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Maku
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ILikeToMoveIt said:
Some guy asked for peoples' opinions and they said some garbage... What is the truth here?
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Some guy asked for peoples' opinions and they said some garbage... What is the truth here?
:Hell is the Second Death, and it carries with it a certain number who will apparently be only "hurt by it".
I've honestly no clearer idea of what this alludes to other than what you just asked about.
Still, if it's all the same, I'd rather make the "not be hurt at all by the Second Death" cut....or, failing that, I know my Father has loved me ALL throughout this terrible time of suffering, even when He appeared to hate me.
I've honestly no clearer idea of what this alludes to other than what you just asked about.
Still, if it's all the same, I'd rather make the "not be hurt at all by the Second Death" cut....or, failing that, I know my Father has loved me ALL throughout this terrible time of suffering, even when He appeared to hate me.
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Maku
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Can you explain it to me so I can understand please? :angel:
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cj
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God's desire for believers is that each one becomes one with Him in life and nature.
The time that we have on the earth after we have been saved is given to us for the purpose of God accomplishing this in us according to His economy.
But, in His wisdom God has determined that each believer, after being initially saved, must excercise themselves in their new life (resurrection life that we have received) and by doing so open the way for the flow of this resurrection life into the remaining aspects of our tripartite being, our soul and body.
God has fully redeemed our spirit, now we must cooporate with Him in the salvation of our souls and bodies.
If this is not done by us,.... if we, even being saved, still choose the things of this world (mammon) before we choose the things of God, then we will suffer, first, loss of reward, and second, a touch of the second death.
Loss of our reward is as a result of not finishing our course, and suffering a touch of the second death is fo the further disciplining that we need in order that we might grow with the growth of God and thus becomes fully perfected.
And don't think it is not inkeeping with the way of God's work here on earth regarding believers, for all believers must go through a kind of suffering as each lives out their earthly life. Jesus told us this.
And this suffering is termed "the denial of the self", which is to say, the denial of the self of a person and the self's ways and lusts; which ways and lusts are for worldly mammon.
Believers must suffer in order to gain God, for even Jesus learned obedience through suffering.
This is just the way it is for every man, and is according to God's wisdom and His need.
So a believer can either willingly choose to go throught the suffering here on the earth in this lifetime, or in a place of darkness in the time to come.
But be careful, because the suffering I am referring to IS NOT the man-made type of imposing various religious limitations/restraints on themselves (eg. monks, cloistered nuns, fastings, giving up of wealth, etc.).
True suffering is first and foremost and inward matter, IT IS the turning away from that which the natural craves/lusts for, and turning to God to receive Him and thus receive His will in all things.
A person might be very wealthy and turn to God asking "What shall I do with this wealth?" And God might say "Keep it and manage it according to my direction."
And so this man will seem to onlookers to be keeping his wealth rather than giving it up. But the truth is he is not, for having turned to God regarding it,.... and followed God's will for it, this man has in reality given his wealth up.
On the contrary, the monk or cloistered nun who outwardly seemed to give everything up may in their hearts, in a hidden manner, still desire these things for themselves, and therefore have not in reality given anything up.
In love,
cj
The time that we have on the earth after we have been saved is given to us for the purpose of God accomplishing this in us according to His economy.
But, in His wisdom God has determined that each believer, after being initially saved, must excercise themselves in their new life (resurrection life that we have received) and by doing so open the way for the flow of this resurrection life into the remaining aspects of our tripartite being, our soul and body.
God has fully redeemed our spirit, now we must cooporate with Him in the salvation of our souls and bodies.
If this is not done by us,.... if we, even being saved, still choose the things of this world (mammon) before we choose the things of God, then we will suffer, first, loss of reward, and second, a touch of the second death.
Loss of our reward is as a result of not finishing our course, and suffering a touch of the second death is fo the further disciplining that we need in order that we might grow with the growth of God and thus becomes fully perfected.
And don't think it is not inkeeping with the way of God's work here on earth regarding believers, for all believers must go through a kind of suffering as each lives out their earthly life. Jesus told us this.
And this suffering is termed "the denial of the self", which is to say, the denial of the self of a person and the self's ways and lusts; which ways and lusts are for worldly mammon.
Believers must suffer in order to gain God, for even Jesus learned obedience through suffering.
This is just the way it is for every man, and is according to God's wisdom and His need.
So a believer can either willingly choose to go throught the suffering here on the earth in this lifetime, or in a place of darkness in the time to come.
But be careful, because the suffering I am referring to IS NOT the man-made type of imposing various religious limitations/restraints on themselves (eg. monks, cloistered nuns, fastings, giving up of wealth, etc.).
True suffering is first and foremost and inward matter, IT IS the turning away from that which the natural craves/lusts for, and turning to God to receive Him and thus receive His will in all things.
A person might be very wealthy and turn to God asking "What shall I do with this wealth?" And God might say "Keep it and manage it according to my direction."
And so this man will seem to onlookers to be keeping his wealth rather than giving it up. But the truth is he is not, for having turned to God regarding it,.... and followed God's will for it, this man has in reality given his wealth up.
On the contrary, the monk or cloistered nun who outwardly seemed to give everything up may in their hearts, in a hidden manner, still desire these things for themselves, and therefore have not in reality given anything up.
In love,
cj
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itoldyounoalready
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In the Old Testament before Jesus' coming all with some exception (those who were most righteous in God's eyes e.g. Elijah, Job) went to hell, hell at this time had different levels.However, when Jesus came all those who believed in God's promise that salvation would come were freed from hell and those still living no longer faced damnation to hell.
This is just a summary I could go into far greater detail, though so that I may not present false information I will come back with the exact verses from which I derived this.
This is just a summary I could go into far greater detail, though so that I may not present false information I will come back with the exact verses from which I derived this.
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Brother Ian
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Before Christ died on the cross and rose again, Hades (Hell) and Abraham's Bosom (Heaven) were co-located. Luke 16 provides the account of the rich mand and Lazurus and at that time, the people in Hades could see the people in Abraham's Bosom. After Christ died, the Bible says that he descended to hell declare or preach that He really is the Savior and He then took His children (saved people) to heaven which essentially was relocated away from Hades.
Study the gospels to help you with this.
After Jesus returns again, hell will be cast into the lake of fire which is the second death (Rev. 20:14).
Study the gospels to help you with this.
After Jesus returns again, hell will be cast into the lake of fire which is the second death (Rev. 20:14).