths of the people who come against Israel, at
ARMAGEDDON will be wiped out burned in fire.
V6 the Earth is cursed with a curse and it consumes the whole earth, all the people are affected, most die.

AND VERY FEW ARE LEFT.

Some say many will be saved at the return of Jesus but the bible paints a different picture!

The old testament contains many future events, prophecy.
Please study the old testament

 

[johnny botwright]

There are different theorys and out lines, even charts to the end times.

I think i would still beg to differ that the Kings of the East and their number is 200 million, who slay, kill a third of men , is spiritual as you claim.

China boasts a land army of 200 million, the mongal armies crossed the plains steps all the way to poland. Some tie China in with Iran, dependant on middle East oil? and along with Russia has provided the tecnology, and arms to the middle East.

quiet how that cookie will crumble is yet to be seen, who will play who, who will back who ect.

God will send a strong delusion, yes the world will go after the beast, take his mark, and worship his image.

Are you saying for instance the kings of the East, and their number is 200 million, slaying a third of men,
could refer to Islam, who convert a third of men, to islam,
but how would this tie in with the world following the beast. islam and the beast?

you also have pslam 83.. Joel chapter 2 an unstopable force, other verses mention a force an army speaking a strange languge? China?
compared to the langages in the middle East?

Veteran are you saying nothing will come of the present build up in the MiddlE East concerning Iran, by Israel and American forces.?

are you saying Israel will see no conflict until Armaggedon , how do you see recent conflicts concerning Israel, 6 day war, Syria, Lebonham ect .
johnny

 

[veteran]

There are different theorys and out lines, even charts to the end times.

I think i would still beg to differ that the Kings of the East and their number is 200 million, who slay, kill a third of men , is spiritual as you claim.

It's not MY claim. It's what our Lord Jesus showed John in Revelation 9. One only has to read it to understand it...

Rev 9:17-19
17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
(KJV)

That's one, two, three times for emphasis our Lord Jesus showed the locust army's power is in their MOUTHS, and not with literal weapons of war. It's what comes out of their MOUTHS that kills the third part of men.

What comes out of the mouth? Words. That's actually what that fire, smoke, and brimstone coming out of their mouths is. And it causes spiritual deception, spiritual death. See the Book of Joel about the locust army working. That's where our Heavenly Father first taught about the locusts of Revelation 9.

Might Red China's army join in with Russia, Libya, Persia, Togarmah, Gomer, and Ethiopia to come up against the mountains of Israel on the last day? Most likely since they are allies, BUT STILL, that's on the very LAST day of this world, the time when Christ returns on the day of The LORD to defeat His enemies, the 7th trumpet timing, the time of the cup of His wrath poured out on them. It's THAT event which ends the tribulation that's to come upon God's people.

But if you want to go and buy all those fantastic sounding doomsday books by the likes of the Hal Lindsay's types, go ahead, but it's foolishness, for all they're doing is playing upon your fears and getting your money. God already foretold us how the tribulation is going to happen, and it's not going to be all out nuclear war, meteorites crashing and utter chaos. This earth shall never be destroyed totally; its surface cleansed of man's works off it yes, but not an utter destruction like some asteroid belt.

 

[johnny botwright]

WHAT CAME OUT OF THEIR TAILS?

IF 2000 YEARS AGO you saw a vision of modern warfare, planes missiles, look at the on slaught when Bagdad was attacked.

how would you describe such an event? helicopters, tanks ect.

if you are saying its about deception, why are only a third of men deceived?

to me slain, killed means slain killed?
dose not say a third of men were delluded? decieved, confused.ect

johnny

 

[veteran]

WHAT CAME OUT OF THEIR TAILS?

IF 2000 YEARS AGO you saw a vision of modern warfare, planes missiles, look at the on slaught when Bagdad was attacked.

how would you describe such an event? helicopters, tanks ect.

if you are saying its about deception, why are only a third of men deceived?

to me slain, killed means slain killed?
dose not say a third of men were delluded? decieved, confused.ect

johnny

I don't think the passage is all that difficult, if we simply stay focused read all of the chapter and let it flow as a whole. Therel indeed are passages in God's Word which declare literal destructions of real armies in battle, but they certainly don't read like the below passages do, especially in the underlined parts...

Rev 9:16-19
16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
(KJV)

Even with the tails idea, that goes back to the first part of the chapter when the locusts are first being described tormenting those not sealed, and were told not to kill them, but only hurt them like how a scorpion stings (Rev.9:4-5; Rev.9:10). How's that a literal war with killing? It's not.

But if one just jumps into Rev.9 pulling out a couple of verses, the idea of all out war with literal armies can easily be applied. But its main message will be missed. So why not just throw away what our Lord showed us there, and much more of His Word IF we're not really interested in listening to what He's showing us? That's the real test, who we choose to listen to.

 

[johnny botwright]

still seems pretty clear to me.

18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.

Also About the river being tried up so they can cross, on route to Israel?

are you saying the kings of the East are not at the battle of Armageddon?

china that has a land army of 200 million, play no part in the end times?
who have no regard for buddists, tibet, hindu, muslim, jew, christain, ect

new American standard revlations chapter 9 - 13 reads army from the East.

Revelations 9 - 20 and the reast of mankind who were not Killed. slain, died.

the 2nd seal, a sword is given to the rider, to take peace from the earth.

the forth seal a fourth of the earth is mentioned.

then we have a third of the sea, a third of the trees, grass, a third of mankind also mentioned.

johnny

 

[veteran]

still seems pretty clear to me.

18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.

By you're willing to see these locusts as a literal modern army with tanks and planes, shows you even recognize that Rev.9 description as symbolic for something else than literal locusts with faces of men breathing mythical dragon fire.

Also About the river being tried up so they can cross, on route to Israel?

are you saying the kings of the East are not at the battle of Armageddon?

Where is that event written there in Rev.9? It's not. Instead, that event of the Euphrates drying up to prepare the way of the kings of the east is in Rev.16 on the 6th vial. But this locust army working is being covered within the 5th and 6th trumpets and 1st and 2nd woe periods.

There's still more events to come on the 6th trumpet - 2nd woe period, all the way to Rev.11:15. Armageddon is a 7th trumpet - 3rd woe timing event, for it's when Christ pours out the cup wrath upon them, destroying the army that tries to come upon Israel at the end of the tribulation. Until Rev.11:15, it's tribulation timing. You do realize the army at the Rev.16 Armageddon event is not successful because of Christ and His angels coming to defeat them don't you?

china that has a land army of 200 million, play no part in the end times?
who have no regard for buddists, tibet, hindu, muslim, jew, christain, ect

new American standard revlations chapter 9 - 13 reads army from the East.

The NIV even uses the idea of mounted troops for Rev.9:16, but I've never heard of a literal military army with tanks and planes fight battles using the power of their MOUTHS.

Rev 9:19
For the power of the horses is in their mouths and in their tails; for their tails are like serpents and have heads; and with them they do harm.
NAS

Revelations 9 - 20 and the reast of mankind who were not Killed. slain, died.

the 2nd seal, a sword is given to the rider, to take peace from the earth.

the forth seal a fourth of the earth is mentioned.

then we have a third of the sea, a third of the trees, grass, a third of mankind also mentioned.

johnny

In Mark 13:7, our Lord Jesus foretold us that as long as we hear of wars and rumours of war, don't be troubled, for the end is not yet. So Armageddon is not on that 2nd seal either.

If you'll look back at the 4th seal, you'll notice the name of the rider on the pale horse is "Death", and then especially that Hell or Haides followed behind him. Who has been given the power of death? That's easy, it's Satan. And why would Hell follow after him? Rev.12:7-9 shows you that, for that particular event of the dragon being cast down to the earth with his angels is for our near future; it was not Satan's casting out of old.

Rev 12:7-13
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Daniel 12:1 is the parallel to this event, and it speaks of a time of trouble on the earth that has never been before, nor ever will be again, the same description our Lord Jesus used in Matt.24 and Mark 13 to mark the great tribulation. At that point, their "place" is no more found in heaven. That means out of the heavenly dimension. There's only two dimensions of existence per God's Word, this earthly and the heavenly. Satan and his angel's "place" is in the heavenly dimension, up until this point, which is still future to us.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

This is why Hell or Haides follows behind "Death" per the 4th seal. It's pointing to Satan and his angels being cast to this earth for the tribulation time. A problem many miss is that not all the seven seal events are in order. For example, the first seal definitely is not the first event of the end times, whether one believes that white horse rider is our Lord Jesus or Satan. But we know the last three trumpets definitely are in order, because of the three woe periods given with them.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

That is a tribulation reference. That has nothing to do with Satan's original rebellion and casting out of old. Christ had not even been born yet at Satan's first casting out. Yet here, we're told Salvation, strength, and the kingdom of God, and the power of His Christ happens in Heaven once Satan is cast out of the heavenly with his angels.

That's what the locust army of Rev.9:16 is referring to. That's what the four angels bound at the river Euphrates is going to loose upon this earth for the tribulation. The devil and his angels are coming here to our earthly dimension, in person. That's how they will prepare the nations and their armies to try and come upon Israel in final for the battle of Armageddon. That's the army loosed on the 6th trumpet in Rev.9, that will take Jerusalem and start the tribulation upon the saints.

But the great gathering to battle by the nations coming to destroy Israel doesn't happen until the 7th vial per Rev.16, which is when Christ returns on the 7th trumpet - 3rd woe to defeat His enemies totally.

It's like I said before, the three woe periods our Lord Jesus gave from the end of Rev.8 through Rev.11:15 cannot be mixed up as to their order of events. They're like anchors that fix the event schedule. But doctrines of men try to mix them up, to their own deception and destruction.

 

[Pard]

I watched a programme about a large lake in Africa, Tan zanier i think, where again i think it was an earth quake tremor that stirred up the bottom of the lake, and released all this trapped at the bottom of the lake, the methane rose, travelled across the water, and the surrounding villages, people died in their sleep, like wise the live stock, as the methane replaced the oxygen.

Sorry, rather late, but I just wanted to comment on something quickly, if no one else has already.

The gases in the bottom of that lake are a mix of CO and CO2, not CH4 (Methane). Those people died of two things. Primarily they died of suffocation because they were breathing to much CO2 and not enough O2. The other thing they died of were sores from the CO.

 

[johnny botwright]

well we are all in range, an illness an epidemic, a heart attack, war, terrorist attack, bio, nuclear,civil unrest, a gang, solar,
accident, climate.weather, famine. comet.economic collapse ect
Also events that can come out of the blue.

people wake up every day, for some they do not see night fall. at the start of the day, it was just another day.

we may live to be 120 years old, or who knows what a day can bring. johnny

 

[Fembot]

 

[johnny botwright]

have you ever seen or been close to death on a large scale, i mean a large scale.
or met know someone who has lost some one very suddenly, unexpectedly.

do you know anyone who has died and know they have gone to a lost eternity?

put them two , you might under stand. johnny

 

[Vic C.]

The way to get people to understand is to lay out thoughts in an orderly and "understandable" fashion.

 

[johnny botwright]

is it so hard to understand , a split second 24 hours can be life or death, heaven or hell,
or the unexpected when least expected.

is it really that hard to under stand. johnny