History of God's Name

[stovebolts]

Anyway, you seem to say that Abram had never heard of YHVH. However, here is an archeological find from the Moabites from around the 9th century BC which pre-dates Noah, thus pre-dates Abram. Please see above biblical timeline.

Edit:
Ok, so I got ahead of myself without thinking I hate it when I do that

The chart I posted showed the 9th centruy being between 3204 and 3104 BC. and I didn't stop to think... uuhhh, I hate it when I do that....

The Moabites came from Lot when Lot's daughters had sex with him. (Genesis 19:36) Man, I'm kicking myself cause I knew that duh. So what I posted above about the Moabite's pre-dating Noah was not correct and I can't believe I was that quick to post that based on http://www.mhccorp.com/archaeology/deca ... maton.html

Which of course isn't a reference to the 9th century from http://www.blueletterbible.org/study/pa ... /index.cfm,
But referes to around 830 BC, not 3100. Now I'm curious as to why the blue letter bible has the 9th century at 3100 bc Just goes to prove that we shouldn't just google a biblical timeline and like a droid automatically assume something and throwing what we already know to be true out the door :gah , I seriously need a cup of coffee.

Has anyone else made a stupid mistake like this before

 

[Mysteryman]

Hi Jeff:

When we look back in Genesis we read the commentary , before we read the actual words spoken by God unto Abram. Like in Gen. 12:1. What Abram heard, was the words spoken - "Get thee out of thy country " etc. Again in verse 7 - "Unto thy seed will I give this land:

The commentary states - "the Lord had said" or "the Lord appeared unto Abram, and said"

When we get to verse 8 , we first notice that Abram - "called upon the name of the Lord". Can we be absolutely sure that at that moment in time Abram called upon the Lord by name ? I do not believe this to be true. I believe that YHWH (or Yawah) can easily be expressed as - "He" or "Him , a pronoun rather than a noun. Or to say, "He or Him, who told me"

God talks to Abram again in Gen. 13:15 and 16 , as God refers to himself as -- "I"

 

[stovebolts]

Hi Hervey,

I understand what you're saying, but I would ask that you take a look at what the text is doing in Genesis 12 and hopefully you'll find it is a picture of the Exodus beginning with Abram leaving Ur (pagan) to what brought the Abram / Israelites into Egypt (famine) right down to the plagues and plundering of the Egyptians to the Egyptians driving Abram / Israelites and his family out of Egypt. Thus, as Solomon says, “There is nothing new under the sunâ€.

Overlay this narrative with Exodus 3 and 6, and you’ll see That Abram called upon the name of YHVH in regard and as a response to the Promise because Abram was already in the land. However, from the time of the building of Abram's lack of faith by going into Egypt till the time the Israelites came out of Egypt, God was known as “God Almighty†(The great shepherd who guides, corrects and protects) because the Promise had not yet been fulfilled and now Isreal will know the Eternal not only as the great shepherd, but also as He who keeps his promise. They will now know the Eternal as Yahweh.

Now then, I know I am assuming much here, but the Israelites anticipated this to happen because God had said to Abram that Israel would be captive for 400 years (Genesis 15), and with the Moses on the scene, we're already at 430 years.

Thus Moses asks, "and they shall say to me, What is his name? What shall I say unto them?"

Why would they ask this question?... think about it.

Can you see this?

Thanks

 

[stovebolts]

BTW, in Genesis 13:15 and 16, Abram has been driven out of Egypt and is back in the "Land" when the Eternal repeats his promise to Abram.

This is the part of the Story / Promise that the Israelites anticipated for themselves.

 

[Mysteryman]

Hi Hervey,

I understand what you're saying, but I would ask that you take a look at what the text is doing in Genesis 12 and hopefully you'll find it is a picture of the Exodus beginning with Abram leaving Ur (pagan) to what brought the Abram / Israelites into Egypt (famine) right down to the plagues and plundering of the Egyptians to the Egyptians driving Abram / Israelites and his family out of Egypt. Thus, as Solomon says, “There is nothing new under the sunâ€.

Overlay this narrative with Exodus 3 and 6, and you’ll see That Abram called upon the name of YHVH in regard and as a response to the Promise because Abram was already in the land. However, from the time of the building of Abram's lack of faith by going into Egypt till the time the Israelites came out of Egypt, God was known as “God Almighty†(The great shepherd who guides, corrects and protects) because the Promise had not yet been fulfilled and now Isreal will know the Eternal not only as the great shepherd, but also as He who keeps his promise. They will now know the Eternal as Yahweh.

Now then, I know I am assuming much here, but the Israelites anticipated this to happen because God had said to Abram that Israel would be captive for 400 years (Genesis 15), and with the Moses on the scene, we're already at 430 years.

Thus Moses asks, "and they shall say to me, What is his name? What shall I say unto them?"

Why would they ask this question?... think about it.

Can you see this?

Thanks

Hi Jeff:

I fully understand what your saying here. But the simple truth , is that YHWH or Yahwah only means - "he who is". This one word sums up all of God's attributes. But it is not his actual name. God kept his actual name secret unto mankind. But God revealed himself by way of his attributes.

The reason "YHWH" was translated - "Lord", is because of the total lack of knowing His name. So they gave this word (he who is) the title Lord, or - the Lord God.

Just as my discussion on the Jeremiah 16:21 thread, "YHWH" is used at the end of this verse. Or here within this thread the mention of Moses and Moses asking God if the children of Israel ask who sent me, to tell them that "YHWH sent me unto you -- he who is, is who he is sent unto you, or as our translations have it - I Am, that I AM, and say to them - "I AM, sent me unto you". I prefer the - "he who is, is who he is" .

Both Isaiah 12:2 and 26:4 give good examples. (YHWH)

12:2
1. My stength
2. My song
3. My salvation

26:4
1. Everylasting strength

Another one is Exodus 15:2 & 3 - "The Lord is my strength and song , and he is become my salvation : he is my God, and I will prepare him an habitation : my father's God, and I will exalt him" --- "The Lord (YHWH) is a man of war: the Lord (YHWH) is his name"

And in case your interested - Isaiah 26:5 is an example of your comment of heaven coming down to earth. But notice closely the word -- "he" -- in the verse. Which I also underlined in Exodus 15:2 & 3.

For a full understanding read Isaiah chapter 26 from verse one, and read carefully , and when you come to verse 13 it should become clear to you that the title is more important to God by His expression than his name. Verse 13 - " O Lord our God ", other lords beside thee have had dominion over us : but by thee only will we make mention of thy name". Lord = YHWH = he who is

 

[JudaicChristian]

Yes, the Moabite Stone was written long after Abram and Moses. I checked my Strong's and NIV Exhaustive Concordance and I found that Abram did not call God by the name Yahwah. And do not forget, it is Moses talking about Abram. It's coffee time guys, I need some ambition. :amen

 

[JudaicChristian]

PS: There is no Hebrew word "I am", only "I". That is a cult thing from secret societies. "The Living that Lives" is a correct translation. Check the NIV Exhaustive Concordance. The Strong's gives the wrong translation.

 

[stovebolts]

Hi Jeff:

When we get to verse 8 , we first notice that Abram - "called upon the name of the Lord". Can we be absolutely sure that at that moment in time Abram called upon the Lord by name ? I do not believe this to be true. I believe that YHWH (or Yawah) can easily be expressed as - "He" or "Him , a pronoun rather than a noun. Or to say, "He or Him, who told me"

God talks to Abram again in Gen. 13:15 and 16 , as God refers to himself as -- "I"

tell them that "YHWH sent me unto you -- he who is, is who he is sent unto you, or as our translations have it - I Am, that I AM, and say to them - "I AM, sent me unto you". I prefer the - "he who is, is who he is" .
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But notice closely the word -- "he" -- in the verse. Which I also underlined in Exodus 15:2 & 3.
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Lord = YHWH = he who is

Well Hervey, just when I thought I’d seen everything he he. Ya keep me on my toes for sure LOL.

So as I chuckle, I’m not sure I’m buying into the idea that “ LORD = YHVH = he who is†based on a shuffling of a noun to a pronoun. But I did get a chuckle playing this little game because by the same shuffle, God = Elohim = "Them that are†since Elohim is plural. See, there is a trinity LOL

Seriously though, I’m not sure how to respond, so I’ll just leave it there.

But anyway, this does give me a springboard, so I’ll leave you and everyone else in this thread with these final thoughts. I do hope you enjoy them.

God has been revealing himself for centuries to his most beloved creation much in the same way he reveals himself to individuals each and every day of our lives. He takes us where we are at and he grows us, just as he did with Israel when he took them out of Egypt. As Israel matured in the care of the Eternal, they were able to grasp more of God’s very nature and attempted to write what they were able to comprehend for our benefit. If there is one thing the ancients knew, was how to put things into perspective, and they did it eloquently for those who were able to see.

One thing they realized, is that God had a spirit, and they called this spirit the Ruach which we see in Genesis 1 where God’s Ruach moved over the waters. Ruach takes on the form of wind, or breath so when the wind blew, God’s Ruach is present. Thus, the whole earth is alive, growing and inhaling and exhaling, because God’s very Spirit is active in his creation.

What brought me to say this Hervey is the song that Moses and the Israelites sung in Exodus 15 which you earlier quoted a portion. You see Hervey, if you go down a few more verses they said of YHVH< Exodus 15:8 And with the blast (Ruach) of thy nostrils the waters were gathered together, the floods stood upright as an heap, and the depths were congealed in the heart of the sea.

Now then, if we go back to chapter 14 to the account recorded it states: Exodus 14:21 And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind (Ruach) all that night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided.

This “Strong East Wind†Hervey, was the very Spirit of God made manifest, whom is YHVH, and is expressed through the divine name of YHVH. I would ask that you meditate and pray over these thoughts.

In summary, although “he who is†is certainly an aspect of what encompasses a portion the tetragammation, it certainly isn’t as you’ve said, “only means..â€.

Have a great 4th of July weekend Hervey.

 

[Mysteryman]

Hi Jeff:

When we get to verse 8 , we first notice that Abram - "called upon the name of the Lord". Can we be absolutely sure that at that moment in time Abram called upon the Lord by name ? I do not believe this to be true. I believe that YHWH (or Yawah) can easily be expressed as - "He" or "Him , a pronoun rather than a noun. Or to say, "He or Him, who told me"

God talks to Abram again in Gen. 13:15 and 16 , as God refers to himself as -- "I"

tell them that "YHWH sent me unto you -- he who is, is who he is sent unto you, or as our translations have it - I Am, that I AM, and say to them - "I AM, sent me unto you". I prefer the - "he who is, is who he is" .
**************************************************************************************************************************
But notice closely the word -- "he" -- in the verse. Which I also underlined in Exodus 15:2 & 3.
**************************************************************************************************************************
Lord = YHWH = he who is

Well Hervey, just when I thought I’d seen everything he he. Ya keep me on my toes for sure LOL.

So as I chuckle, I’m not sure I’m buying into the idea that “ LORD = YHVH = he who is†based on a shuffling of a noun to a pronoun. But I did get a chuckle playing this little game because by the same shuffle, God = Elohim = "Them that are†since Elohim is plural. See, there is a trinity LOL

Seriously though, I’m not sure how to respond, so I’ll just leave it there.

But anyway, this does give me a springboard, so I’ll leave you and everyone else in this thread with these final thoughts. I do hope you enjoy them.

God has been revealing himself for centuries to his most beloved creation much in the same way he reveals himself to individuals each and every day of our lives. He takes us where we are at and he grows us, just as he did with Israel when he took them out of Egypt. As Israel matured in the care of the Eternal, they were able to grasp more of God’s very nature and attempted to write what they were able to comprehend for our benefit. If there is one thing the ancients knew, was how to put things into perspective, and they did it eloquently for those who were able to see.

One thing they realized, is that God had a spirit, and they called this spirit the Ruach which we see in Genesis 1 where God’s Ruach moved over the waters. Ruach takes on the form of wind, or breath so when the wind blew, God’s Ruach is present. Thus, the whole earth is alive, growing and inhaling and exhaling, because God’s very Spirit is active in his creation.

What brought me to say this Hervey is the song that Moses and the Israelites sung in Exodus 15 which you earlier quoted a portion. You see Hervey, if you go down a few more verses they said of YHVH< Exodus 15:8 And with the blast (Ruach) of thy nostrils the waters were gathered together, the floods stood upright as an heap, and the depths were congealed in the heart of the sea.

Now then, if we go back to chapter 14 to the account recorded it states: Exodus 14:21 And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind (Ruach) all that night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided.

This “Strong East Wind†Hervey, was the very Spirit of God made manifest, whom is YHVH, and is expressed through the divine name of YHVH. I would ask that you meditate and pray over these thoughts.

In summary, although “he who is†is certainly an aspect of what encompasses a portion the tetragammation, it certainly isn’t as you’ve said, “only means...â€.

Have a great 4th of July weekend Hervey.

Hi Jeff:

One quick note :

The word "he" in Exodus 15:2 is the Hebrew word - "zeh" , which means -- "This one" , which refers back to YHWH in the verse.

So here is how the verse reads - Exodus 15:2 - "The Lord (charecter / attribute) -( he who is) - my strength and song, and he is become my salvation : he is my God (elohim - object of worship), and I will prepare him an habitation: my father's God, and I will exalt him"

Have a great weekend and fourth !

Hervey

 

[Sinthesis]

• Rev 19:12 - His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

I have the image of a flock of sheep arguing amongst themselves as to which variation of "baa's" denotes the correct name of their Shepherd. Wonderful then that the Good Shepherd knows His sheep, and comes regardless of the "baa" they use to call on Him. :D

 

[JudaicChristian]

• Rev 19:12 - His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

I have the image of a flock of sheep arguing amongst themselves as to which variation of "baa's" denotes the correct name of their Shepherd. Wonderful then that the Good Shepherd knows His sheep, and comes regardless of the "baa" they use to call on Him. :D

So then, if we are calling Yahwah by the name Satan, then there is no need to worry, because He knows we are talking to Him?
John 4:22
You Samaritans worship [what / whom] you do not know; we worship [what / whom] we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.

 

[Sinthesis]

• Rev 19:12 - His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

I have the image of a flock of sheep arguing amongst themselves as to which variation of "baa's" denotes the correct name of their Shepherd. Wonderful then that the Good Shepherd knows His sheep, and comes regardless of the "baa" they use to call on Him. :D

So then, if we are calling Yahwah by the name Satan, then there is no need to worry, because He knows we are talking to Him?
John 4:22
You Samaritans worship [what / whom] you do not know; we worship [what / whom] we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.

Curious that in the very next verse, Jesus Christ Himself doesn't use "Yahwah".

• Jhn 4:23 - But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

The point is we can't know God's true name, but He does reveal His nature to us. The Samaritans could not know God's true nature from their history; that truth had been reserved to the Jews throughout the Old Testament. Jesus then demonstrated God's nature to the Samaritans, and made believers of many of them.

 

[stovebolts]

I have the image of a flock of sheep arguing amongst themselves as to which variation of "baa's" denotes the correct name of their Shepherd. :D

I prefer to call it rambling :biglaugh

 

[Mysteryman]

Simon Bar Jonas or Peter ?

YHWH or Yahwah or Yaweh or Jehovah ?

Saul or Paul -- Paul , meaning least or small. This is why Paul said, I am the least to be called an Apostle.


The name Peter is a reflection of who Simon was -- a small pebble that could easily be swayed one way or another = blown about. An attribute of Simon's.

God kept His name secret, so the calling of the Lord God Almighty either of the above is insignificant, because of the attributes of God being the prime principle here !

 

[jasoncran]

simeon means to listen, i hope you know that, and peter was the first to speak in the book acts, on the gifts, and what the event of pentacost was.

 

[Mysteryman]

simeon means to listen, i hope you know that, and peter was the first to speak in the book acts, on the gifts, and what the event of pentacost was.

Hi Jason :

I think you meant to spell Peter's name ---- Simon, and yes, Simon means to hear or listen.

But the attributes of God are all summed up in one name/word - YHWH or Yahwah

"Ya" means - God

"Yahwah" means -- "he who is" = all of His attributes, not just one of His attributes, but all of them.

 

[jasoncran]

yahweh, that has more than that, ah i think it means, the God of many names, a allusion to the many covenant names that he has been called by the hebrew

ie

jehovah-jireh
jehovah-shalom
jehovah-shaddai
and el shaddai
elohim
Lord of hosts
and many others.

 

[stovebolts]

Hervey,
I just wanted to correct a few errors while showing where your errors are at. If you would like to maintain your position, I would ask that you do so with an understanding of the Jewish language, and not through the English language.

But the attributes of God are all summed up in one name/word - YHWH or Yahwah.

This is not the case. If all attributes were summed up with the one name YHWH, then he would only be called by YHVH and not the various other names by which he is called.
Here is a decent site that I found years ago that does a great job with the names of God.
http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Names_ ... ction.html

Now then, from a Jewish site that I also frequent, here is an except.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... /name.html

I have often heard Christian sources refer to the Judeo-Christian God as "the nameless God" to contrast our God with the ancient pagan gods. I always found this odd, because Judaism clearly recognizes the existence of a Name for God; in fact, we have many Names for God.

The most important of God's Names is the four-letter Name represented by the Hebrew letters Yod-Heh-Vav-Heh (YHVH). It is often referred to as the Ineffable Name, the Unutterable Name or the Distinctive Name. Linguistically, it is related to the Hebrew root Heh-Yod-Heh (to be), and reflects the fact that God's existence is eternal. In scripture, this Name is used when discussing God's relation with human beings, and when emphasizing his qualities of lovingkindness and mercy. It is frequently shortened to Yah (Yod-Heh), Yahu or Yeho (Yod-Heh-Vav), especially when used in combination with names or phrases, as in Yehoshua (Joshua, meaning "the Lord is my Salvation"), Eliyahu (Elijah, meaning "my God is the Lord"), and Halleluyah ("praise the Lord").

The first Name used for God in scripture is Elohim. In form, the word is a masculine plural of a word that looks feminine in the singular (Eloha). The same word (or, according to Maimonides, a homonym of it) is used to refer to princes, judges, other gods, and other powerful beings. This Name is used in scripture when emphasizing God's might, His creative power, and his attributes of justice and rulership. Variations on this name include El, Eloha, Elohai (my God) and Elohaynu (our God).

God is also known as El Shaddai. This Name is usually translated as "God Almighty," however, the derivation of the word "Shaddai" is not known. According to some views, it is derived from the root meaning "to heap benefits." According a Midrash, it means, "The One who said 'dai'" ("dai" meaning enough or sufficient) and comes from the fact that when God created the universe, it expanded until He said "DAI!" (perhaps the first recorded theory of an expanding universe?). The name Shaddai is the one written on the mezuzah scroll. Some note that Shaddai is an acronym of Shomer Daltot Yisrael, Guardian of the Doors of Israel.

Another significant Name of God is YHVH Tzva'ot. This Name is normally translated as "Lord of Hosts." The word "tzva'ot" means "hosts" in the sense of a military grouping or an organized array. The Name refers to God's leadership and sovereignty. Interestingly, this Name is rarely used in scripture. It never appears in the Torah(i.e., the first five books). It appears primarily in the prophetic books of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi, as well as many times in the Psalms.

"Ya" means - God.

This is way off the mark.
El and Elohim is God.. not Ya. Please see above.

"Yahwah" means -- "he who is" = all of His attributes, not just one of His attributes, but all of them.

We've been over this and simply put, neither the text nor the Hebrew language supports this as a proper understanding of "Yahwah"
BTW, whether one spells it Yahwah, Yahweh, Jehova, YHVH or even YHWH is of no significance when it comes to what His name represents.

The plain fact is, His name is comprised of four Hebrew characters, each of them holding their own significance, yet combined as a whole. It is within these four characters that the Hebrews express the Eternal within relationship of His creation.

Yud
Hey
Vav
Hey

The title of this OP is History of God's Name, and within that framework, I have shown how Abram would have called upon the name of YHVH in response to the Promise, and how Isreal knew YHVH through the keeping of said promise.

 

[Mysteryman]

Hervey,
I just wanted to correct a few errors while showing where your errors are at. If you would like to maintain your position, I would ask that you do so with an understanding of the Jewish language, and not through the English language.

But the attributes of God are all summed up in one name/word - YHWH or Yahwah.

This is not the case. If all attributes were summed up with the one name YHWH, then he would only be called by YHVH and not the various other names by which he is called.
Here is a decent site that I found years ago that does a great job with the names of God.
http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Names_ ... ction.html

Now then, from a Jewish site that I also frequent, here is an except.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... /name.html

I have often heard Christian sources refer to the Judeo-Christian God as "the nameless God" to contrast our God with the ancient pagan gods. I always found this odd, because Judaism clearly recognizes the existence of a Name for God; in fact, we have many Names for God.

The most important of God's Names is the four-letter Name represented by the Hebrew letters Yod-Heh-Vav-Heh (YHVH). It is often referred to as the Ineffable Name, the Unutterable Name or the Distinctive Name. Linguistically, it is related to the Hebrew root Heh-Yod-Heh (to be), and reflects the fact that God's existence is eternal. In scripture, this Name is used when discussing God's relation with human beings, and when emphasizing his qualities of lovingkindness and mercy. It is frequently shortened to Yah (Yod-Heh), Yahu or Yeho (Yod-Heh-Vav), especially when used in combination with names or phrases, as in Yehoshua (Joshua, meaning "the Lord is my Salvation"), Eliyahu (Elijah, meaning "my God is the Lord"), and Halleluyah ("praise the Lord").

The first Name used for God in scripture is Elohim. In form, the word is a masculine plural of a word that looks feminine in the singular (Eloha). The same word (or, according to Maimonides, a homonym of it) is used to refer to princes, judges, other gods, and other powerful beings. This Name is used in scripture when emphasizing God's might, His creative power, and his attributes of justice and rulership. Variations on this name include El, Eloha, Elohai (my God) and Elohaynu (our God).

God is also known as El Shaddai. This Name is usually translated as "God Almighty," however, the derivation of the word "Shaddai" is not known. According to some views, it is derived from the root meaning "to heap benefits." According a Midrash, it means, "The One who said 'dai'" ("dai" meaning enough or sufficient) and comes from the fact that when God created the universe, it expanded until He said "DAI!" (perhaps the first recorded theory of an expanding universe?). The name Shaddai is the one written on the mezuzah scroll. Some note that Shaddai is an acronym of Shomer Daltot Yisrael, Guardian of the Doors of Israel.

Another significant Name of God is YHVH Tzva'ot. This Name is normally translated as "Lord of Hosts." The word "tzva'ot" means "hosts" in the sense of a military grouping or an organized array. The Name refers to God's leadership and sovereignty. Interestingly, this Name is rarely used in scripture. It never appears in the Torah(i.e., the first five books). It appears primarily in the prophetic books of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi, as well as many times in the Psalms.

"Ya" means - God.

This is way off the mark.
El and Elohim is God.. not Ya. Please see above.

"Yahwah" means -- "he who is" = all of His attributes, not just one of His attributes, but all of them.

We've been over this and simply put, neither the text nor the Hebrew language supports this as a proper understanding of "Yahwah"
BTW, whether one spells it Yahwah, Yahweh, Jehova, YHVH or even YHWH is of no significance when it comes to what His name represents.

The plain fact is, His name is comprised of four Hebrew characters, each of them holding their own significance, yet combined as a whole. It is within these four characters that the Hebrews express the Eternal within relationship of His creation.

Yud
Hey
Vav
Hey

The title of this OP is History of God's Name, and within that framework, I have shown how Abram would have called upon the name of YHVH in response to the Promise, and how Isreal knew YHVH through the keeping of said promise.

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Hi Jeff:

Good morning, and I take it you had a great weekend, as I did.

So much has been discussed on this subject, that it becomes watered down, to say the least.

So many forget, that the whole Word of God is the context by which we are to study the Word of God. Not just a few verses, or a few Hebrew words, or what someone said throughout History about the name or names of God.

If you look at the many names of God, you will find that they point to His attributes, either as a whole or individually.

If you look at Jeremiah 16:19 - 21 , the context here is talking about the Gentiles, and how God will make them remember ( verse 21 - "I will cause them to know , mine hand and my might" -- "and they shall know that my name YHWH (Lord) is - "who he is".

With this context, you never once find any references that shows us that the Gentiles remembered the name of God, not once ! However, you will find references, that shows the Gentiles remembering the power or might of God. Now, with that said, either God can not do what he said he would do in these verses, or we the readers are reading this incorrectly in our understanding. I prefer the latter to be true, because the latter is more logical.

When God says that he will cause the Gentiles to remember/know who He is, then by all means, God will bring to pass that which He has said he would bring to pass.

Either that, or we worship a God that is lying to us. And neither of us wants to go in that direction.

YHWH is a title, not a personnal name. The word "Lord" represents/means -- "he who is above, or over".

Just like when this word is used here - "The Lord of the vineyard" (Matt. 20:8) ( master )

YHWH takes on the same charecteristic = he who is - master - over.

The Gentiles realized who the master of Israel was, and they knew who the master of Israel was, according to the attributes of God, not His name. They knew that the God of Israel was powerful , because they came up against the power and might of the God of Israel from time to time. This is how the Gentiles knew YHWH - Yahwah.

YHWH = who he is or, he who is, then fill in the blank.

 

[JudaicChristian]

I can not help but wonder if people have read the first page, or if they forgot what they read when they are done reading.