Holy Spirit Conviction

[Litebeam]

The struggle to….. “not sinâ€Â….. MUST eventually lead to “turning away from sin.â€Â

SIN IS VERY SERIOUS!


Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death,



SIN NO MORE

Those who are truly in Christ are indeed under grace and no longer under the law.

Obviously this by no means gives a license to sin. Actually it is quite the opposite.

We are called to be HOLY!

Those who are TRULY IN CHRIST are in the PROCESS of TURNING AWAY FROM SIN.



1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither knoweth him.


1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.


1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


1Jo 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.


1Jo 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.



Those who are truly in Christ are immediately convicted by God’s Holy Spirit if they should sin. They immediately repent and are much less likely to EVER make the same mistake again.

Those who are truly in Christ agree with God that SIN IS TERRIBLE. IT SEPERATES US FROM GOD.

They know…..


WE ARE CALLED TO BE HOLY!


I am the Lord who brought you up out of Egypt to be your God; therefore be holy, because I am holy.
(Leviticus 11:45)


Speak to the entire assembly of Israel and say to them: Be holy because I, the Lord your God, am holy. (Leviticus 19:2)


Consecrate yourselves and be holy, because I am the Lord your God. Keep my decrees and follow them. I am the Lord, who makes you holy. (Leviticus 20:7-8)


But just as He who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; for it is written: Be holy, because I am holy. (1 Peter 1:15-16)


Heb 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:


1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?


1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.


God would not tell us to do something He wasn’t prepared to ENABLE us to do.


Lev 20:8 And ye shall keep my statutes, and do them: I am the LORD which sanctify you.


Those who obey God and study His word in a humble Spirit, who seek His wisdom and ask His strength to flee temptation and resist the devil, God enables to do so.


1 Corinthians 10:13
No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.


James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.



Those who are truly in Christ are the minority. A VERY SMALL MINORITY! They are in the PROCESS of turning away from sin.



The majority are DEAD IN THEIR SINS. They are in the PROCESS of completing their sins.


THEY LIKE THEIR SINS AND REFUSE TO GIVE THEM UP!


Instead they believe “church doctrine†“the teachings of men†“THE TEACHINGS OF SATAN†that tell them GOD’S HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT SUFFICIENT TO ENABLE US TO TURN AWAY FROM SIN. THAT IT IS OK TO KEEP ON SINNING!


IT IS NOT OK! SIN SEPERATES US FROM GOD!!!!!!!


Matthew 15:9
They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'


Revelation 2:7
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.


Revelation 2:11
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt at all by the second death.


Revelation 2:17
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give him a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it.


Revelation 2:26
To him who overcomes and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nationsâ€â€


Revelation 3:12
Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name.


Revelation 3:21
To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne.



We MUST realize our TOTAL, wretched, sinful, state, for which GOD’S SON, OUR LORD was beaten beyond human recognition and NAILED TO THE CROSS. FOR US!

FOR OUR SINS!!!

We MUST reach TOTAL HEARTFELT REPENTANCE and DESIRE TO TURN AWAY FROM SIN.

We MUST AGREE WITH GOD that SIN IS TERRIBLE!!!!!!!

We MUST TURN AWAY FROM SIN!

We MUST OVERCOME! SIN, SATAN AND THE WORLD!


1Jo 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.



We were created to do God’s will not ours. Those who are truly in Christ soon find themselves doing God’s will. Those who are rebelling against God are doing Satan’s will, as God allows.


" ... an experience of evil hath God given to the sons of man to humble him thereby" (Ecc. 1:13).



Are you a new creature??? Are you in the process of turning away from sin? Are you listening to God?


2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.



If you still like your sins, you are in disagreement with God. All the death, suffering and separation from God in this world are the result of ONE act of disobedience in the Garden of Eden. JUST ONE!


SIN IS TERRIBLE, IT SEPARATES US FROM GOD!!!!!!!



Isa 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.


Colossians 1:21
Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior.



You cannot have fellowship with God if you keep returning to your sins. You cannot!

You are not listening to God if you keep returning to your sins. You are not!



So let me ask, if you are continuing to do the same old sinful things, WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE LISTENING TO???????


Satan is the “voice of reason.†( the voice of FALSE reason )


Christ is the VOICE OF TRUTH.


2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.


2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.



Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.




1Jo 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.


1 John 3:24
Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.


1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.


1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.


Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


John 14:17
the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.


Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.



Romans 8:9
You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ


Romans 12:2
Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will isâ€â€his good, pleasing and perfect will.



John 5:30
By myself I can do nothing;

Phi 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.



YES WE CAN STOP SINNING. GOD’S SPIRIT IS SUFFICIENT.


Romans 6:17
But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted.


l Peter 1:5, "By God's power we are guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."


Jude 24,25, "Now to him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you without blemish before the presence of his glory with rejoicing, to the only God, our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen."


l Thessalonians 5:23-24, "May the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be kept sound and blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. He who calls you is faithful, and he will do it."


2 Timothy 1:7
For God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline.


1Jn:2:5: But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.


1Tm:4:16: Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.


Jms:1:21: Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.




Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.


Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.


Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.


Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.





Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.



2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless, God's solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: "The Lord knows those who are his," and, "Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness."




Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.




Here are a couple of links on Holy Spirit Conviction. I do not agree with everything that is said on these two sites, however it is a good start on beginning to understand the concept.

I believe it is a very important subject worth much hard study.

Here's the links.....

http://members.cox.net/jroden/holyspiritconviction.html

http://www.peacemakers.net/unity/lrs-sa ... spirit.htm

 

[Guest]

Those who are truly in Christ are indeed under grace and no longer under the law.

No longer under the law? Which law?

...are you saying what I think you're saying?

 

[lecoop]

What law?

I agree, the law is there, but not for us:

Colossians 2:14
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

There is no law that says to me, "thou shalt not...." However, love inside has not desire to anyway! The law is written inside.



Coop.

 

[starbyfar]

so like. what happens to a believer if the struggle to not sin doesn't eventually lead to a full fledge turn away from sin? has anyone aside from jesus ever reached this level of perfection?

 

[Solo]

so like. what happens to a believer if the struggle to not sin doesn't eventually lead to a full fledge turn away from sin? has anyone aside from jesus ever reached this level of perfection?

Not anyone with a sinful, corrupt, mortal corpse that they drag around day by day!

 

[lecoop]

so like. what happens to a believer if the struggle to not sin doesn't eventually lead to a full fledge turn away from sin? has anyone aside from jesus ever reached this level of perfection?

Not anyone with a sinful, corrupt, mortal corpse that they drag around day by day!

He he! Well put, Solo! Thank God, one day this mortal will put on immortality! Hallelujah!

Coop

 

[Litebeam]

Those who are truly in Christ are indeed under grace and no longer under the law.

No longer under the law? Which law?

...are you saying what I think you're saying?

Hi

Since you haven't specified what you think I "might" be saying here is a short answer.....

Romans 8:2
because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death.

 

[Litebeam]

so like. what happens to a believer if the struggle to not sin doesn't eventually lead to a full fledge turn away from sin? has anyone aside from jesus ever reached this level of perfection?

Hi.

That is indeed the BIG question. I have come to understand that it is only the “very few†who will be enabled by God to truly embrace His truth in the here and now. Only the very few….as in the 144,000.

A close examination of the scriptures I posted here definitely point to the FLAWS in religious doctrine and the teachings of men.


God’s word is CRYSTAL CLEAR for those who TRULY BELIEVE HIS WORD…..



Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.



CRYSTAL CLEAR I would say….CARNAL MINDED = DEATH. ( spiritual death )



Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.



AGAIN…CRYSTAL CLEAR…..they which do such things SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.



2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless, God's solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: "The Lord knows those who are his," and, "Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness."


WE MUST TURN AWAY FROM WICKEDNESS….FROM SIN…..CRYSTAL CLEAR!!! Only the “few†will actually OBEY these scriptures and be found DOERS of THE WORD and not HEARERS ONLY.



James 1:22
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.




There is far more to “the picture†than meets the eye. The Vast Majority really do not “want†to know the truth, they prefer to “cling†to their sins and refuse to give them up.



Matthew 7:13
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.



Deuteronomy 4:29
But if from there you seek the LORD your God, you will find him if you look for him with all your heart and with all your soul.


Most Christian’s have not sought The Lord with ALL THEIR HEARTS. Most have settled in to church life and religious teachings and are not studying God’s word with all their hearts.


Here is what the original Greek says about the word…..seek…..


H1875

da^rash
daw-rash'
A primitive root; properly to tread or frequent; usually to follow (for pursuit or search); by implication to seek or ask; specifically to worship: - ask, X at all, care for, X diligently, inquire, make inquisition, [necro-] mancer, question, require, search, seek [for, out], X surely.


In other words STUDY. Study God’s Word. WITH ALL YOUR HEART!

We either “LISTEN TO GOD’S WORD, EMBRACE IT ( STUDY IT WITH A HMBLE “TEACHABLE†HEART ) AND OBEY IT…..OR WE SOON WILL BE FOUND BELIEVING…..LIES.


It is “my opinion†that time for us to examine these concepts grows VERY short indeed.

I am NOT TRYING TO CONVINCE ANYONE of ANYTHING I AM SAYING.

ONLY GOD CAN CONVINCE ANYONE OF HIS TRUTH AND WISDOM.

I AM SHARING FREELY WHAT I HAVE LEARNED FROM MANY YEARS OF HUMBLE STUDY OF GOD’S WORD AND BEING LED AND TAUGHT BY GOD’S SPIRIT.

It is my prayer that whoever reads these posts will find them to be helpful.

I will try to answer any forthright questions as best I can.


On that note here is some more data on the “over comersâ€Â….




Some studies suggest that only the 7000 Elect who refused to bow the knee to Baal in the “First Earth Age†will be able to resist Satan in these end times. Satan will come first impersonating Christ and the whole world will fall for it.


2 Thes. 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;


Rev. 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.


The 7000 Elect or some of them at least will be delivered up…..


Luke 21:12
"But before all this, they will lay hands on you and persecute you. They will deliver you to synagogues and prisons, and you will be brought before kings and governors, and all on account of my name.


On account of…….MY NAME…….YAHU'SHUAH IS YHWH



Mar 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.


Mar 13:10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.


Mar 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.


The Elect will speak in the Cloven Tongue that all men will hear in their own language as on the day of Pentecost.

The 144,000 will then hear what the Elect are saying and COME TO THEIR SENSES.


Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.


Mar 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake:


Just a brief look at how I am beginning to see things.

 

[shaitiger]

so like. what happens to a believer if the struggle to not sin doesn't eventually lead to a full fledge turn away from sin? has anyone aside from jesus ever reached this level of perfection?

Phillipians 1:6 For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.

If someone has put their faith and trust in Christ, regardless whether they mess up afterwards or not, our Lord will conform us to the image of Christ. It's a done deal and there is no going back. There is no possibilty of not being perfect. This is God's promise to all those who believe.

The essence of "living to God" is not merely the concentrated effort of refraining from sinning. Living to God is living a life of love, putting others before you. When you do this you will be living in the spirit and will be putting to the death the deeds of the flesh.

If you are a believer in Jesus Christ, he now lives in you. Can we reach this level of perfection on our own, the answer is no. Thank you Lord for making us your temple so you can dwell in us. God will get the job done. AMEN.

 

[shaitiger]

so like. what happens to a believer if the struggle to not sin doesn't eventually lead to a full fledge turn away from sin? has anyone aside from jesus ever reached this level of perfection?

Phillipians 1:6 For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.

If someone has put their faith and trust in Christ, regardless of whether they mess up afterwards or not, our Lord will conform us to the image of Christ. It's a done deal and there is no going back. There is no possibilty of not being perfect. This is God's promise to all those who believe.

The essence of "living to God" is not merely the concentrated effort of refraining from sinning. Living to God is living a life of love, putting others before ourselves. When you do this you will be living in the spirit and will be putting to the death the deeds of the flesh.

If you are a believer in Jesus Christ, he now lives in you. Can we reach this level of perfection on our own, the answer is no. Thank you Lord for making us your temple so you can dwell in us. God will get the job done. AMEN.

 

[Litebeam]

shaitiger


Hi.

I agree with your statement that “God will get the job done.†It is in fact ALL UP TO HIM, EVERYTHING, ALL of HUMAN HISTORY is transpiring EXACTLY according to His Sovereign will.

It was NEVER UP TO US!



Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.




God “chooses†us, not the other way around as the vast majority of the “religious world†believes.



In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who worketh all things after the counsel of His own will: Eph 1:11


You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit- fruit that will last. Then the Father will give you whatever you ask in my name. This is my command: Love each other. (John15:16-17)






The faith that you mentioned is a “gift from God.†We must “receive†it from our Heavenly Father.


Ephesians 2:8
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faithâ€â€and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of Godâ€â€


We must be “Enabled†by God to “Truly Believe†and to “Live by Faith.†How? By studying His word.



We either “LISTEN TO GOD’S WORD, EMBRACE IT ( STUDY IT WITH A HUMBLE “TEACHABLE†HEART ) AND OBEY IT…..OR WE SOON WILL BE FOUND BELIEVING…..LIES.



Romans 10:17
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.



Such “living by faith in God†is much rarer than many believe.


Luke 18:8
I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?"



This is a complex set of concepts that are only resolved by much humble study of God’s word and seeking His wisdom.

True faith must lead to OBEYING in ALL that God commands, not just what suits us.



Luke 11:28
But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.



James 1:22
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.







1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

1Co 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.

1Co 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

1Co 3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.




Matthew 15:9
They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'



The Vast Majority “choose†to believe, “Religious Doctrine†“The Teachings of Men†“Worldly Rationalizations†and…..“Satan’s Lies.â€Â


ONLY THE FEW are TRULY BELIEVING and OBEYING GOD’S WORD.

GOD’S WORD IS CRYSTAL CLEAR TO THOSE WHO HAVE TRULY MADE HIM LORD OF THEIR LIVES AND OBEY HIM.



1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.



Most will NOT even CONSIDER what I have posted. MANY react emotionally when they are confronted with such teaching. That is generally what STOPS THE THINKING PROCESS. Negative EMOTIONS.

 

[wavy]

Re: What law?

I agree, the law is there, but not for us:

Colossians 2:14
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

There is no law that says to me, "thou shalt not...." However, love inside has not desire to anyway! The law is written inside.

Coop.

Take absolutely no offense, but I find this post to be contradictory. We need to clarify a few things, imho.

Firstly, if the law is not for you, why is it written inside of you? And if it is written inside of you, how can it be nailed to the cross (although Colossians 2:14 is not speaking of the law)?

And there is no law that tells you "thou shalt not"? What about the one Christ spoke of, for example, in Mark 10:19?

What about Romans 13:9, according to Paul?

And isn't the love inside you commanded in the law and doesn't the law hang off of love (Matthew 22:37-40)?

 

[Solo]

Re: What law?

I agree, the law is there, but not for us:

Colossians 2:14
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

There is no law that says to me, "thou shalt not...." However, love inside has not desire to anyway! The law is written inside.

Coop.

Take absolutely no offense, but I find this post to be contradictory. We need to clarify a few things, imho.

Firstly, if the law is not for you, why is it written inside of you? And if it is written inside of you, how can it be nailed to the cross (although Colossians 2:14 is not speaking of the law)?

And there is no law that tells you "thou shalt not"? What about the one Christ spoke of, for example, in Mark 10:19?

What about Romans 13:9, according to Paul?

And isn't the love inside you commanded in the law and doesn't the law hang off of love (Matthew 22:37-40)?

Wavy,

• Your beliefs dictate keeping the Law of Moses.[/*:m:da722]
• Your beliefs deny that Jesus is God almighty.[/*:m:da722]
• Your beliefs deny that the Holy Spirit is a person of the Godhead and is also God almighty.[/*:m:da722]
• Your beliefs deny the born again experience as being a spiritual begotten of God action whereby a believer is sealed until the day of redemption.[/*:m:da722]
• Your beliefs deny the existance of the Church being the body of Christ.
  Your beliefs dictate that one believes as you or is lost.[/*:m:da722]
• And on and on we go.[/*:m:da722]

Since you are bored, why don't you go offend another Christian site with this bologna? I am getting tired of seeing you attack the tenets of Christianity and the statement of faith of this Christian forum, and am asking you to cease.
Sincerely,
Solo

 

[wavy]

Re: What law?

Your beliefs deny that Jesus is God almighty.

I do not deny that Yahshua is El Shaddai.

Your beliefs deny the born again experience as being a spiritual begotten of God action whereby a believer is sealed until the day of redemption.

And where did this come from? This is untrue.

Your beliefs deny the existance of the Church being the body of Christ.

Depends on what you mean by "church".

Your beliefs dictate that one believes as you or is lost.
[*]And on and on we go.

Baseless accusation. And indeed, I could say the exact same thing about you. Obviously you believe the opposite of everything you accuse of believing or not believing. Therefore am I lost because I don't believe as you do?

Since you are bored, why don't you go offend another Christian site with this bologna? I am getting tired of seeing you attack the tenets of Christianity and the statement of faith of this Christian forum, and am asking you to cease.
Sincerely,

All I did was ask him/her to clarify his/her position, Solo.

 

[Solo]

Re: What law?

Your beliefs deny that Jesus is God almighty.

I do not deny that Yahshua is El Shaddai.

Then say that JESUS is GOD and not YAHSHUA IS EL SHADDAI. Saying that you do not deny that Yashua is El Shaddai can mean something entirely different from my comment that Jesus is God.

Your beliefs deny the born again experience as being a spiritual begotten of God action whereby a believer is sealed until the day of redemption.

And where did this come from? This is untrue.

Then explain the born again action of God almighty that all believers must experience before being saved, as opposed to your tripe response. When you try to sell your false Nazarene doctrines, you post pages and pages. Post a page on the born again action of God for an answer to this post.

Your beliefs deny the existance of the Church being the body of Christ.

Depends on what you mean by "church".

Another flippant response, just like the enemy would give. You know full well what I mean by the Church. The body of Christ is all believers that have been born again and these believers are the ekklesia which is translated Church. The only time that I have read anything about church in any of your posts has been that it doesn't exist, and then you trail off on your Nazarite Messianic rants.

]Your beliefs dictate that one believes as you or is lost.
[*]And on and on we go.

Baseless accusation. And indeed, I could say the exact same thing about you. Obviously you believe the opposite of everything you accuse of believing or not believing. Therefore am I lost because I don't believe as you do?

You do not believe as the tenets of mainline Christianity teach. You have gone off on some legalistic voyage that diputes even the youngest adherant to Christianity with your Nazarite Messianic mumbo jumbo.

Since you are bored, why don't you go offend another Christian site with this bologna? I am getting tired of seeing you attack the tenets of Christianity and the statement of faith of this Christian forum, and am asking you to cease.
Sincerely,

All I did was ask him/her to clarify his/her position, Solo.

All you ever do is to subtly attack the tenets of Christianity and the statement of faith on this forum.

 

[wavy]

Re: What law?

I do not deny that Yahshua is El Shaddai.
Then say that JESUS is GOD and not YAHSHUA IS EL SHADDAI. Saying that you do not deny that Yashua is El Shaddai can mean something entirely different from my comment that Jesus is God.

I do not use that name.

Then explain the born again action of God almighty that all believers must experience before being saved, as opposed to your tripe response. When you try to sell your false Nazarene doctrines, you post pages and pages. Post a page on the born again action of God for an answer to this post.

There is no need to. Who doesn't understand it? Why preach to the choir?

Another flippant response, just like the enemy would give. You know full well what I mean by the Church. The body of Christ is all believers that have been born again and these believers are the ekklesia which is translated Church. The only time that I have read anything about church in any of your posts has been that it doesn't exist, and then you trail off on your Nazarite Messianic rants.

Well, then if that is what you mean by "church" then we agree. But when I say the "church" does not exist, I mean as a separate, gentile entity, or a replacement of Israel.

I do not believe that definition scripturally exists.

It's "Nazarene", btw, not "Nazarite". Two totally different things...

You do not believe as the tenets of mainline Christianity teach. You have gone off on some legalistic voyage that diputes even the youngest adherant to Christianity with your Nazarite Messianic mumbo jumbo.

Nazarene, Solo...

All you ever do is to subtly attack the tenets of Christianity and the statement of faith on this forum.

Did the questions offend you in some way?

 

[Solo]

Re: What law?

I do not deny that Yahshua is El Shaddai.
Then say that JESUS is GOD and not YAHSHUA IS EL SHADDAI. Saying that you do not deny that Yashua is El Shaddai can mean something entirely different from my comment that Jesus is God.

I do not use that name.

I know. You speak in tongues in accordance with your deception as opposed to speaking the language of those in attendence in direct conflict with the Word of God.

Then explain the born again action of God almighty that all believers must experience before being saved, as opposed to your tripe response. When you try to sell your false Nazarene doctrines, you post pages and pages. Post a page on the born again action of God for an answer to this post.

There is no need to. Who doesn't understand it? Why preach to the choir?

The Messianic Nazarene Yisrael bunch does not teach being born again, born of God. They teach that one is either an Jew Israelite or a non-Jew Israelite who must obey and keep the Law in order to be saved.

Another flippant response, just like the enemy would give. You know full well what I mean by the Church. The body of Christ is all believers that have been born again and these believers are the ekklesia which is translated Church. The only time that I have read anything about church in any of your posts has been that it doesn't exist, and then you trail off on your Nazarite Messianic rants.

Well, then if that is what you mean by "church" then we agree. But when I say the "church" does not exist, I mean as a separate, gentile entity, or a replacement of Israel.

I do not believe that definition scripturally exists.

It's "Nazarene", btw, not "Nazarite". Two totally different things...

When you become born again, you will realize that the word ekklesia translated Church is scriptural, and is not a pagan representation of Kirche, but a translated word for those believers gathering. Your interpretation as those gathering being Israel is off base and wrong. Nazarene or Nazarite, what's the difference?

You do not believe as the tenets of mainline Christianity teach. You have gone off on some legalistic voyage that diputes even the youngest adherant to Christianity with your Nazarite Messianic mumbo jumbo.

Nazarene, Solo...

Again, your non-response speaks volumes.

All you ever do is to subtly attack the tenets of Christianity and the statement of faith on this forum.

Did the questions offend you in some way?

Your anti-Christian position offends me. The deceptions of the Messianic Nazarene Yisrael bunch offends me.

To the Angel of the Church of Philadelphia, Jesus says to write, "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee." Revelation 3:9

What is your affiliation to this place?

WORLD HEADQUARTERS OF
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INTERNATIONAL MINISTRIES
NORTH MIAMI BEACH FLORIDA

 

[wavy]

Re: What law?

I know. You speak in tongues in accordance with your deception as opposed to speaking the language of those in attendence in direct conflict with the Word of God.

I'm using what I believe is someone's real name, not speaking a different language.

Paul was talking about speaking in languages that your audience could not understand. I assume you know what "Yahshua" is and what "El Shaddai" is.

The Messianic Nazarene Yisrael bunch does not teach being born again, born of God. They teach that one is either an Jew Israelite or a non-Jew Israelite who must obey and keep the Law in order to be saved.

If you are speaking of YATI (Your Arms to Israel), here is part of their statement of faith:

...that a person must be "born again" through the Divine process of regeneration by Yahweh's Ruach HaKodesh and be mikvahed (water immersed), as an outward confession of that inward experience. This takes place through an initial expression of faith in Yahshua's atoning, vicarious and substitutionary death on the tree (Yochanan 3:3).

When you become born again, you will realize that the word ekklesia translated Church is scriptural, and is not a pagan representation of Kirche, but a translated word for those believers gathering. Your interpretation as those gathering being Israel is off base and wrong. Nazarene or Nazarite, what's the difference?

Please see the 6th chapter of Numbers to find out what a Nazarite is...

Again, your non-response speaks volumes.

What would I respond to it for? All you'll do is come back and compare me with "the enemy".

Your anti-Christian position offends me. The deceptions of the Messianic Nazarene Yisrael bunch offends me.

I'm not anti-Christian. I am anti-certain-doctrines. And again, what does this have to do with the questions I asked another user?

What is your affiliation to this place?

None.

 

[Solo]

Re: What law?

I know. You speak in tongues in accordance with your deception as opposed to speaking the language of those in attendence in direct conflict with the Word of God.

I'm using what I believe is someone's real name, not speaking a different language.

Paul was talking about speaking in languages that your audience could not understand. I assume you know what "Yahshua" is and what "El Shaddai" is.

Using Hebrew names on an English forum is a negative attribute for understanding. Paul says that understanding is more important than speaking unknown tongues. You are on an English Speaking forum, and your assumption that everyone knows the Hebrew words that you use is another error.

The Messianic Nazarene Yisrael bunch does not teach being born again, born of God. They teach that one is either an Jew Israelite or a non-Jew Israelite who must obey and keep the Law in order to be saved.

If you are speaking of YATI (Your Arms to Israel), here is part of their statement of faith:

...that a person must be "born again" through the Divine process of regeneration by Yahweh's Ruach HaKodesh and be mikvahed (water immersed), as an outward confession of that inward experience. This takes place through an initial expression of faith in Yahshua's atoning, vicarious and substitutionary death on the tree (Yochanan 3:3).

When you become born again, you will realize that the word ekklesia translated Church is scriptural, and is not a pagan representation of Kirche, but a translated word for those believers gathering. Your interpretation as those gathering being Israel is off base and wrong. Nazarene or Nazarite, what's the difference?

Another tongues speaking teaching without proper interpretation. Rabbi Moshe Yoseph Koniuchowsky of Your Arms to Israel teaches in his sermon, The Worship Of Yahshua-Paganism or Torah? the following:

• Close-In context, you cannot work out your eternal salvation until you OBEY and LEARN how to WORSHIP/BOW the knee to Yahshua. Like it or be confused by it, it still doesn’t matter! That’s what Scripture says, and that’s what will allow you to work things out between you and YHWH!

Again, your non-response speaks volumes.

What would I respond to it for? All you'll do is come back and compare me with "the enemy".

If the shoe fits, you wear it.

Your anti-Christian position offends me. The deceptions of the Messianic Nazarene Yisrael bunch offends me.

I'm not anti-Christian. I am anti-certain-doctrines. And again, what does this have to do with the questions I asked another user?

You are against the basic tenets of Christianity in your posts. Your attempt to push your legalistic view of Judaism casting doubt on the truth of God's Word to those who have believed apart from your bunch is offensive. Your Messianic Nazarene Yisrael group live in accordance with warped interpretation of scripture apart from the orthodox Christian truths. Paul spoke out against Judaizers, gnostics, and other false teachers of false doctrines. Your doctrines are not of God.

What is your affiliation to this place?

None.

In the past you have claimed to be a Messianic Nazarene Yisraelite.

Let me see now, which group of believers have done more to spread the Word of God throughout the World so that those that are condemned might be saved?
The Messianic Nazarene Yisraelite or the Christians that are the Church of God? Hmmmmm.....who are the Messianic Nazarene Yisraelites? I never heard of them before wavy's postings.

You will know them by their fruits.

 

[wavy]

Re: What law?

Using Hebrew names on an English forum is a negative attribute for understanding. Paul says that understanding is more important than speaking unknown tongues. You are on an English Speaking forum, and your assumption that everyone knows the Hebrew words that you use is another error.

So you don't know what they mean?

Well, then, the scripture calls now for an interpreter.

Yahshua = Yahweh is Savior.
El Shaddai = Most high over all shadim, or spirits (usually evil spirit).

Satisfied? Or do you still want to find a reason to say more bad things about me?

Another tongues speaking teaching without proper interpretation. Rabbi Moshe Yoseph Koniuchowsky of Your Arms to Israel teaches in his sermon, The Worship Of Yahshua-Paganism or Torah? the following:Close-In context, you cannot work out your eternal salvation until you OBEY and LEARN how to WORSHIP/BOW the knee to Yahshua. Like it or be confused by it, it still doesn’t matter! That’s what Scripture says, and that’s what will allow you to work things out between you and YHWH!

And he is wrong about that? We don't need to know how to obey Yahshua? We can worship him through paganism?

You are against the basic tenets of Christianity in your posts. Your attempt to push your legalistic view of Judaism casting doubt on the truth of God's Word to those who have believed apart from your bunch is offensive. Your Messianic Nazarene Yisrael group live in accordance with warped interpretation of scripture apart from the orthodox Christian truths. Paul spoke out against Judaizers, gnostics, and other false teachers of false doctrines. Your doctrines are not of God.

Paul was a Nazarene too (Acts 24:5). So was Christ (Matthew 2:23).

In Acts 24:5, Paul's accusers called the Nazarene way a "sect". In verse 14, in his defense, he says:

Acts 24:14
But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy [same word for sect], so worship I the Elohim of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

I'm not surprised that you would say what you do about what I believe.

In the past you have claimed to be a Messianic Nazarene Yisraelite.

Never said anything about "Yisraelite", but I hope you are aware that being a Nazarene does not officially make you an affiliate of YATI. The Nazarenes were the first century followers of Messiah.

Anyway, when I said that, I wasn't speaking as if that was an official title. It was more of a concept that can relate what I believe more easily than the manmade, man-given title of "Christian".

Nevertheless, if you read my opening thread from a few months back in the New Member forum, you will notice that I said I do not mind being called a Christian.

Let me see now, which group of believers have done more to spread the Word of God throughout the World so that those that are condemned might be saved?
The Messianic Nazarene Yisraelite or the Christians that are the Church of God? Hmmmmm.....who are the Messianic Nazarene Yisraelites? I never heard of them before wavy's postings.

You will know them by their fruits.

Actually, the truth is "Yahshua the Nazarene" (Matthew 26:71) through his followers (Nazarenes) spread the gospel. Through him we have access to his Word, and I do believe Christians play a part in that.

However, this doesn't mean their doctrines are correct, and I don't believe so. Too bad that, while indeed historically and biblically the first followers of Messiah indentified themselves as Nazarenes after the Messiah himself, gentile, paganized, Hellenized forms of belief took over and became 100% anti-Semitic and even some of the "church fathers" called the Nazarenes heretics.

Yahweh will reverse this, however:

Jeremiah 16:19
O יהוה, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.
Jeremiah 16:20
Shall a man make elohim unto himself, and they are no elohim?
Jeremiah 16:21
Therefore, behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know mine hand [Christ] and my might [Holy Spirit]; and they shall know that my name is יהוה.