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The derivation of Yahwah is from the ancient Semitic words HaYah and HaWah.

HaYah means “The Life or The Living.†HaWah means “The Beginning or The happening.†This is a partial list of words associated HaWah: Be, is, was, became, happened and appeared. Yahwah means "Life Began."

During the Babylonian captivity the Hebrew language spoken by the Jews was replaced by the Aramaic language of their Babylonian captors. Aramaic was closely related to Hebrew and, while sharing many vocabulary words in common, contained some words that sounded the same or similar but had other meanings.

In Aramaic, the Hebrew word for “blaspheme†used in Leviticus 24:16, “Anyone who blasphemes the name of YHWH must be put to death†began to be interpreted as “pronounce†rather than “blasphemeâ€. When the Jews began speaking Aramaic, this verse was (mis)understood to mean, “Anyone who pronounces the name of YHWH must be put to death.â€
Since then, observant Jews have maintained the custom of not pronouncing the name, but use Adonai (“my Lordâ€) instead.
This also lead to some believing that God's name is not pronouncable.

After 300 B.C. Adonai became more frequently used than Yahwah. And the Books of Esther, Ecclesiastes, and Song of Solomon do not use the name Yahwah.

Origen reported that when Jews read the name Yahwah, they would pronounce it Adonai, while non Jews would pronounce it Kurios.

Later on, Christian scribes replaced the Hebrew characters in the Greek Bible with Kurios. Scribes translating the Hebrew Bible showed that Yahwah should not be pronounced, but read as Adonai by substituting the Hebrew vowels of Adonai for those of Yahwah when writing the divine name. Later on, readers who did not know this history did not pronounce Yahwah; but neither did they pronounce Adonai, as the scribes intended.
As a result the Middle Ages readers of the Hebrew Bible began pronouncing precisely what was written, and the mixture of consonants from Yahwah and vowels from Adonai, producing the pronunciation of Jehovah, a word that never existed for speakers of ancient Hebrew.

The word "Jehovah" comes from the fact that ancient Jewish texts used to put the vowels of the Name "Adonai" (the usual substitute for YHWH) with the consonants of YHWH to remind people not to pronounce YHWH as written.
A sixteenth century German Christian scribe, while transliterating the Bible into Latin for the Pope, wrote the Name out as it appeared in his texts, with the consonants of YHWH and the vowels of Adonai, and came up with the word JeHoVah.

In Hebrew the word Jahovah can be interpretated as "God's destructive evil desires."

The editors of the Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon write that the pronunciation "Jehovah" was unknown until 1520 when it was introduced by Galatinus; Pietro Colonna Galatino (1460–1530), also known as Petrus Galatinus.

Commentary in the Oxford English Dictionary concerning the letter J. Quote: "The J j types are not used in the Bible of 1611...."

The Encyclopedia Americana wrote the following about the letter J:

"The form of J was unknown in any alphabet until the 14th century."

The name Jehovah is the name of nobody, and the name of Jesus is the name of nobody, because those names did not exist before the 14th century.

Yahwah is the correct transliteration into English, and Yahshua is the correct transliteration into English, because the ancient Semitic language did not use the letter "E" for a vowel. Nor was there the letter J in any name. There is no sound or letter in the middle of those names, that was due to a scribes error.

It is asserted by Philo that only priests might pronounce God's holy name.
Josephus wrote that those who know God's Holy name were forbidden to reveal it.
 
Mujahid Abdullah said:
"The form of J was unknown in any alphabet until the 14th century."

Does this mean ANY language on earth???

So since christians, for centuries have been calling Yaweh, God, and Yeshua, Jesus. Does thatmean they have not been worshiping the God of Abraham???

Or is that argument only valid against Muslims?

its probably different for christians, right?
For Jews and Christians it word be a case of not calling God or Christ by their proper name, where as for Muslims, they are calling upon a known Pagan god. I would rather be a little bit wrong, than in complete error. What ever happen to the Aramaic word Il for God? However, [God / Il] is the name of no one, but is a title.
 
Mujahid Abdullah said:
"The form of J was unknown in any alphabet until the 14th century."

Does this mean ANY language on earth???

So since christians, for centuries have been calling Yaweh, God, and Yeshua, Jesus. Does that mean they have not been worshiping the God of Abraham???

Or is that argument only valid against Muslims?

its probably different for christians, right?


In Hebrew Jesus is spelt: Yod, Shin, Vav, Ayin (Yeshua)

In Greek Jesus is spelt: Iota, Eta, Sigma, Omicron, Upsilon, Sigma (Iesous)

It is only when translated to English that the "J" gets added, OK and the Romance languages. The "J" was not added to the name Jesus UNTIL 500 year agos, when some very smart people began to question the Catholic church and refused to only use a latin Bible, when everyone spoke a different language. That reminds me, the Latin spelling of Jesus is Iesus, and than to English it became Jesus.

The problem is people used transliterations of transliterations of transliterations to arrive ate the name Jesus. If we were to to back to when He was alive and say "Hey Jesus!" He would have no, or very little, idea that we were speaking to Him.

The same goes for Yahweh (Yahwah), which is how the original English version of His name, Jehovah, came to be. This name has only recently been rebuked as the improper spelling and pronunciation of the Lord's name. The reason it has been changed back is because most people do not use the Lord's real name. Where as everyone uses Jesus' name, so it would be very hard to up and change it on people!
 
Mujahid Abdullah said:
Thanks for clearing that up.

Those poor arab christians, thought they were worshipping "The God" this whole time, come to find out it is the name of some pagan god. guess their not gettin into heaven.
It is a matter for Yahwah to judge. They were mislead by those who are politically correct.
 
Mujahid Abdullah said:
Thanks for clearing that up.

Those poor arab christians, thought they were worshipping "The God" this whole time, come to find out it is the name of some pagan god. guess their not gettin into heaven.

Does it matter? The Lord knows if someone confesses Jesus with their heart, no matter what it is they call Him.

I do not get this whole "pagan sun god" argument. Allah means god in whatever language it is. Does it matter if it also referred to a pagan god back in the day? It means god right now, and that is what matters.

Are you aware that the English word, "god" was once what Germanic tribes called the spirit as it left the body? And it also was the first English translation for Zeus. Before 1500s the languages Christians used was Latin. Deus is god in Latin. It also refers to the Greek pantheon...

The etymology of the word "god" says it comes from a Germanic word called "gheu" which means to call or invoke the spirits of a celtic god, they are all pagan.

Hindus who speak English would surely refer to their deities as gods, does this make the word "god" pagan?

Does it matter if allah was referred to a pagan god, but now just means god? Does it matter than deus once was a general refference to any pagan god of the Greeks? Does it matter that the word "god" was once a Germanic word for spirits of the dead, and before that a means of invoking pagan gods?

No, it does not.

M, brother, I understand that you are trying to show Islam for the false religion that it is, but the proper of means of doing so needs to be rooted in the Gospel, and not trying to assert that they worship a sun god, it's bad enough that they worship a separate god from the One True Almighty! If you must resort to showing the falsehood of their religion, make sure it cannot back-fire and be used against Christianity! Though, in truth nothing, not even what I wrote above, can back-fire on the Truth that Lord Jesus set upon this earth!

God bless.
 
mdo757 said:
The name Jehovah is the name of nobody, and the name of Jesus is the name of nobody, because those names did not exist before the 14th century.

Yahwah is the correct transliteration into English, and Yahshua is the correct transliteration into English, because the ancient Semitic language did not use the letter "E" for a vowel. Nor was there the letter J in any name. There is no sound or letter in the middle of those names, that was due to a scribes error.


MDO, by your own account, Yahwah is also contrived from Adonia and is simply a rework of Jehova which would have been pronounced as yahova with the J taking on the Y sound. BTW, Adonia is used in a litergical setting while in more relaxed settings He is called Hashiem. As a side note, G-d aka Elehoim is pronounced as Eli-hey-new in the Hebrew language.

The fear of useing God's devine name YHVH derives from Torah primarily from the Ten commandments from Shemot. Exodus 20:7 You shall not take the name of the Lord, your God, in vain, for the Lord will not hold blameless anyone who takes His name in vain. That being said, I do believe that God's name would be said once a year by the high priest during Yom Kippur within the holy of holies. http://templeinstitute.org

The Holy name of God YHVH is refered to as the Tetragrammation and consists of the four hebrew letters Yud, Hey, Vav Hey.

Each character takes on it's own identity and combined they form a picture of who God is. As God has many faucets, so does his name YHVH. Much like God Almighty, which is the Aleph (strength) and the Lamed (shepherd staff) which forms a picture of a strong shepherd, it also takes no the attributes of the duties of a good shepherd who protects, leads and guides it's flock. Thus, the name of God, YHVH is also a combination of ideas which btw, if you look at the Hebrew language, every letter without exception has a Yud, or is a variation of the yud within it.

When one realizes the significance of the yud, it is no wonder why God's name begins with a yud, as the yud is in all things.
 
You are confusing name titles with personal names. There is a difference. Allah is a personal name of a Pagan god, it is not a name title as taught by the Arabs. Allah is the contracted form from Alilah, which is the phase of the morning sun. This is the original transliteration of Al/il/ah. The/god/ascends.
 
mdo,

I am curious to ask. But if Elohim is the name the Hebrews used, why do we as English speaking people translate that word as God when we refer to Elohim?

In other words, what makes the word God any different for English speaking Christians than the word Allah for Arab speaking Christians?
 
Yahwah reveals His name to Moses
Exodus 3:13-15.

13 And Moses said to Elohiym, “Suppose I go to the siblings of the Israelites and say to them, 'The Elohiym of your forefathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?†(Elohiym means, “God of The Living.â€) It can also be translated as “god-s of the living†or “god-s of life;†for those who have life immortal.
14 And Elohiym said to Moses, “The Living that Lives. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'The Living has sent me to you.†(HaYah) in the ancient Semitic language means: The Living, or The Life.)
15 And Elohiym also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, 'Yahwah, the Elohiym of your forefathers; the Elohiym of Abraham, the Elohiym of Isaac and the Elohiym of Jacob has sent me to you.' That’s my name forever, the name by which I’m to be remembered, from generation to generationâ€
 
mdo757 said:
Yahwah reveals His name to Moses
Exodus 3:13-15.

13 And Moses said to Elohiym, “Suppose I go to the siblings of the Israelites and say to them, 'The Elohiym of your forefathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?†(Elohiym means, “God of The Living.â€) It can also be translated as “god-s of the living†or “god-s of life;†for those who have life immortal.
14 And Elohiym said to Moses, “The Living that Lives. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'The Living has sent me to you.†(HaYah) in the ancient Semitic language means: The Living, or The Life.)
15 And Elohiym also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, 'Yahwah, the Elohiym of your forefathers; the Elohiym of Abraham, the Elohiym of Isaac and the Elohiym of Jacob has sent me to you.' That’s my name forever, the name by which I’m to be remembered, from generation to generation.â€

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Hi

Titles

1. Lord

2. God
 
mdo757 said:
Yahwah reveals His name to Moses
Exodus 3:13-15.

13 And Moses said to Elohiym, “Suppose I go to the siblings of the Israelites and say to them, 'The Elohiym of your forefathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?†(Elohiym means, “God of The Living.â€) It can also be translated as “god-s of the living†or “god-s of life;†for those who have life immortal.
14 And Elohiym said to Moses, “The Living that Lives. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'The Living has sent me to you.†(HaYah) in the ancient Semitic language means: The Living, or The Life.)
15 And Elohiym also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, 'Yahwah, the Elohiym of your forefathers; the Elohiym of Abraham, the Elohiym of Isaac and the Elohiym of Jacob has sent me to you.' That’s my name forever, the name by which I’m to be remembered, from generation to generation.â€

Hello again mdo.

Interesting translation into English. This is how the Jews translate that verse from their native tongue.
14. God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'"

While I am familiar with this text, I would like to know how you view this text.
Do you think that Abram knew of the name YHVH?
How about Isaac?
Jacob?

As you know, the Hebrew language is Semitic and both share the word El and Elohim, yet both have different meanings all together as they each point to different heads of the Pantheon within the ancient near east.
Here is a quick site that reflects those differences.
http://www.xenos.org/classes/papers/aneidola.htm

With this in mind, I would suggest that YHVH was known to Abram, Isaac and Jacob, but they had not experienced YHVH. What we see in the Exodus, is YHVH establishing himself amongst Egypt and the known world. Egypt was the first, and most powerful Empire recorded in early history.

If you enjoy the Ancient Near Eastern texts, I would like to suggest Ancient Near Eastern Texts by Pritchard. It is a very good collection of many rare texts from the area.
 
Mysteryman said:
mdo757 said:
Yahwah reveals His name to Moses
Exodus 3:13-15.

13 And Moses said to Elohiym, “Suppose I go to the siblings of the Israelites and say to them, 'The Elohiym of your forefathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?†(Elohiym means, “God of The Living.â€) It can also be translated as “god-s of the living†or “god-s of life;†for those who have life immortal.
14 And Elohiym said to Moses, “The Living that Lives. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'The Living has sent me to you.†(HaYah) in the ancient Semitic language means: The Living, or The Life.)
15 And Elohiym also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, 'Yahwah, the Elohiym of your forefathers; the Elohiym of Abraham, the Elohiym of Isaac and the Elohiym of Jacob has sent me to you.' That’s my name forever, the name by which I’m to be remembered, from generation to generation.â€

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Hi

Titles

1. Lord

2. God
Correct. Almighty, God, Elohiym, Father, Holy Spirit, and ect. Those are all titles and not a personal name. Yahwah is the only personal name made known to us.
 
StoveBolts said:
Hello again mdo.

Interesting translation into English. This is how the Jews translate that verse from their native tongue.
14. God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'"

While I am familiar with this text, I would like to know how you view this text.
Do you think that Abram knew of the name YHVH?
My answer: No, not according to scripture. They did not know Him by that name Yahwah.

With this in mind, I would suggest that YHVH was known to Abram, Isaac and Jacob, but they had not experienced YHVH. What we see in the Exodus, is YHVH establishing himself amongst Egypt and the known world. Egypt was the first, and most powerful Empire recorded in early history.
My answer: Abraham knew Yahwah, but not by His personal name.


14. God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'"
My answer: That is a KJV, the NIV has it as [ha Yah.] Throughout scriptures Life, and the foundation of Life hawhay is Yahwah, that is what is emphasised.
 
mdo757 said:
Mysteryman said:
mdo757 said:
Yahwah reveals His name to Moses
Exodus 3:13-15.

13 And Moses said to Elohiym, “Suppose I go to the siblings of the Israelites and say to them, 'The Elohiym of your forefathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?†(Elohiym means, “God of The Living.â€) It can also be translated as “god-s of the living†or “god-s of life;†for those who have life immortal.
14 And Elohiym said to Moses, “The Living that Lives. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'The Living has sent me to you.†(HaYah) in the ancient Semitic language means: The Living, or The Life.)
15 And Elohiym also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, 'Yahwah, the Elohiym of your forefathers; the Elohiym of Abraham, the Elohiym of Isaac and the Elohiym of Jacob has sent me to you.' That’s my name forever, the name by which I’m to be remembered, from generation to generation.â€

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Hi

Titles

1. Lord

2. God
Correct. Almighty, God, Elohiym, Father, Holy Spirit, and ect. Those are all titles and not a personal name. Yahwah is the only personal name made known to us.

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Hi mdo

Actually, no , its not his name. "YHWH" or "Yahwah" is his -- charector, or to say, who he is. God being made known by His character, not by His name.

How many times do we see the phrase/words - "Thus saith the Lord God" , where this word "God" is "yahwah", is used ?

If you would study more of the places where "YHWH" or "Yahwah" is used, you will notice God speaking or God commanding, or making comment about himself. Here are two examples - Malachi 1:1 - "The burden of the word of the Lord to Israel by Malachi" ---- Here is another , next verse - Malachi 1:2 - "I have loved you, saith the Lord" < "Yahwah"
 
mdo said:
My answer: No, not according to scripture. They did not know Him by that name Yahwah.
My answer: Abraham knew Yahwah, but not by His personal name.

So, your saying that yud hey vav hey (YHVH) was never pronounced by Abram? What text would you use to confirm this? Exodus 6:1-3? If 6:1-3 is your supportive text, then I would encourage you to understand what yud-hey-vav-hey reveals because it is much, much more than a name.

One thing you will find in the hebrew language, is that it is multi dementional. For example, we have the letter A and it sounds like an A, and we can use it in words like apple. But if we take the letter a, and stick it out there, it really doesn't mean anything all by it's self.

However, if you look at the Hebrew language, again, it's multi dementional. Take for example the Aleph. As you can see, it consists of 5 letters, but in it's earliest depiction, it was, and still does take on the picture of an ox's head. Unlike the letter A, that makes no sense hung out there on it's own, the Aleph can stand alone and represent a faucet of ideas, including numerical.

With this in mind, what does yud-hey-vav-hey (YHVH) mean?
 
mdo said:
Stovebolts said:
14. God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'"
My answer: That is a KJV, the NIV has it as [ha Yah.] Throughout scriptures Life, and the foundation of Life hawhay is Yahwah, that is what is emphasised.

Umm... The version I posted above is a conservative Jewish translation by the Jews. Additionally, both the KJV and NIV have it as ha Yah because in native hebrew it's a hey-yud-hey. The difference in ha-Yah and Ehyeh is of no importance.

Yud-hey-vav-hey (tetragammaion aka YHVH) is not hey-yud-hey (ha-Yah) but I agree, they are related.
 
Why does God's name have to have a meaning to it? My name is Ian, it means "gift from God", but most people have no idea it means that, and my name is just what I am called. Why is it God's name has to be any different? Maybe YHWH means something, but so does my name! Can't His name just be a normal name?

Also, we assume it has to mean something because Hebrew is such a complex language. Well, do you really think God speaks Hebrew? What did He speak before Hebrew? I would think God's name is something entirely different and perhaps YWHW is just a transliteration of His name in Hebrew...
 
Hi Pard,

Good questions :-)

God has been revealing himself to his creation as we've been able to grasp him and likeMujahid Abdullah and Hervey (Mysteryman) have stated, YHVH denotes the Eternal's attributes.

The Hebrews were very, very in touch with their surroundings. They were close to the earth as they depeneded on it for their ver survival, and they were very aware of how things worked around them. I've used the example of the Aleph and the Lamed which translates as "God Almighty" because it's the simpliest to understand out of all of God's names (attributes).

So while "God" may be defined as a "title", it is much, much more than a title because first and formost, it's an attribute that represents "The Eternal" which denotes no beginning, and no end. In conjunction with the attribute Eternal, it also carrries attributes of supreem ruler, and creator of everything. In the case of authority, the Eternal is above every thing else. The Eternal is sovergn.

Now then, look at Genesis 1, and you will see that "Lord" is not mentioned anywhere in the text. Only "God" is mentioned. Take note of the tone that Genesis 1 takes. God says it, and it is so. Pretty straight up.
LORD on the other hand is always associated in conjuntion with how The Eternal interacts with his creation as these are two different aspects of the same diety. This is seen very clearly in Genesis 2 because in Genesis 1 it is God who creates humanity, but in Genesis 2, it is the Lord who breaths into humanity the breath of life. Thus, the Eternal is sovergn and YHVH interacts within that sovernty.

With this as a spring board, YHVH starts with a yud, which is the smallest character in the Hebrew alphabet. In it's earliest form it took on the form of an arm with a closed hand and took on the meaning of work and worship. If you look at the hebrew alphabet, the yud is present in every letter because the Eternal is working in all things and is in every human being. The Yud, is the spark you might say.

The hey is dipicted in it's earliest form as a man with his arms raised and takes on the simpliest meaning of breath, or breathing. The yud can be seen on the top left corner because everything starts with a yud.

The Vav is a Yud that has been stretched and takes the earliest form of a tent peg which holds a tent. In it's simpliest form it means to secure.

String it together.. Yud-hey-vav-hey and you start to see what the ancients saw and tried to describe. Say it out loud, and you'll find that when you say the yud-hey, your breathing in. When you say the vav-hey, your breathing out. Yud-hey-vav-hey when spoken takes on the form of breathing as well...

This is far from a complete picture of YHVH, but from a historical aspect it is how the Eternal decided to reveal himself to His people, and it was how they expressed their understanding of who the Eternal was.

As far as the Aleph, it is two Yud's and a Vav. One yud on top reaching down, one yud on the bottom reaching up and a Vav in the middle.
 
Yahwah reveals His name to Moses
Exodus 3:13-15.

13 And Moses said to Elohiym, “Suppose I go to the siblings of the Israelites and say to them, 'The Elohiym of your forefathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?†(Elohiym means, “God of The Living.â€) It can also be translated as “god-s of the living†or “god-s of life;†for those who have life immortal.
14 And Elohiym said to Moses, “The Living that Lives. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'The Living has sent me to you.†(HaYah) in the ancient Semitic language means: The Living, or The Life.)
15 And Elohiym also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, 'Yahwah, the Elohiym of your forefathers; the Elohiym of Abraham, the Elohiym of Isaac and the Elohiym of Jacob has sent me to you.' That’s my name forever, the name by which I’m to be remembered, from generation to generation.â€
  • There is no J in the first part of His name, that letter is only about 500 years old. There is no V in his name, that is a Germanic influence on the Hebrew language that took place about 800 AD to 1200 AD. There is no letter or sound between the first and last part of His name; that is do to a scribes error. There is no letter E in His name, because the ancient Hebrew did not use the letter E for a vowel. His name is Yahwah, because He Himself says so. The use of "I'am" is a cult teaching. There is no word "I'am" in Hebrew. There is no words "let us," that is an interpretation for the "Royal [We]" referring to ones self. The translation I gave is correct; I'am not a member of any cult or secret society. I do not believe in misleading people about Gods only personal name that he made known to Moses.
 
mdo,
You seem bent on Gods name being Yahwah and I'm failing to see your argument, let alone the significance you placing upon Yahwah beyone that.

I've included a link with a biblical timeline for reference.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/study/pa ... /index.cfm

Anyway, you seem to say that Abram had never heard of YHVH. However, here is an archeological find from the Moabites from around the 9th century BC which pre-dates Noah, thus pre-dates Abram. Please see above biblical timeline.

Abram did indeed know of the name YHVH also known and refered to as the tetragrammaton. I would suggest you re-visit the texts in Exodus with a different perspective. In all fairness mdo, the first time I ran across those texts I too came to a similar conclusion until I began to understand the significance of the Eternal's name.

Here is a site that does a good job explaining the Moabite stone with a commentary on what is said about YHVH.

http://www.bible-history.com/resource/ff_mesha.htm

Moabite Stone said:
"Yahweh"
One important note that is often overlooked is the mention of Yahweh in verse 18 of the Mesha inscription. It appears that king Mesha knew about the Israleite God Yahweh and says he took "the vessels of Yahweh and presented them before the face of Chemosh" his god.

Here is a copy of the letters on the Moabite stone which reads YHVH.

[attachment=1:e68uutx9]yhwh-moabite.gif[/attachment:e68uutx9]

This would be 1st century writing of the name YHVH in Hebrew.
Unlike the english language, Semetic languages read right to left.
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