Homosexuality

[mondar]

Whats your point?
Are you sayinng that when we point out that homosexual sex is a sin (which it is) that this is somehow "hate"?

Since when is TRUTH "hate"?

Catholic Crusader,
You were on the right track, you should have continued with your line of thought.

The issue of homosexuality is one thing, but the scary thing is the use of the term "hate." I fail to see any consistency of thought in Paulo said. Let me demonstrate.

I believe adultery and fornication are sin. Does this mean I hate adulterers? Yes, I think what they do to their mates, their families is often sad and very wrong. Yet I have personally spoke to fellow christian adulterers and assisted in their restoration to a wholesome life. I do not see adulterers complaining that my beliefs are "hatred."

I believe smoking marijuana is sin. Yet I have never been accused of "hating" those who smoke marijuana.

I am honestly concerned. This whole concept of "hate crimes" seems to be a tool that will be used by Governments to bring about thought control.

 

[turnorburn]

Go to James Chapter 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.

I remember now paulo75, you were going around with this topic a few months back,
still trying to figure it out? :smt100

Well, I think I have. I've figured out that the Bible can be very dangerous when misunderstood.

How do we know - for sure - that the God did not create homosexuals in order to test mankind's true meaning of love? To love without intolerance or prejudice? Or, hypothetically speaking, with so many orphans in the world, how do we know that a union between a man and a man or a woman and a woman is not God's will in order to let these orphans have a family? Since homosexuals can't have kids, but still have love to give, is this not possible?

 

[destiny]

It boggles my mind that satan is never considered in perversions such as homosexuality. The enemy comes to steal-kill- and destroy. Please don't think for a minute he can't confuse a persons identity.

The problem is that most Christians cannot recognize satans tactics, nor do they know the authority they have over these unclean spirits through Jesus.


Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. << Luke 10:19 >>

 

[turnorburn]

Well said destiny but I believe there is more to it, at least I found it to be true
with my previous problems, and no I wasn't a Sodomite. Until I gave 100% of myself
to Christ everything I put my hand to failed. :smt030

Thanks,
turnorburn

 

[Imagican]

Whats your point?
Are you sayinng that when we point out that homosexual sex is a sin (which it is) that this is somehow "hate"?

Since when is TRUTH "hate"?

Catholic Crusader,
You were on the right track, you should have continued with your line of thought.

The issue of homosexuality is one thing, but the scary thing is the use of the term "hate." I fail to see any consistency of thought in Paulo said. Let me demonstrate.

I believe adultery and fornication are sin. Does this mean I hate adulterers? Yes, I think what they do to their mates, their families is often sad and very wrong. Yet I have personally spoke to fellow christian adulterers and assisted in their restoration to a wholesome life. I do not see adulterers complaining that my beliefs are "hatred."

I believe smoking marijuana is sin. Yet I have never been accused of "hating" those who smoke marijuana.

I am honestly concerned. This whole concept of "hate crimes" seems to be a tool that will be used by Governments to bring about thought control.

And herein lies the TRUTH:

What society has instigated is the IDEA that those that 'speak out against homosexuality' HATE those that practice it. This is a 'false sense' of truth. For there are MANY that have NO such hatred in their heart, but JUST the opposite, that rebuke their brothers and sisters for behavior that is contradictory to the will of God.

Not only those that DO offer 'hate', but those of the 'homosexual community' that INSIST that we must ALL 'accept' such behavior as 'natural' perpetuate this IDEA of 'hate'.

But there ARE MANY that offer NO SUCH HATRED through a 'desire' to TEACH their neighbors that such behavior IS 'wrong' or 'unatural'.

We don't see THEIVES offering that THEIR behavior is 'natual'. Nor FORNICATORS. And WHO BELIEVES that LYING is OK? Yet when it comes to this issue of homosexuality, (we can even see the ATTEMPT to alter it's TRUE meaning in words offered such as 'gay' or 'same sex', etc. Attempts to 'down play' it's TRUE intent and meaning), society, (especially those that are performers of homosexuality), has ATTEMPTED to offer that IT is OK. That we should ACCEPT this behavior as being NATURAL. Yet EVEN nature PLAINLY shows that such is NOT the NATURAL course of ANIMALS or MEN. For there can BE NO procreation created NATURALLY through such practices.

I contend that there is MUCH LESS hate involved, EXPECIALLY in the Christian Community, and that this PERCEPTION of hate has been 'created and perpetuated' MOSTLY by the homosexual community in an effort to FURTHER their GOAL of universal acceptance. INDICATING that IF one does NOT ACCEPT it and CONDONE it, that this is DONE through HATE. Totally the OPPOSITE of the TRUTH. For ''I'' do NOT 'hate' homosexuals for their behavior. I would SPEAK out AGAINST such behavior in FAVOR of that which is NATURAL. But in speaking so, there is NO animosity in MY heart towards homosexuals ANY MORE than I would offer HATE to the fornicator or liar.

It is HATEFUL for those that participate in such behavior to ATTEMPT to convince their neighbors that such perverse behavior is OK or to be CONDONED. For to TEACH our children that it's OK is to LEAD them in a direction CONTRADICTORY to God's Word.

Are we to HATE those that are LOST? Of COUR$E NOT. We are to LOVE them like any other. And through an attempt to TEACH them of their folly ONLY goes to outwardly SHOW our love in their direction. For IF it was simply a matter of HATE, there would BE NO attempt at EXPLAINING to them the destruction involved with their CHOICE, but ONLY condemnation offered. Yet I have witnessed MUCH LESS of THAT than an attempt to EXPLAIN and HELP those that have so chosen to behave contradictory to God's will.

And God's will is PLAINLY offered throughout scripture as concerns HOMOSEXUALITY. For a man and A WOMAN are to BECOME ONE. NEVER have we been offered in scripture that TWO men are to become ONE. Or TWO women for that matter.

But we have been offered the degree of deprivation that comes to those that TURN their BACKS on God. That THESE do use their bodies in UNATURAL ways. Men that would lay with other men. or Women laying with other women. Choosing to put aside that which has been offered from above to seek out and perpetuate that offered in the FLESH. That spirit of rebelion that FIRST caused the separation of God and mankind.

Satan is a performer of OPPOSITION. He thrives on that which is OPPOSED to God's will. And THROUGH this VERY type of worship, many SERVE him rather than our TRUE Father. We can SEE this OPPOSITE spectrum of his desire in DARKNESS verses LIGHT, in Wrong verses RIGHT, in Hate verses LOVE. and in men with men rather than men with women. For the woman WAS created FROM man. And their NATURAL affection is to BECOME one; Woman a PART of man, and MAN NEEDING that PART to BECOME whole AGAIN. NEVER have we been offered even INDICATION of the opposite being TRUTH or EVEN POSSIBLE.

And WHY do you suppose does the homosexual community INSIST upon being ACCEPTED as NORMAL? It is the will of Satan to subvert ALL that is TRUTH into a following of that which is OPPOSED to truth. That OTHERS not only ACCEPT such behavior but openly CONDONE it. God forbid should this EVER become the course of The Church. I do NOT believe that it's EVEN possible. But IF the 'churches' all fall to this conception, then that would LEAVE NO TRUE Chruch. That body would CEASE to exist and that would CERTAINLY signal the END.

Blessings,

MEC

 

[destiny]

Well said destiny but I believe there is more to it, at least I found it to be true
with my previous problems, and no I wasn't a Sodomite. Until I gave 100% of myself
to Christ everything I put my hand to failed. :smt030

Thanks,
turnorburn

I have found that total resolve to obey God is the key to my sin problems. But, the author of confusion-perversion is satan, not God. He gave us authority over demonic harassment.

 

[turnorburn]

Well said destiny but I believe there is more to it, at least I found it to be true
with my previous problems, and no I wasn't a Sodomite. Until I gave 100% of myself
to Christ everything I put my hand to failed. :smt030

Thanks,
turnorburn

I have found that total resolve to obey God is the key to my sin problems. But, the author of confusion-perversion is satan, not God. He gave us authority over demonic harassment.

Yes he did and I'm so glad he did

 

[Imagican]

Well said destiny but I believe there is more to it, at least I found it to be true
with my previous problems, and no I wasn't a Sodomite. Until I gave 100% of myself
to Christ everything I put my hand to failed. :smt030

Thanks,
turnorburn

I have found that total resolve to obey God is the key to my sin problems. But, the author of confusion-perversion is satan, not God. He gave us authority over demonic harassment.

AH, the KEY you have found INDEED!!! For it is ONLY when we are ABLE to 'turn it over to God' that He is ABLE to offer us the strength to DO that which we are UNABLE 'on our own'. And what a wonderous feeling and understanding it IS to KNOW God in such a manner. For WHEN we let HIM step in and HELP, it IS then that we KNOW God without ANY DOUBT. it is THEN that WE are able to SHARE the love that He has for us. Amazing ain't it?

Blessings,

MEC

 

[turnorburn]

Well said destiny but I believe there is more to it, at least I found it to be true
with my previous problems, and no I wasn't a Sodomite. Until I gave 100% of myself
to Christ everything I put my hand to failed. :smt030

Thanks,
turnorburn

I have found that total resolve to obey God is the key to my sin problems. But, the author of confusion-perversion is satan, not God. He gave us authority over demonic harassment.

AH, the KEY you have found INDEED!!! For it is ONLY when we are ABLE to 'turn it over to God' that He is ABLE to offer us the strength to DO that which we are UNABLE 'on our own'. And what a wonderous feeling and understanding it IS to KNOW God in such a manner. For WHEN we let HIM step in and HELP, it IS then that we KNOW God without ANY DOUBT. it is THEN that WE are able to SHARE the love that He has for us. Amazing ain't it?

Blessings,

MEC

Aye mate, it is amazing indeed

 

[paulo75]

On a more serious note it means to stop living for yourselves and start living for Christ.
Bury the old you and become new, but in order to do this you will need to go all the way
giving 100%. He left his glory behind came here to rescue us, suffered and died, came
back to life and now is seated where he belongs, at the right hand of God the Father.

Thanks,
turnorburn

I would agree with that completely. Whether you believe that homosexuality is either right or wrong, or if you agree with the evolutionary theory for example; neither of those are important when it comes to living for Christ and practicing the Christian doctrine.

 

[Cornelius]

I would agree with that completely. Whether you believe that homosexuality is either right or wrong, or if you agree with the evolutionary theory for example; neither of those are important when it comes to living for Christ and practicing the Christian doctrine.

There really is no choice given to us as to : yes I believe it’s wrong or no I do not believe it’s wrong. We never see that choice given. Homosexuality is mentioned as sin in the New Testament as well and there really is no :" interpretation" problem. God, in His Word, tells us clearly this is wrong.

But luckily He does not leave the homosexual person there, He also gives the way out. Many of the New Testament believers came out of homosexuality.1Co 6:9 Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men,
1Co 6:10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye were washed, but ye were sanctified, but ye were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God.

The way out ,is through death to self and stepping into the life of Christ, which is now in you.It's God "job" to bring you out of it in manifestation, but your job is: to believe that Jesus already "freed the captives" at the cross, when He said: It is finished.

Nothing shall be impossible for those who believe.

 

[Ginger]

lol

Anyway,
I am wired this way.
I was born this way.
It's who I am.


All through the NT Christ is preaching to deny oneself.
What does that mean?

Are you saying you are a homosexual, a practicing one? Or am I missing something, I do get confused easily on forums :

 

[3rddayuprising]

Have you ever seen an upside-down tree? You know, with the roots up in the air and the branches and leaves under the ground? Probably not.

Have you ever seen a two-headed bird? Or a dog with two tails? If you have...it would be called a “freak of natureâ€Â. A “freak of nature†is something that is contrary to God’s original plan. The way that things would be if mankind - with its’ fallen nature of sin - had not interfered and messed things up.

That is basically why homosexuality is an abomination (Leviticus 20:13). Because it is against nature. It is a perversion of God’s original plan and His intention for the human race. “Male and female created He them.†And then God commanded them to “be fruitful and multiply.†(Gen. 1: 27, 28)

Obviously two men or two women in their perverted and unclean sexual activities can not procreate. In such an unnatural relationship they have to depend on artificial and surrogate means to have children to raise. Even then, the children are in an awful situation where they can’t benefit from the Godly union of a man and woman, where the male and female characteristics are present to nurture them in a Godly and balanced way.

Some would like to defend homosexuality and lesbians by saying that it is “not a choice, they were born that way.†Well, whether they were born that way or not, satan still interfered with natures’ original process and perverted the outcome (as he did in the garden of Eden). Satan either messes with genetics before birth or causes abuse and trauma, so that these perversions enter a person at some point in their life.

You were also born with a sin nature (Psalms 51:5), but you still must repent and receive Christ as your Lord and Savior to be forgiven and set free. Provision has been made by the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ...to “right all wrongs,†to restore to the original pattern, to transform all perversions to their proper condition. So you are held accountable to that God-given provision...to be healed, restored and made whole. To either receive it and benefit by it, or reject it and suffer the consequences. That is now your choice!

You see, some people can be born with a certain abnormality, handicap, or disease, but we are certainly looking for a cure for them aren’t we? Because we don’t accept it as “normalâ€Â. It is the same with the vile and perverted lifestyle of homosexuality...it is as unclean and deadly as a cancer. Whether you’re born with it or contract it afterwards. And there is a cure...which is Forgiveness, Healing and Restoration in the Name of Jesus Christ - by the Power and Love of God.

Sin must be acknowledged AS SIN in the face of Truth and Gods’ Mercy, and He will be there to set you free and make you a productive and Godly person in His kingdom.

Remember Sodom and Gomorrah. It is still “Repent or Perish!†Is this “hate literatureââ¬Â? Absolutely! God hates SIN! But, yes, He loves the sinner. (That's why He provided the way for healing and deliverance.) Therefore, it is also "LOVE and TRUTH" literature.

 

[Rick W]

lol

Anyway,
I am wired this way.
I was born this way.
It's who I am.


All through the NT Christ is preaching to deny oneself.
What does that mean?

Are you saying you are a homosexual, a practicing one? Or am I missing something, I do get confused easily on forums :

lol
:

Doesn't matter who you are or what you are we are all on a level playing field from the word go. We could start with pride and go from there. We all have it, we all have that sinful nature within us, it's who we are, it's our very constitution.
Many accept the phrase, "We must become more like Him." but there's a little more to it. "... and become less of ourselves." Even within the definition of "normal" there's a huge change necessary to becoming "The new man" (or woman as the case may be)
No, I'm not homosexual but I'm sinful in need of Christ's gift of mercy and saving grace. I'm still in this body of flesh and denying my pride is the toughest thing I've ever attempted. My heart's in the right place but my flesh keeps getting in the way.

Romans 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

 

[turnorburn]

WARNING: GRAPHIC AND SEXUAL DESCRIPTIONS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR CHILDREN

By Peter LaBarbera and Allyson Smith

SAN FRANCISCO  Hundreds of men yesterday bared their genitals and some engaged in open sex acts and orgies on city streets, as police stood by and did nothing, at the “Folsom Street Fair,†an annual celebration of sadomasochism.

These two reporters for Americans For Truth videotaped and photographed open sex acts on city streets  including orgies involving men fondling and sometimes fellating one another, as crowds looked on and took photos at this celebration of “kink†that reportedly drews over 200,000 visitors. The relatively small number of police present took a “hands off†approach toward the sadistic “fair†– and did not stop the public sex and nudity.

One police officers agreed with us that public indecency laws “apparently†were not being enforced at the Fair – saying that it is expected every year that this is what will be seen at Folsom.

The Folsom event has received more attention than usual this year after Concerned Women for America exposed Folsom’s promotional artwork  a sadistic mockery of Da Vinci’s Last Supper painting, with fetishists and “leathermen†replacing Jesus and his 12 disciples, and sex toys sitting atop the table. After protests from the Catholic League, Miller Brewing asked that its logo not be used on the “Last Supper†promotional poster, but it continued to sponsor the event.

The following were witnessed and filmed by these Americans For Truth observers at the Folsom Street Fair yesterday  with no arrests or police action taken despite their occurrence on crowded public city streets:

(Mostly older) men walking down the street completely naked, and posing for photos;
Men masturbating themselves in public, sometimes with a crowd gathering to watch;
Male group orgies in which men masturbated other men, or stimulated them orally (fellatio) on the streets as hundreds of people either watched or passed by;
Men and women whipping and beating each other with floggers, causing red welts;
“Master-slave†couples, both heterosexual and homosexual;
Women walking with their breasts exposed;
Fetishists such as “pony-play†(people dressed as horses) and “uppy play†(people dressed as dogs);
People posing for pictures with public exhibitionists

turnorburn

 

[Ginger]

lol
:

Doesn't matter who you are or what you are we are all on a level playing field from the word go. We could start with pride and go from there. We all have it, we all have that sinful nature within us, it's who we are, it's our very constitution.
Many accept the phrase, "We must become more like Him." but there's a little more to it. "... and become less of ourselves." Even within the definition of "normal" there's a huge change necessary to becoming "The new man" (or woman as the case may be)
No, I'm not homosexual but I'm sinful in need of Christ's gift of mercy and saving grace. I'm still in this body of flesh and denying my pride is the toughest thing I've ever attempted. My heart's in the right place but my flesh keeps getting in the way.

Romans 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Well I did wonder as you are an administrator on a christian forum!

But yes you are right we are all the same when we are born we all have sinful natures different people have different problems. My sin is no less of an abomination than a gay man in God's eyes we all need to repent (to turn from it 'be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God." ) and to turn to God and don't have excuses about our sin.

 

[St Francis]

.....But yes you are right we are all the same when we are born we all have sinful natures different people have different problems. My sin is no less of an abomination than a gay man in God's eyes we all need to repent (to turn from it 'be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God." ) and to turn to God and don't have excuses about our sin.

I agree. I think the big problem, though, is that while we recognize other sins as being sins (theft, murder, etc.) many people do not recognize homosexual sex as actually being a sin anymore. How can you get people to repent of their sin when schools and TV are telling them the behavior is acceptable?

Schools are a real breeding ground for this stuff. Youngsters seem to be almost unanimous these days in saying that a homosexual lifestyle is okay. This is what are education system has wrought.

 

[John]

I apologize if this was already brought up i never read the entire thread.

Homosexuality is not genetic.


Many laymen now believe that homosexuality is part of who a person really is ­ from the moment of conception.

The "genetic and unchangeable" theory has been actively promoted by gay activists and the popular media. Is homosexuality really an inborn and normal variant of human nature?

No. There is no evidence that shows that homosexuality is simply "genetic." And none of the research claims there is.

 

[St Francis]

I apologize if this was already brought up i never read the entire thread.

Homosexuality is not genetic.


Many laymen now believe that homosexuality is part of who a person really is ­ from the moment of conception.

The "genetic and unchangeable" theory has been actively promoted by gay activists and the popular media. Is homosexuality really an inborn and normal variant of human nature?

No. There is no evidence that shows that homosexuality is simply "genetic." And none of the research claims there is.

Even if it WERE genetic, it wouldn't matter though. Someone on the first page of this thread compared it to alcoholism. That was pretty good. He said an alcoholic is normal but still has to know that being drunk is sinful. So even if homosexuality WERE genetic, acting on it is still a sin, and they need to recognize that. Kleptomania might be another good analogy too.

 

[John]

Ok