How did we become sinners?

[Classik]

How did we become sinners?

The bible says somewhere that a man shall not be put to death (condemned) for the sins of the father, right? A father who sins shall face the required punishment...right? Same with sons to the fathers
Deut 24:16

Even when children were punished for the sins of the father...the curse was terminated at the fourth generation, right?
Ex 20:5, Num 14:18

Good.
So how did we become sinners via Adam.

 

[Gary]

How did we become sinners?

Romans 5
12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—
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[Kathi]

How did we become sinners?

The bible says somewhere that a man shall not be put to death (condemned) for the sins of the father, right? A father who sins shall face the required punishment...right? Same with sons to the fathers
Deut 24:16

Even when children were punished for the sins of the father...the curse was terminated at the fourth generation, right?
Ex 20:5, Num 14:18

Good.
So how did we become sinners via Adam.

We are human.It is passed down from Adam and Eve.

 

[Eugene]

How did we become sinners?

The bible says somewhere that a man shall not be put to death (condemned) for the sins of the father, right? A father who sins shall face the required punishment...right? Same with sons to the fathers
Deut 24:16

Even when children were punished for the sins of the father...the curse was terminated at the fourth generation, right?
Ex 20:5, Num 14:18

Good.
So how did we become sinners via Adam.

We cannot change the nature of Adam we have, though we're not responsible for our ignorance, only that which is revealed to us. Children will lie in a heartbeat.

http://www.wild955.com/onair/curtis-46902/little-girl-lies-about-eating-donut-12696310

 

[follower]

That's commonly thought, but children raised loving the truth, according to Scripture and in Yeshua's training, don't lie.
My sons were the only two at their class who did not lie. The head of the school said it wasn't possible for children not to lie, until after 3 weeks seeing my children daily on school days. Bad morals are so common, it is apparently considered extraordinary or impossible(by the worldly) to have good morals.
Other children, raised right, according to Scripture/Torah in Yhwh's grace, (as by some in Israel, and by some in china, and by some in other places) don't lie, cheat, steal or commit sexual sins -- it doesn't even enter into their thoughts to do so (although later in life, from influences outside the home, ...well... it may happen then....)

"1 Corinthians 15:33Revised Standard Version (RSV)
33 Do not be deceived: “Bad company ruins good morals.”

Proverbs 22:6 KJV - Train up a child in the way he should ...
Proverbs 22:6 King James Version (KJV) 6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

i.e. he won't lie , cheat, steal, or commit adultery later in life either.... Israel went through a lot of us and downs as recorded in Scripture - times they did right, then times they sinned..... according to their leader(s) or other influences(foreign wives for instance).....

 

[turnorburn]

http://christianforums.net/Fellowship/index.php?threads/the-apple.55379/

tob

 

[follower]

biblegateway: "1 Corinthians 7:14King James Version (KJV)
14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy."

 

[Brother Mike]

How did we become sinners?

The bible says somewhere that a man shall not be put to death (condemned) for the sins of the father, right? A father who sins shall face the required punishment...right? Same with sons to the fathers
Deut 24:16

Even when children were punished for the sins of the father...the curse was terminated at the fourth generation, right?
Ex 20:5, Num 14:18

Good.
So how did we become sinners via Adam.

Scripture did not say we all became sinners. Scripture does say the curse came even on those who had not sinned after Adams transgression though. (Rom 5:14) So sin or no sin, the curse ends the same, death. All have sinned anyway and fall short regardless by their own issues.

Scripture does not not say the reason Jesus came was to save sinners. That was an after affect but not the main reason. We tend to forget why He had to come. Jesus came to take something back from someone, something Adam gave away through disobedience.

1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
(Gen 3:15)

Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
(Heb 2:14-15)

The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
(Joh 10:10)

Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
(Col 1:13-14)

 

[rthom7]

If you study all the words of the Bible word you want to find its meaning to, you will discover the Bible tells you what the Bible words means, not Strong's or other human dictionaries, but sola Scriptoria...

The word I have in mind is the Greek word "kathestimi"

Here are all the verses and the translations making the word have a single basic meaning:-

Mt 24:45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

whom his lord hath made a ruler..

Mt 24:47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

That he shall make him ruler

Mt 25:21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

I will make thee ruler

Mt 25:23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

I will make thee ruler

Lu 12:14 And he said unto him, Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you?


Man, who made me a ruler?

Lu 12:42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?

whom his lord shall made a ruler over..

Lu 12:44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.

he will make him a ruler

Ac 6:3 Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.

of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may make a ruler over this business

Ac 7:10 And delivered him out of all his afflictions, and gave him favour and wisdom in the sight of Pharaoh king of Egypt; and he made him governor over Egypt and all his house.

and he made him ruler over Egypt

Ac 7:27 But he that did his neighbour wrong thrust him away, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge over us?

Who made thee a ruler ?

Ac 7:35 This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush.

Who made thee a ruler ?

Ac 17:15 And they that conducted Paul brought him unto Athens: and receiving a commandment unto Silas and Timotheus for to come to him with all speed, they departed.

And they ruled Paul bringing him to Athens..

Ro 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

For as by one man's disobedience many were ruled sinner's..

Tit 1:5 ¶ For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:

and rule elders in every city

Heb 2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

and [made him] ruler over the works..

Heb 5:1 ¶ For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:

every high priest taken from among men is a ruler of men in things pertaining to God

Heb 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

For the law ruleth men as high priests

Heb 8:3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.

For every high priest is a ruler to offer gifts..

Jas 3:6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.

And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so ruleth the tongue among our members..

Jas 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

therefore will be a friend of the world ruleth [as an] enemy of God..

2Pe 1:8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.(KJV)

For if these things be in you, and abound, they ruler over you, that ye ..

Once your happy with every context sounding OK for the context of every verse, you have found the meaning of the word under study. Sure some context might read strange and badly so a few English prepositions here and there is useful.
So the Greek word "kathistemi" means to "establish or set up a ruler, who rules over things"

Now we can answer your question

When Adam and Eve sinned there was a change of rulership over the earth...

Ro 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were ruled sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be ruled righteous.

Satan is the prince of this world and he rules us making us sin ignorantly and later we sin wilfully. Unless you happento be ruled by Jesus under His salvation.

Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

Shalom