How Daniel saw more than one Abomination

[Cyberseeker]

Abominations of the blasphemous kind tend to repeat because they are the fruit of an antichrist spirit which is always with us. (1John 4:3) Whenever the spirit manifests itself in the form of a man we get 'Antichrist' and that is why St John says, "… you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come." (1 John 2:18) With this in mind, we observe Daniels visions having several (not just one) antichrists, hence abominations (plural) and the gradual revealing of a future 'man of sin.'

The first example in Daniel’s book is Nebuchadnezzar. He set up an abomination, a statue, representative of Babylon and of himself ("You are that head of gold" Dan 2:38) , and all people everywhere were forced to worship it. (Dan 3:1-7)

The next example is an overview of world history as it pertains to 'beast' dominions that would arise. They were a lion (Babylon), a bear (Medo-Persia), a leopard (Greece) and a terrifying beast. (Rome) Their characteristics were that of antichrist - conquest and power. Then, from out of the fourth beast came ten 'horns' and from out of these another horn who, "had eyes like the eyes of a human being and a mouth that spoke boastfully." (Dan 7:8) He would, speak against the Most High and oppress God’s holy people who would be delivered into his hands for a "time, times and half a time." (Dan 7:25) This is Antichrist who is yet to come.

It might be helpful at this point to notice how the 'times' mentioned are the same period referenced in the book of Revelation. The end-time 3½ years are not taken from Daniel chapter nine as so often assumed since that would require the 'seventieth week' to be broken off and sent to the future. Such an interpretation is unnecessary because a different 3½ year period is already revealed in Daniel chapter seven.

 

[Cyberseeker]

The best known AoD in the book of Daniel is that of Antiochus Epiphanes who desecrated the Jewish temple in 167 BC. This is the subject of chapter eight which is described in such detail that liberal scholars have tried to 'doctor' the authorship so to make it appear written after the advent had already happened.

The least understood case of abomination is the one which happened in the middle of the seventieth week. (AD 30) Some have muddled it with the AoD to come but it was really the continuation of sacrifice after Christ had said, "Finished!" In this case it 'overspread' (Dan 9:27 KJV) from the initial blasphemy for another forty years until the desolation of the temple became complete.

Chapter eleven provides the fifth example, an interesting one because it demonstrates dual fulfilment, ie. how some prophecy has a near fulfilment with a far one later on. The first section predicts more background of Antiochus culminating in, "Then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation." (Dan 11:31) From verse 36 however, the text telescopes forward to a different person, similar in 'spirit', but whose actions no longer match the Greek tyrant. It is obviously alluding to a future Antichrist.

We finally come to Daniel 12:11 speaking about the '1335 and 1290 days.' The figures given have no connection to the Antiochus figures quoted in chapter eight, so there is obviously more than one abomination of desolation in Daniels writings. The figures do tie in with the calendar at the time of the cross, so the temple’s alternative sacrifice makes two abominations. However, the context of chapter twelve references future aspects awaiting fulfilment which indicates a 1290-day span may come around again. That makes three separate, identifiable AoD's in the book of Daniel, four if we count Nebuchadnezzar’s statue.

What say ye? Do we agree there are more than one AoD?

 

[Elijah674]

The best known AoD in the book of Daniel is that of Antiochus Epiphanes who desecrated the Jewish temple in 167 BC. This is the subject of chapter eight which is described in such detail that liberal scholars have tried to 'doctor' the authorship so to make it appear written after the advent had already happened.

The least understood case of abomination is the one which happened in the middle of the seventieth week. (AD 30) Some have muddled it with the AoD to come but it was really the continuation of sacrifice after Christ had said, "Finished!" In this case it 'overspread' (Dan 9:27 KJV) from the initial blasphemy for another forty years until the desolation of the temple became complete.

Chapter eleven provides the fifth example, an interesting one because it demonstrates dual fulfilment, ie. how some prophecy has a near fulfilment with a far one later on. The first section predicts more background of Antiochus culminating in, "Then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation." (Dan 11:31) From verse 36 however, the text telescopes forward to a different person, similar in 'spirit', but whose actions no longer match the Greek tyrant. It is obviously alluding to a future Antichrist.

We finally come to Daniel 12:11 speaking about the '1335 and 1290 days.' The figures given have no connection to the Antiochus figures quoted in chapter eight, so there is obviously more than one abomination of desolation in Daniels writings. The figures do tie in with the calendar at the time of the cross, so the temple’s alternative sacrifice makes two abominations. However, the context of chapter twelve references future aspects awaiting fulfilment which indicates a 1290-day span may come around again. That makes three separate, identifiable AoD's in the book of Daniel, four if we count Nebuchadnezzar’s statue.

What say ye? Do we agree there are more than one AoD?

Daniel saw both!;) Eccl. 3:15 (Eccl. 1:9-10) And yes, God says so!
First the Midnight Cry of Matt. 25's DESOLATE HOUSE (Matt. 23:38 & FOLD! Isa. 5:3 Prophesy)

Then 39 years later the LOUD CRY of the Slaughter of 70 AD's Temple +. (compare Eze. 9)

OK: For the next repeat that he saw, both Christ & Paul documented that the Prophesy will 'BE CUT SHORT IN RIGHTOUSNESS'! No more 39 years again seen for the Eze. 9 fullfillment this time around. (or there would have been) In fact, we see in Lev. 16's Day of Atonement a 'Seven Times' appliciation. Verses 14 & 19. And 'time years' or 'day years'? Eze. 4:6 & Num. 14:34

--Elijah

 

[Codger]

Daniel mentions the phrase "Abomination that causes Desolation" three different times in his prophetic writings that cover about 600 years.

The 1290 days of Daniel 12:11 - Is the period of time from when the Armies around Jerusalem were present and AoD is seen in the Holy place - until the time that the sacrifice failed in 70AD.

Daniel 11:29-32 Is the prophesy of Antiochus Epiphanes and it is the events Ezekiel 38-39 covered, which was an apocalyptic account of his actions.

Daniel 9:27 is an account of the false condemnation of Jesus at his trial in the Sanhedrin's meeting place in the Chamber of Hewn Stones.

 

[Elijah674]

Daniel mentions the phrase "Abomination that causes Desolation" three different times in his prophetic writings that cover about 600 years.

The 1290 days of Daniel 12:11 - Is the period of time from when the Armies around Jerusalem were present and AoD is seen in the Holy place - until the time that the sacrifice failed in 70AD.

Daniel 11:29-32 Is the prophesy of Antiochus Epiphanes and it is the events Ezekiel 38-39 covered, which was an apocalyptic account of his actions.

Daniel 9:27 is an account of the false condemnation of Jesus at his trial in the Sanhedrin's meeting place in the Chamber of Hewn Stones.

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[Elijah674]

Part one of anothers work identified at the bottom. This only Identifies the ONE Church Fold. Laodicea as the Seventh of Rev. 3
-Elijah

Part one:

THE 70 WEEK PROPHECY OF DANIEL

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Daniel 9:24-27 is one of the most misinterpreted passages in Bible prophecy today. Virtually all your hear today about end time events hinges on the correct interpretation of these few verses. I will present what I believe to be the correct interpretation, which is quite different from what you generally hear.
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Dan 9:24
This verse sets the goals of the 70 week prophecy of Daniel.
(A) "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,"
- This sets the time period at 70 weeks. It is generally accepted here that you must use the day = year prophecy formula (Num 14:34, Ezek 4:6), yielding a time period of 490 years from start to completion.
- The word determined here actually means "cut off". This 70 weeks are cut off from, or begin at the same time as, the larger 2300 day (year) prophecy of Dan 8:14, which has as it's focus the cleansing of the sanctuary in heaven, the beginning of Judgment. So both the 70 week (490 year) and the 2300 day (year) prophecy begin at the same date. Note that you can not arbitrarily apply the year for a day principle in one case and not another, you must remain consistent. Dan 8:26 strongly hints that the 2300 day prophecy in verse 14 is not just 2300 days, but many days more than it literally indicates. This would also support using year instead of day.
(B) "to finish the transgression (rebellion),"
- Meaning to the Jews: end your transgression of (rebellion against) God's Law and return to obedience.
- Alludes to the victory of Jesus Christ over transgression at the cross.
(C) "and to make an end of sins,"
- Meaning to the Jews: repent from sin.
- Alludes to the victory of Jesus Christ over sin at the cross.
(D) "and to make reconciliation for iniquity,"
- Meaning to the Jews: Atonement for sins through sacrificial temple ceremonies (symbolic of Jesus).
- Alludes to the reconciliation for iniquity by Jesus Christ at the cross.
(E) "and to bring in everlasting righteousness,"
- Alludes to the death of Jesus the Messiah at the cross making everlasting righteousness available to all with faith. Without His death at the cross we are all condemned to the second death. By His death on the cross, the requirement of the Law was met and His everlasting righteousness established. Psa 119:142
(F) "and to seal up the vision and prophecy,"
- To complete Jesus' divine mission according to the prophecy, at the exact appointed times. The exact date of Jesus' baptism was predicted by Daniel and every prophecy about the crucifixion, including Daniel's which gave the exact date, was sealed (fulfilled) during the 70 weeks.
- Included in this is the 2300 day (year) prophecy of Dan 8:14, which is the longest prophetic period in the Bible. At it's conclusion, it will be the last specific prophetic date that can be calculated with accuracy, hence there is a finishing (sealing) of this vision of Daniel and an end to all prophetic dates. Because Daniel predicted the historical events of the 70 weeks with complete accuracy, we can also trust that the 2300 day (year) prophecy is just as accurate.
(G) "and to anoint the most Holy."
- As the earthly temple was anointed in Lev 8:10-11, so the heavenly temple was anointed by Jesus as he assumed the role of our High Priest, on his return to heaven. Also, Jesus himself was anointed as the Messiah at His Baptism (Mat 3:16, Mark 1:9, Luke 3:21).
So verse 24 has set the goals of the 70 week prophecy of Daniel. The twofold focus of the prophecy: first on the Jews reconciling themselves with God within the appointed time (490 years), and second, Jesus being baptized and paying the price of sin at the cross for us and becoming our High Priest. Note that there is nothing in verse 24 referring to the millennial kingdom, or the antichrist, or a seven year tribulation and there is nothing to indicate the 490 years are anything but a continuous period of time that ended in 34 A.D.
Dan 9:25
(A) "Know therefore and understand, that"
(B) "from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem"
- There were actually four commands issued that can be located in scripture and must be considered:
(1) Ezra 1:1-14, 1st year of Cyrus, dated to 537 B.C.
(2) Ezra 6:1-12, 2nd year of Darius dated to 520 B.C.
(3) Ezra 7:1-27, 7th year of Artaxerxes dated to 457 B.C.
(4) Neh 2:1-8, 20th year of Artaxerxes dated to 444 B.C.
Given the generally accepted age of 30 for Jesus (Luke 3:23) at His baptism in the 15th year of Tiberius (Luke 3:1) which can be established as 27 A.D., only one of the decrees fits, that being the 3rd given in 457 B.C. The others are either too early or too late to be the command referred to. So starting at 457 B.C. would place the year of the crucifixion, (which happened 3 1/2 years after His baptism), at 31 A.D., and the end of the 70 weeks, or 490 years, at 34 A.D.
- Using this same starting date of 457 B.C. for the 2300 day (year) prophecy of Dan 8:14, you arrive at the date 1844 A.D. as the date for the start of Judgment in heaven (the cleansing of the sanctuary). In the Temple ceremonies of the Jews, this event occurred only once each year, at Yom Kippur, a type for judgment day. It has been underway in heaven since 1844 and continues at this moment. This is why at the second coming there appears to be no judgment - the Saints both living and dead meet Jesus in air (the rapture) and accompany him to the New Jerusalem in heaven, there to reign with Jesus for the 1000 years (John 14:2-3). For more information on the timing of the second advent rapture, see

The truth about the rapture.
(C) "unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks:"
- After 69 weeks the Messiah will be anointed by God as such. This happened at the Baptism of Jesus by John when the Holy Spirit descended as a dove and God the father announced Jesus as his Son. The end of the 69 weeks is mentioned by Jesus in Mark 1:15 when He says "The time is fulfilled". Counting down 69 weeks of years (483) you arrive at 27 A.D. Futurists generally try to tie this event to the triumphal entry into Jerusalem. Yet Jesus entry into Jerusalem was NOT when He was first recognized as the Messiah, except perhaps by the people of Jerusalem. God the Father and the Holy Spirit anointed him as the Messiah at his Baptism - the entry into Jerusalem pales in comparison to this holy event.
(D) "the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times."
- The rebuilding of Jerusalem would be rebuilt despite opposition. (Ezra 4:4,5 and Neh 4 + 6)
Dan 9:26
(A) "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:"
- Following the 62 weeks, the Messiah would be crucified for our sins. The 62 weeks, as we saw in verse 25 above, ended in His baptism. The exact time of the crucifixion is not specified here, but it is in verse 27. In effect, this is saying that the crucifixion will follow the anointing.
(B) "and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;"

(part 2 will follow)
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[Elijah674]

Part 2:

- First, the prince that shall come can apply to Titus, who tried to protect the Temple, but his soldiers destroyed it anyway against his explicit orders. This does fit the historical evidence.
- Alternately, this can be interpreted as Jesus being the prince that shall come. Following this logic, the unbelieving Jews through their rebellion against God and Roman rule, brought about the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem. The city and sanctuary were destroyed in 70 A.D. by the Roman general Titus, crushing the Jewish rebellion, fulfilling this prophecy. The unbelieving Jews had rejected the ultimatum contained in the 70 week prophecy, and their destruction and scattering in 70 A.D. was the result. Both interpretations appear to fit.

(C) "and the end thereof shall be with a flood,"
- According to contemporary historians, the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple was swift like a flood.

(D) "and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."
- One interpretation continues to apply this to the war with Rome and the destruction of 70 A.D.
- It may also mean that until the end of the war with Satan and sin, Jerusalem and the Temple will be desolate (lack the presence of God), their house being desolate - Mat 23:38 and Luke 13:35. To date this appears to be the case. See also verse 27(C).

Dan 9:27
(A) "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:"
- Some would claim that the "he" could not refer to Jesus since his ministry on earth was only 3 1/2 years in length. They try to apply this to the antichrist (the prince who shall come in verse 26) and a 7 year peace treaty (covenant) with the Jews. Note the following, verses in red were spoken by Jesus-

(NIV) Mat 26:28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
(KJV) Mark 10:45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
(NIV) Mark 14:24 "This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many," he said to them.
(KJV) Rom 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
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- During this 70th week, the Gospel was preached only to the Jews to confirm the 70 week prophecy (Matt 10:5, 6 and Acts 11:19).
- The event that ends the 70 weeks is the stoning of Stephen as found in Acts 7:59. At that point (Acts 22:20-21) the Gospel was no longer preached exclusively to the Jews. (See also Acts 10:45, 11:18, 13:46, 14:27, 15:9, 18:6). The Jews are no longer the exclusively chosen people of God (Gal 3:28). See also the parable of Mark 12:1 and Luke 20:9. The original husbandmen (the Jews) of the vineyard are rejected, and replaced, never to tend the vineyard again. This does not mean they have been rejected as individuals. They can still be saved by faith in Jesus like anyone else. Promises made to the Jewish nation have been rejected by the Jews due to their unbelief, ... (as a Nation)

- So the final week of the 70 week period left to the Jews continues unbroken from the baptism of Jesus in 27 A.D. thru to 34 A.D., to confirm and fulfill (seal up) the prophecy of Daniel.
(B) "and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,"
- In the middle of the week, in 31 A.D., Jesus is crucified, bringing an end to the meaning of the temple sacrifices, which were a type (shadow) of his sacrifice at the cross. This is confirmed by the tearing of the veil in the Temple at the instant of his death, exposing the most holy place (Mat 27:51, Mark 15:38, Luke 23:45). The fact that Temple ceremonies continued until 70 A.D. is irrelevant. There was no longer any meaning in what they were doing-

(C) "and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation,"
- The temple in Jerusalem will remain desolate, lacking the presence of God, until the end of time. (Mat 23:38-39, Luke 13:35)
- Whether the Jews rebuilt the temple or not is irrelevant. It will remain in desolation. In fact, rebuilding the Temple and a resumption of Temple sacrifices would be the ultimate manifestation of unbelief and a complete rejection of Jesus Christ, the Messiah. It would be an abomination.

(D) "and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."
- This has an initial application with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in 70 A.D. The Roman armies first surrounded Jerusalem in 66 A.D. and then withdrew for some unexplained reason. The believing Jews understood Mat 24:15 to apply to them and they fled the city at this opportunity. The Roman armies soon returned and laid siege to Jerusalem, resulting in it's fall in 70 A.D. At that time thousand of Jews were slaughtered, not one of them was Christian. So this part of verse 27 finds fulfillment in 70 A.D. It may also be interpreted that Jerusalem and the temple will remain desolate of God until the execution of Judgment on the wicked, beginning with the last 7 plagues. That is to say Jesus will not dwell with His people until He does so after the second coming when the righteous dead are raised and the living are transformed, and they all join Him in the clouds (Rev 21:22).

Chiasm of Daniel 9:25-27
CONCLUSION
The focus of Dan 9:24-27 is the fulfillment of prophecy with regard to Jesus as Messiah, His baptism and death on the cross. It is also an ultimatum to the Jews to repent and accept the Gospel message of Jesus the Christ (something they failed to do).The book of Daniel, Verses 20-27 .......

An answer was immediately sent to Daniel's prayer, and it is a very memorable one. We cannot now expect that God should send answers to our prayers by angels, but if we pray with fervency for that which God has promised, we may by faith take the promise as an immediate answer to the prayer; for He is faithful that has promised. Daniel had a far greater and more glorious redemption discovered to him, which God would work out for his church in the latter days. Those who would be acquainted with Christ and his grace, must be much in prayer. The evening offering was a type of the great sacrifice Christ was to offer in the evening of the world: in virtue of that sacrifice Daniel's prayer was accepted; and for the sake of that, this glorious discovery of redeeming love was made to him. We have, in verses ( 24-27 ), one of the most remarkable prophecies of Christ, of his coming and his salvation. It shows that the Jews are guilty of most obstinate unbelief, in expecting another Messiah, so long after the time expressly fixed for his coming. The seventy weeks mean a day for a year, or 490 years. About the end of this period a sacrifice would be offered, making full atonement for sin, and bringing in everlasting righteousness for the complete justification of every believer. Then the Jews, in the crucifixion of Jesus, would commit that crime by which the measure of their guilt would be filled up, and troubles would come upon their nation. All blessings bestowed on sinful man come through Christ's atoning sacrifice, who suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God. Here is our way of access to the throne of grace, and of our entrance to heaven. This seals the sum of prophecy, and confirms the covenant with many; and while we rejoice in the blessings of salvation, we should remember what they cost the Redeemer. How can those escape who neglect so great salvation!
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As you can see from the above quote, Matthew Henry, a Protestant writing in the early 18th century, knew nothing of a gap between the 69th and 70th week, and he knew nothing of a 7 year peace treaty with the antichrist in verse 27.
The futurist interpretation of this passage denies the prophecy of Jesus' baptism in verse 24. It also denies His crucifixion in verse 27 and applies it instead to the antichrist, in an astounding twisting of scripture. I submit the futurist's house is built on sand and will not stand scrutiny. They do not have a case, they have a relatively recent fairy tale designed to obscure the truth and spread confusion, whether they know it or not. The author of that futurist fairy tale is the Catholic Church, specifically a Spanish Jesuit priest by the name of Francisco Ribera (1537-1591). During the counterreformation he concocted the futurist interpretation to deflect reformist claims that the Papacy was the Antichrist of scripture. There is apparently no evidence that the futurist interpretation predates the Catholic counterreformation. It was intended as a smoke screen, and it still works today to a large degree.

See

The Catholic Origins of Futurism and Preterism.
It is interesting to note that, generally speaking, the same people that advocate the pretribulation rapture also hold to the futurist interpretation of Dan 9:24-27. Both are spurious interpretations, fables, that only confuse and deceive. Again, I do not wish to offend anyone, I am simply trying to let you see through the smoke, and see the truth.

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[Elijah674]

Elijah here:
Use the date from Christ's Anointing of the Father at His Baptism by John the Baptist that is recorded as began to be... (Luke 3:23 'be about 30 years of age'). Now start back from the midst of seven (for 1 week, 3 1/2 yrs. both directions using day year prophecy. Numbers 14:34 & Eze,. 4:6) go either direction, forward from 34 AD to 1810 that ends with the 2300 years. (day year)

OK: Now take off the 2300 years backwards and you come up with the exact decree in 457 BC of the decree given to restore and rebuild Jerusalem... forward!

See Ezra 7:13. The date of Christ's Annointing get's one close enough to find all else lining up when year 27 is used as the starting of His annointing from Jehovah. (His Baptism with the decending dove as the starting 'time' for Christ's ministry, as documented approval of Jehovah)

Hey, another thought, why did God give His Blessings of the apostate John baptiseing His Son??? He even had converts [outside] of the Church!
SO DO NOT MISS THIS! The EX/BRIDE WAS ALREADY KNOWN TO BE FINISHED AS ISA. 5:3 PROPHESIED! Yet, there still was the message of Matt. 10:5-6 for the ones still in ignorance who would leave. (Matt. 25 'Go ye OUT to meet Him.') But 'her' house was D-E-S-O-L-A-T-E! Matt. 23:38!


THE 70 WEEK PROPHECY OF DANIEL

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[Cyberseeker]

Daniel mentions the phrase "Abomination that causes Desolation" three different times in his prophetic writings that cover about 600 years.

True

The 1290 days of Daniel 12:11 - Is the period of time from when the Armies around Jerusalem were present and AoD is seen in the Holy place - until the time that the sacrifice failed in 70AD.

The temple was destroyed 4th August AD70. 1290 days before that would have been 22nd January AD67. Are you saying that was the day the Roman armies surrounded Jerusalem? If so, can you supply your historical sources?

 

[Cyberseeker]

11 … And from the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.

If this was written in our day using Greek logic then it would read…

11 … And from the time that the abomination of desolation is set up until the regular sacrifice is abolished (Fails), there will be 1,290 days.

Note that the author listed the two events in reverse chronologic order - very confusing. But we are still looking for the time in days between the two events which is 1,290. Remember it is the “abomination that causes desolation†or that is to say the “transgression that desolates.†First the transgression and then the desolation in that order. That’s why I say it is in reverse order. This is a key to understanding the passage.

Jasher, I appreciate how much work you have done but turning the order around as you have done is not Kosher. It may sound more logical to you but Hebrew scholars have been translating these scriptures for thousands of years and not one translation puts it in that order, not one.

I think that to get to the bottom of these numbers we must stay true to the original text. As for your historical info, I'll get back to you. The Pella incident is interesting.

 

[Vic C.]

I'd like to add a little something to Elijah's post.

- During this 70th week, the Gospel was preached only to the Jews to confirm the 70 week prophecy (Matt 10:5, 6 and Acts 11:19).
- The event that ends the 70 weeks is the stoning of Stephen as found in Acts 7:59. At that point (Acts 22:20-21) the Gospel was no longer preached exclusively to the Jews.

It is indeed noteworthy to mention that after the stoning of Stephen, the Gospel was then brought to the Gentiles, with Cornelius being the first mentioned in Acts. :yes

Daniel 9:25-27 was all about Messiah, with a parenthesis in the prophecy pointing to 70AD...and the 70th. week has come and gone.

 

[Alabaster]

 

[Cyberseeker]

Love your gap diagram Al. I think I might show it to my bank and suggest they do the same. Just imagine smile a 2000 year break in mortgage payments. Everybody should have one. :D

 

[Vic C.]

Love your gap diagram Al. I think I might show it to my bank and suggest they do the same. Just imagine smile a 2000 year break in mortgage payments. Everybody should have one. :D

I'm sorry, I couldn't resist. It's just that the gap theory is as strange to me as the view I now hold was a few years ago. :yes

 

[Hitch]

I'm sorry, I couldn't resist. It's just that the gap theory is as strange to me as the view I now hold was a few years ago. :yes

Cant you remember in Yellow Submarine how the lads had a hole that could carry around and use when needed?

 

[reba]

69 weeks = 483 days and we know a day is as a 1000 years so that would be 483,000 days. The is about 1323.29 years O but a day is as thousand years so that is 1323290 years? Goodness why cant God just count simply you know 65,66,67,68,69,70, Modern math?? Did God forget the church age was coming?

 

[Elijah674]

69 weeks = 483 days and we know a day is as a 1000 years so that would be 483,000 days. The is about 1323.29 years O but a day is as thousand years so that is 1323290 years? Goodness why cant God just count simply you know 65,66,67,68,69,70, Modern math?? Did God forget the church age was coming?

Are you posting to God?? Eccl. 12:13-14

Try Eze.4:6 & Numners 14:33-34's day for a year instead of a day for 1000 years & see what the two verse's tell you?

-Elijah

 

[warhorse]

The best known AoD in the book of Daniel is that of Antiochus Epiphanes who desecrated the Jewish temple in 167 BC. This is the subject of chapter eight which is described in such detail that liberal scholars have tried to 'doctor' the authorship so to make it appear written after the advent had already happened.

The least understood case of abomination is the one which happened in the middle of the seventieth week. (AD 30) Some have muddled it with the AoD to come but it was really the continuation of sacrifice after Christ had said, "Finished!" In this case it 'overspread' (Dan 9:27 KJV) from the initial blasphemy for another forty years until the desolation of the temple became complete.

Chapter eleven provides the fifth example, an interesting one because it demonstrates dual fulfilment, ie. how some prophecy has a near fulfilment with a far one later on. The first section predicts more background of Antiochus culminating in, "Then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation." (Dan 11:31) From verse 36 however, the text telescopes forward to a different person, similar in 'spirit', but whose actions no longer match the Greek tyrant. It is obviously alluding to a future Antichrist.

We finally come to Daniel 12:11 speaking about the '1335 and 1290 days.' The figures given have no connection to the Antiochus figures quoted in chapter eight, so there is obviously more than one abomination of desolation in Daniels writings. The figures do tie in with the calendar at the time of the cross, so the temple’s alternative sacrifice makes two abominations. However, the context of chapter twelve references future aspects awaiting fulfilment which indicates a 1290-day span may come around again. That makes three separate, identifiable AoD's in the book of Daniel, four if we count Nebuchadnezzar’s statue.

What say ye? Do we agree there are more than one AoD?

Yes, note Danial 9 ends indicating that abominations continue until the end. And several versus indicate that God is waiting until the indignation is complete. As you have captured, this unboxes a 7 year tribulation and explains 2000+ years of tribulation and 47 million marters to date Ending in a 3 1/2 year period in which the two witnesses and the Man of sin do battle. Followed shortly by the DOTL.

 

[Elijah674]

Daniel mentions the phrase "Abomination that causes Desolation" three different times in his prophetic writings that cover about 600 years.

The 1290 days of Daniel 12:11 - Is the period of time from when the Armies around Jerusalem were present and AoD is seen in the Holy place - until the time that the sacrifice failed in 70AD.

Daniel 11:29-32 Is the prophesy of Antiochus Epiphanes and it is the events Ezekiel 38-39 covered, which was an apocalyptic account of his actions.

Daniel 9:27 is an account of the false condemnation of Jesus at his trial in the Sanhedrin's meeting place in the Chamber of Hewn Stones.

What we want to understand is the ABOMINATION THAT MADE THE HOUSE OF GOD DESOLATE!
Matt. 23:38 finds in the midst of the week Christ was executed! His ex/Virgin House as in Isa, 5:7 & then the reason why in verse 3 ibid. The prophecy was fulfilled to the letter! But UNDERSTAND who immediately took over! satan took over, & they became killers indeed, and it was Christ that satan had them execute! And that was nearing 30 AD.

In 70AD the ex/Virgin House had already been D-E-S-O-L-A-T-Eof Christ with only a few who must flee some 39 years future of their past cut off period. And the reason of warning in Matt. 24 was so these ones of Matt. 23:15 'inmature' ones would have a lingering probation to join the new outside Acts Virgin Fold!

And as far as old Israel who stayed put?? They fullfilled Eze. 9 for the first time prophecy to a T in their slaughter. We have NO KING BUT Caesar was their 'FULL CUP CRY!' And it was so, it took the power of Ceasar to execute Christ. (Church + State!)

And Josh's more than one Abomination?? I agree, yet, surely not in the same way that he see it perhaps? I see Rev. 2:5 & Rev. 3: 9 finding this to be Laodicea's ENDING. Eccl. 1:9-10 + Eccl. 3:15

And Dan.'s Inspiration has got to take in both Christ's & Paul's Inspiration of 'IT WILL BE CUT SHORT IN RIGHTOUSNESS'! (no more 39 years between the Midnight Cry ABOMINATION & the 70AD Destruction of Jerusalem)

Let me even add this: We see the Matt. 25 Midnight Cry & then the Matt. 24 LOUD CRY & at Rev.'s FINISH Rev. 14:*9! we see the two crys repeated in the Midnight Cry for Laodicea & then the Loud Cry for ALL THE ABOMINATIONAL FOLDS INCLUDING LAODICEA! Rev. 14:6-10

 

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The best known AoD in the book of Daniel is that of Antiochus Epiphanes who desecrated the Jewish temple in 167 BC. This is the subject of chapter eight which is described in such detail that liberal scholars have tried to 'doctor' the authorship so to make it appear written after the advent had already happened.

The least understood case of abomination is the one which happened in the middle of the seventieth week. (AD 30) Some have muddled it with the AoD to come but it was really the continuation of sacrifice after Christ had said, "Finished!" In this case it 'overspread' (Dan 9:27 KJV) from the initial blasphemy for another forty years until the desolation of the temple became complete.


Chapter eleven provides the fifth example, an interesting one because it demonstrates dual fulfilment, ie. how some prophecy has a near fulfilment with a far one later on. The first section predicts more background of Antiochus culminating in, "Then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation." (Dan 11:31) From verse 36 however, the text telescopes forward to a different person, similar in 'spirit', but whose actions no longer match the Greek tyrant. It is obviously alluding to a future Antichrist.

We finally come to Daniel 12:11 speaking about the '1335 and 1290 days.' The figures given have no connection to the Antiochus figures quoted in chapter eight, so there is obviously more than one abomination of desolation in Daniels writings. The figures do tie in with the calendar at the time of the cross, so the temple’s alternative sacrifice makes two abominations. However, the context of chapter twelve references future aspects awaiting fulfilment which indicates a 1290-day span may come around again. That makes three separate, identifiable AoD's in the book of Daniel, four if we count Nebuchadnezzar’s statue.

What say ye? Do we agree there are more than one AoD?

Agreed
Danial 9v27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,(Jesus) and for the overspreading of abominations(plural) he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, (continuing act) and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.(DOTL)