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How secure are we in Christ?

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gr8grace

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Apart from the Doctrine of eternal life, do you know that the bible offers all kinds of "rationales" to the validity of eternal security?

The Positional Rationale

The Logical Rationale

The Hand of God Rationale

The Experience Rationale

The Family of God Rationale

The Inheritance of God Rationale

The Body of Christ Rationale

The Sealing of the Holy Spirit Rationale

The Greek Tense Rationale

The Promise of God Rationale

The Eternal Life Rationale

The Love of God Rationale

The Sovereignty of God Rationale

The Imputation Rationale

The Logical rationale: Rom 8:31-32 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things? (Romans 8:31-32)

Paul uses “a fortiori†logic to present God’s way of dealing with mankind.

If God is willing to Give mankind His Highest and Best(His Son) it stands to reason that he would not withhold the lesser(eternal life, deliverance from the lake of fire.....)

The Greek tense Rationale: And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you shall be saved, you and your household.†(Acts 16:31)


The Greek word for “believe†in Acts 16:31 is pisteuo and is in the constantive aeroist tense which means to believe in a point of time which is perpetuated throughout eternity – and you shall be saved forever. This is referring to an instant of faith, and it means once and forever you are saved.

Do you know all these? Do you realize how SECURE you are in Christ?
 
The Hand of God Rationale & The Love of God Rationale - Psalm 17:8
The Family of God Rationale - wedding feast, bride and bridegroom, born into a holy family that's also in heaven.
The Inheritance of God Rationale - 1 Peter 1:4
The Body of Christ Rationale 1 Corinthians 12:27
The Sealing of the Holy Spirit Rationale & The Promise of God Rationale - Ephesians 1:13 & Ephesians 4:30
The Eternal Life Rationale - John 3:36

Jarrod, blessings. If you have, please help fill in the rest of scripture of what I missed. I like the OP.
 
urk said:
The Hand of God Rationale & The Love of God Rationale - Psalm 17:8
The Family of God Rationale - wedding feast, bride and bridegroom, born into a holy family that's also in heaven.
The Inheritance of God Rationale - 1 Peter 1:4
The Body of Christ Rationale 1 Corinthians 12:27
The Sealing of the Holy Spirit Rationale & The Promise of God Rationale - Ephesians 1:13 & Ephesians 4:30
The Eternal Life Rationale - John 3:36

Jarrod, blessings. If you have, please help fill in the rest of scripture of what I missed. I like the OP.
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Hi urk,

Glad you like, it is encouraging and freeing to live in eternal security! I will do the hand of God as some of these are quite long. You are on the right track though! this is even a short version.

The hand of God rationale uses an anthropomorphism approach to illustrate eternal security. An anthropomorphism assigns a human characteristic or a part of the human body to God which God does not have. Another is assigning God a human emotion towards a person that He does not have, but uses a word so we can understand, like HATE towards Esau.

and I give eternal life to them, and they shall never perish; and no one shall snatch them out of My hand. “My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. “I and the Father are one.” (John 10:28-30)


The word “never” in John 10:28-30 is a double negative in the Greek and means never, no not ever. Now, that is eternal security. Remember, a double negative in the Greek is different than in the English and provides much more emphasis on the negative when used. This passage goes on to say that no one is able to take them out of the hands of either Jesus Christ or the Father. This means that both the Father and the Son hold our hands. This is a sure-fire and eternal grip as found in Psalms 37:23-24.

The steps of a man are established by the Lord; And He delights in his way. When he falls, he shall not be hurled headlong; Because the Lord is the One who holds his hand. (Psalms 37:23-24)
 
The Family of God Rationale

Every believer becomes a part of God’s family as a son of God at salvation and therefore becomes a member of God’s royal family in the Church Age as in Galatians 3:26.

For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:26)


The verb “are” in the Greek is eime which is an absolute status quo verb and means it will always be this way. The verb’s mood in the Greek is a mood of reality and means you always keep on being sons of God (i.e., eternal security). The Greek word here for “sons” is huios and means sons of God. This means both male and female persons are sons of God. This came from the Roman custom of adopting a son into their family. This was true of Nero. He was adopted into a Roman family.

In application to our spiritual way of life, when we expressed faith alone in Christ alone, we were brought into God’s relationship sphere for eternity which is the family of God. We are adults positionally at the moment of salvation through faith only in Him and apart from any merit or works on our part. This is placing our complete reliance in God. We must believe that Jesus Christ is the one and only Savior to be saved. This is the family of God approach. We are born through regeneration into the royal family of God and we cannot be unborn out of it any more than we can be physically unborn.

Every one of us has a father and a mother. Once we are born into that family, we remain in that family no matter what we say or do in our life. Therefore, once we become part of the family of God, we forever remain in the family of God. Some believers or sons of God will turn out to be spiritually mature, but most will not due to their own decisions not to consistently follow God’s plan for their lives. All are given equal opportunity, but not all take God up on it. No matter what we do, however, none of us can leave God’s family. This is eternal security.

As members of God’s royal family, we all are joint heirs with Jesus Christ in that we share His destiny as in Romans 8:16-17, Titus 3:7, and Galatians 4:7. We will always be an heir of God no matter how we succeed or how we may fail.

The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him in order that we may also be glorified with Him. (Romans 8:16-17)

that being justified by His grace we might be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. (Titus 3:7)

Therefore you are no longer a slave, but a son; and if a son, then an heir through God. (Galatians 4:7)
 
The Body of Christ Rationale

The body of Christ rationale is another reason to believe in eternal security. 1 Corinthians 12:13 says that the Holy Spirit has baptized all of us into one body. This makes us forever members of the invisible body of Christ, Christ being the head of the body. This means that once you are baptized(Holy Spirit), or identified, with Christ, you cannot be unbaptized. Therefore, we are forever a part of the body of Christ whether Jew or Gentile, slaves or free. Our body is a temple of the Holy Spirit.

For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit. (1 Corinthians 12:13)


The Shekinah Glory in the temple of the Jews was a sign of His blessing to them in Old Testament times. We know today that we are under His blessing with the indwelling and filling of the Holy Spirit. This indwelling is parlayed into the filling of the Spirit when we are under the full influence of the Spirit, as we have referred to it, as the filling of the Spirit. Without this filling of the Spirit, there is no Christian way of life with the full influence of the Spirit over the soul through confession of our sins. In one verse we have both the baptism and the indwelling of the Spirit, so as to emphasize the importance of every member of the body.

1 Corinthians 12:14-16 goes on to say that whether you are an eye, an ear, a hand or a foot, you should not have a superiority complex or an inferiority complex, because every member of the body is equally important for the purpose that God has for us under operation teamwork in the function of our spiritual gift or gifts. Christ makes it very clear here that He can never tell them He has no use for them. Every member and part of the body is important to Him. At the Rapture of the Church, our body will be a perfect resurrection body, and will be absolutely perfect, just as His is perfect.

For the body is not one member, but many. If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I am not a part of the body,” it is not for this reason any the less a part of the body. And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I am not a part of the body,” it is not for this reason any the less a part of the body. (1 Corinthians 12:14-16)
 
I am so confident that I am God's beloved! He loves me just like He loves Jesus! God's love and victory for me go hand in hand. I triumph in God's LOVE!
 
The bible clearly states when you became Born-Again you were Seated in Heavenly Places. The bible states when you became a Born-Again Christian you are now the Righteous of God by faith. The bible tells us because you are the Righteousness of God, He will not impute any sin(s), and He will never ever impute sin(s) against the Christian Believer. The reason why is because God imputed all sins against His Son Jesus to take our punishment. This is why God loves us so much. He gave us his only Son. If the Christian Believer doesn't believe what Jesus has done for us the bible states they will fall out of grace with God.

If you believe the right thing, you can live the right way. When you don't know the truth you will live in sin.
 
Belief is not a requirement for salvation, though it almost always goes hand in hand for a God fearing man. One must be careful not to distinguish God as tyrannic- it is not belief, but your nature which saves you. You are as secured as God's natural law permits- Christ has given all men an opportunity to be righteous, not just those who are dunked in water.

Nowhere in Scripture will you find that unbelievers are unsaved: rather you find that the wicked are doomed.
 
EdenBorn said:
Belief is not a requirement for salvation, though it almost always goes hand in hand for a God fearing man. One must be careful not to distinguish God as tyrannic- it is not belief, but your nature which saves you. You are as secured as God's natural law permits- Christ has given all men an opportunity to be righteous, not just those who are dunked in water.

Nowhere in Scripture will you find that unbelievers are unsaved: rather you find that the wicked are doomed.
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2 Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds, 3 because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. 4 Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything. 5 If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you. 6 But when you ask, you must believe and not doubt, because the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. 7 That person should not expect to receive anything from the Lord. 8 Such a person is double-minded and unstable in all they do. James 1:2-8

So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal. 2 Corinthians 4:18

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 3:16

Please read my signature below.

I believe every word in the bible! If God said it, I believe it! If you do not believe in Jesus you go to hell
 
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EdenBorn said:
And if you believe that, perhaps it is you who should be subject to Hell. Do you even know the consequence of your statement? Of course you don't, or you wouldn't have even stated it.
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John 3:3 - Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
 
iLOVE said:
I am so confident that I am God's beloved! He loves me just like He loves Jesus! God's love and victory for me go hand in hand. I triumph in God's LOVE!
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From what I have been reading on another post, you do not seem very confident. Or is that just for everyone else?
 
I browsed through this thread a while back. Figured I would bring it back up for review. Been pretty religious and gloomy around apologetics and theology lately.
 
Danus said:
How secure is anyone in Christ? 100% :)
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Amen! 100% :shades

Joh 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the Scripture might be fulfilled.
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The same implies to all believers. Except those who totally fall away. But ultimately God is in control and if it is HIS will he can still bring the fallen to repentance.
 
As long as you truly believe and have taken Christ as your Saviour. You have become a Child of God. And when things become difficult remember the everlasting arms of Jesus Christ are always ready to catch you - for you will walk by faith and not by sight.

My desire is that you walk with Christ - check everything you read and hear with what is in the Bible. As the Apostle Paul writes where his desire was that his brothers (and sisters), Israel, would be saved at the expense of himself, so it is with me. Check everything I say and if you find a problem where I'm in error, and I find that I am, I will repent of that error. Especially if I have no rock to stand on.
 
kiwidan said:
I like this thread. Makes me feel more secure now. I didnt know where i stand but now i have a fair idea. As long as its all true what yall saying. Dont give a newbie no false teachings now :)
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The Spirit that is imputed to you LOVES the truth, and will like the truth when we hear it. You need not ever doubt that you have eternal life, if You believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ is eternal life. Being in union with Him means we share His life as stated in 1 John 5:11-13. We also share His divine righteousness as in 2 Corinthians 5:21.

And the witness is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life. (1 John 5:11-13)

He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. (2 Corinthians 5:21)


We share the heirship and destiny of Christ as presented in Ephesians 1:4-5. According to Ephesians 1:6, we are accepted in Christ forever. We cannot ever lose this fantastic position in Christ.

just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, (Ephesians 1:4-5)

to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved. (Ephesians 1:6)
 
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