A day with the lord is as a thousand years that does not mean we can tie it to other prophacy for the timing of events. It just shows that the lords timing is his own.
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How Daniel saw more than one Abomination
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Thanks for the affirmation Warhorse.
Yes, the continuation of animal sacrifice after God had called it 'finished' is the abomination!Something will be set up in the future (in Jerusalem) as an alternative to the finished work on the cross. Whether it is a return to animal sacrifice or something else is not clear but it will be in contradiction to Christ blood. This will be the final abomination precipitating (as you said in your other post) the day of the Lord.
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Thanks for the affirmation Warhorse.
Something will be set up in the future (in Jerusalem) as an alternative to the finished work on the cross. Whether it is a return to animal sacrifice or something else is not clear but it will be in contradiction to Christ blood. This will be the final abomination precipitating (as you said in your other post) the day of the Lord.
What more IMPORTANT (Matt. 23:38) + FATAL 'SPIRITUAL' ABOMINATION could there be than with the Universe RECORDED CENTER/FOLD DESOLATION OF CHRIST'S ex/fold??? [Isa. 5:3] 'seven times' in the Midst of the week' is not 39 years later to the Christless slaughter of 70AD! (1 Peter 1:1-12)
And the ABOMINATION that made DESOLATE, was their rejection of Christ with the killer satan taking Christ's place! And they were turned into a killing machine Church Ceaser state!
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Me again: Well then see if this helps?
Desolate Israel is DOCUMENTED such, by the Godhead!!!
Heb. 13
[8] Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. (but who Believes the Word of God??)
Mal. 4
[6] For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
But satan says otherwise huh. And who believes him?? You be the Judge.
Gen. 3
[1] Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
[2] And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
[3] But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
[4] And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
(and what do most all of rome & her harlot daughters teach about God's Truth on this one as well?)
OK: Israel had a MATURE DECISION to make when Christ came. It is prophetic & the CHOICE is Documented by Christ's [WORD]! In Isaiah 5 we read.. (in part)
Isa.5
[1] Now will I sing to my wellbeloved a song of my beloved touching his vineyard. My wellbeloved hath a vineyard in a very fruitful hill:
[2] And he fenced it, and gathered out the stones thereof, and planted it with the choicest vine, and built a tower in the midst of it, and also made a winepress therein: and he looked that it should bring forth grapes, and it brought forth wild grapes.
[3] And now, O inhabitants of Jerusalem, and men of Judah, [[judge, I pray you, betwixt me and my vineyard.]]
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[7] For the [vineyard of the LORD of hosts is the house] of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant: and he looked for judgment, but behold oppression; for righteousness, but behold a cry.
John 1:11 His [OWN] REJECTING HIM as a Virgin Fold!
John 12
[42] Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:
[43] For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.
(and what is New God asks?? Eccl. 3:15)
And the Climax of John 19
[14] And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!
[15] But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priest answered, We have no king but Caesar.
But what does one hear? God's Word again is called untruthful by satan! And what is it that you teach about these ones that sinned against the Holy Ghost as a nation? Lets see some more of what The Word of God DOCUMENTS!
Matt. 23
[37] O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, [and ye] would not!
[38] Behold, your house [is left unto you desolate.]
(Isa. 5 calls the House of God His VINEYARD! Virgin Fold, where He was supposed to be meeting with His Chosen. See Rev. 2:5)
OK: When Christ was [[MATURELY] rejected, who took over in his place? The same one as seen as the king of the Rev. 17:1-5 ex/folds of Christ! They became the synagogue of whom in Rev. 3:9. And what was the result of Apostasy?? WE HAVE NO KING BUT CAESAR... [CHURCH + STATE GOVERNMENT]
--Elijah
That is certainly an abomination, and i have often thought there could be no greater abomination. So does that make it the last abomination? wouldnt the continuation of animal sacrifices, a new earthly temple for animal sacrifices, or a temple to another god in the holy mount be an abomination?
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Hi, 'i' am just replying to the posting & with how I see God Documenting it, OK?
There was only one true virgin in doctrinal fold (church) in the O.T. as in Psalms 77:13. Before that it was still true, but with no physical building.
Isa. 5 finds this from the start to the finish. Verse 3 leaves the structure intack with Christ taking the OBEDIENT Matt. 10:1-5 and onward out! (Matt. 25's PARABLE) Anyhow, this Obedient Remnant had Christ INSIDE WITH THEM.
And when Christ was rejected, (and Executed) their HOUSE BECAME DESOLATE. This was the ABOMINATION! Old Israel were now totally CHRISTLESS. And again, WHO IMMEDIATELY TOOK OVER as their KING! (Compare again Laodicea in Rev. 3 & verse 9!) So there is nothing important there except PROPHECY finds the 'milkfed' ones having a future time for escape & where satan will use for his LAST Master DECEPTION.
Surely he will be allowed to set up the man of sin's false religeon there? I have read where rome had purchased 50 acrea,s there some time back, I think that it was?
And what better place to go to deceive planet earth with Matt. 24 false miracle working power? Protestantism are already in bed with Israel in what they teach as END TIME graftings in.
To the truthful person the bible at times is hard to figure, the dishonest person has no such problem because they can create from the bible what they want. I have a problem with the "gap theory" because it is not found in the bible. Everything I have ever read in the bible,both old and new testament, would indicate that Jesus should have returned before the end of the first century(or very close to that). It is obvious that all of the New Testament writers thought that Jesus would return within a human lifetime. I tend to agree with the fellow who said that parts of the bible are very easy to understand but that other parts are mysteries and hard to understand.
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Just a thought: Elijah here.
If one cannot follow God's quoted Truth of Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15 as the Word of God, stated CLEARLY, and in a way that even most of Heb. 5's 'milkfed' ones can even get something from. I suggest that you shy away from Ph.D'ism, the arm of flesh & the Greek, Latin, & Heb., & stick with just one King James translation itself. The BOTTOM line is, is that ALL of these others ways of finding 'some' truth, are the real reasons that have caused the BIGGEST MESS OF DIS/UNITY that the GOSPEL ALONE prophesied of! See Rev. 17:5
And I realize that there are & were some who could not understand Paul's wording of inspiration & that it is scripture that also says that.... 'which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction'. 2 Peter 3:14-17 in part.
Forum: Lets start with Eccl. 3:14.
"I know that, WHATSOEVER GOD DOETH, IT SHALL BE FOREVER: NOTHING CAN BE PUT TO IT, NOR ANY THING TAKEN FROM IT: ..." (in part)
Actually it is just about a repeat even in Wording, as seen in Rev.'s closing verses!
The verses are a WARNING about adding to or removing any part of the Word of God! And the BOTTOM line is that ones name would be removed from the Book of Life. Now for the rest of the 14th verse. "... THAT MEN SHOULD FEAR BEFORE HIM."
For one to say that the Eccl. verses do not mean what they say, is doing just that!
Now look at the verse following verse 14. Verse 15 says.. "THAT WHICH HAS BEEN IS NOW; AND THAT WHICH IS TO BE HAS ALREADY BEEN; AND GOD REQUIRETH THAT WHICH IS PAST." GOD'S WORD says that it is so!
Take note: If it is not to be, God say that it will not be. Example: 'Sin will not arise a second time' Nah. 1:9. And we all know about the world flood not happening a second time? So, there are so very few times that history does not repeat, and that God does the easy thing for [us] by pointing out the lesser number. (by the way, Rev. is full of O.T. Sanctuary! see Ps. 77:13)
If anyone would BELIEVE THE *GODHEAD'S INSPIRED WORD (ALL OF IT! See 2 Tim. 3:16 & Matt. 4:4) they would find Few reasons for mixed up doctrinal folds.
But the bottom line is that even the Virgin Fold is going after the fate of Virgin Israel of old!! (same history) They are once again Christ/less. See Rev. 3:9 or Rev. 17:5! And the nasty repeat for them is VERIFIED in Eze. 9.
Try reading Rev. 12:17 S-L-O-W-L-E-Y! And in Christ's day, who do you think took over the 'DESOLATE' fold that Christ was put out of? It was Christ that stated that 'Your house (fold) is left unto you DESOLATE'. Matt. 23:38.
So, this is what will be the final fate of Spiritual Virgin Israel! (the 666 thing'y is for the world's testing) See 1 Peter 4:17 FOR WHO IS JUDGED FIRST.
Back to Chapter 1:9-10 of Eccl. Lets check to 'see' (if we can) if God made a mistake? (man's foolish 'poetry' remark)
We do remember that we were told that 'IT SHALL BE FOR EVER and that NOTHING CAN BE PUT TO IT NOR ANYTHING TAKEN FROM IT.' (chapter 3:14-15)
"THE THING THAT HATH BEEN IS THAT WHICH SHALL BE; AND THAT WHICH IS DONE IS THAT WHICH SHALL BE DONE: AND THERE IS (NOTHING) *NO NEW THING UNDER THE SUN. v.9
IS THERE [*ANY THING] WHERE OF IT MAY BE SAID, SEE, THIS IS NEW? [IT HATH BEEN ALREADY OF OLD TIME, WHICH WAS BEFORE US.]" v.10
Notice that after the GodHead's question, that Their Inspiration came quickly before 'ignorant' man could botch up the question!! But what does one hear today?? Should we do the 'foolish' (Matt. 25) thing and read & study the 'earthly' educated ones reams & reams of commentaries, with hardly any two alike?? (false fold/wise at least)
Lets just add another 'documented' fact here with these two verses.
In Gen. 41:32 the Lord gave Pharaoh a vision 'TWICE'. (remember now, that we see TWICE at least in the Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15 that history is to be repeated) Also note that God has 'inspired' this thought ... "And for that the dream was [doubled] unto Pharaoh [twice]; it is [because the thing is established by God], and God will shortly bring it to pass.
So bottom line: If you want to know Truth, find it in the past history for the furture history to be! All the way from the 666 test to where God 'tested' His own in the past before they were to enter the land of their Canaan. And the crucifixion of Christ a second time? See Heb. 6:6!
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Not really.Thanks for the affirmation Warhorse.
Mat 5:18 - For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
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But you will agree that some of the jots were fulfilled in the cross. Atoning blood was surely one of them?
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I don't want to sound like preaching to the choir, but I want to make sure we all realize where the gap theory comes from?
Jesus was reading Isaiah about Himself and closed the book in the middle of the sentence of Isaiah and stopped reading it. In other words, he completed the first half of the prophecy, but not the rest of it until his second coming. People have rationalized that if the Lord Himself could stop in the middle of a sentence like that and split it up between first coming and second, that there's justification of the gap theory in Daniel as well.
JFYI (for those who may not know).
Jesus was reading Isaiah about Himself and closed the book in the middle of the sentence of Isaiah and stopped reading it. In other words, he completed the first half of the prophecy, but not the rest of it until his second coming. People have rationalized that if the Lord Himself could stop in the middle of a sentence like that and split it up between first coming and second, that there's justification of the gap theory in Daniel as well.
JFYI (for those who may not know).
Interesting... I did not know that... i still disagree with it whole heartedly, but thanks for the education.
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Hey, you are the young one! Did you read that correctly?? Or are you practicing 2 Cor. 4:2?? (That is a post question by me?)
Christ's Word says: 'Till [HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS,] [ONE JOT OR ONE TITTLE] ...'
Originally Posted by Sinthesis 
Not really.
Christ's Word says: 'Till [HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS,] [ONE JOT OR ONE TITTLE] ...'
Not really.
Mat 5:18 - For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
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Unless you can show how heaven and earth have passed and all has been fulfilled, then you have no basis for calling continued observance of the law through temple sacrifice the abomination of desolation. Foolish? Yes! Abomination? No!
Luk 16:17 - And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass , than one tittle of the law to fail.
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Unless you can show how heaven and earth have passed and all has been fulfilled, then you have no basis for calling continued observance of the law through temple sacrifice the abomination of desolation. Foolish? Yes! Abomination? No!
Luk 16:17 - And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass , than one tittle of the law to fail.
What ABOMINATION could be done more than to EXECUTE the CENTERPIECE OF THE ETERNAL GOSPEL
God/Man Jesus Christ??????? Matt. 23:38
And 70AD had already had found these ones past the boundaries of their probation as Christ's past/tense Virgin Fold!
See Matt. 10:5-6 & then see verse 15! He (Christ) was [OUTSIDE] in Matt. 25 (go ye [out] to meet Him!) with a CLOSED DOOR ibid. (Matt. 25:10's SHUT DOOR!
And in 70 AD the only ones to have a chance to be saved of these ones?? Were the Matt. 23:15 'baby' converts who also were required to flee! (Rev. 18:4 counterpart!!)