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How The Catholic Church Saved Civilisation

Mungo

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How The Catholic Church Saved Civilisation

Today a lot of people knock the Catholic Church but don’t appreciate just how much we, as a civilization, owe to it. We hear the negatives, and there are some, but we don’t hear the positives.

So this post aims to redress that in a small way with the help of a great book called Yours Is The Church…How Catholicism Shapes Our World by Mike Aquilina.

When the Roman Empire collapsed in the west, that collapse was not just the swapping of one set of rulers for another but an economic, technological and cultural collapse. In England for example, when the Roman army left in 407AD, the country was invaded by Picts (from Scotland) and the Saxons (from Germany), followed by the Angles, the Jutes and later the Vikings. The country descended into what archeologists call the dark ages – so called because of the lack of archeological material left which meant little is known of the period. Proper writing vanished and a runic alphabet used. Houses were no longer made of stone or brick with tiled roofs but wooden posts and wattle & daub walls. Such things rotted away leaving only stains in the soil. Utensils were made of wood and so on. The situation on Continental Europe was similar.

In 410 AD Alaric the Visigoth sacked Rome itself. But the rot started well before. The peak of the Empire was in the 100s. After that one Emperor after another was assassinated. In the late 200s the average reign of an Emperor was 2 years. There were multiple claimants to the throne. Finally Constantine took over and re-united the Empire. But it was a shadow of what it had been and it had changed.

In the 400s the western empire collapsed, although for a while literature still flourished. Books were common and booksellers had large stocks. Sidonius Appolinaris describes country houses of the wealthy with books in abundance. Sidonius died in 489. Almost a century later St. Gregory of Tours was bemoaning the problems of the times said “no grammarian skilled in the dialectic art could be found to describe these matters”. He writes “Woe to our day, since the pursuit of letters has perished from among us and no one can be found among the people who can set forth the deeds of the present on the written page.”

Mike Aquilina says that “Sidonius would have considered Gregory’s Latin appallingly illiterate” and yet Gregory “was the only bishop in Gaul literate enough to put pen to paper and write a book”. He continues “In one century society went from mass-market publishing to illiterate bishops”

Cassiodorus Senator (Senator was his name not a title) lived through this steep decline from about 485 to 585. He spent time in Constantinople and when he returned to Rome after a couple of decades of fighting there he found a wreck of a country with the great country houses and their libraries abandoned. Then in 567 the Lombards invaded and began to destroy what was left.

Cassiodorus, now very old, retired to his country estate and began a project which according to Mike Aquilina makes him one of the most important figures in the history of civilisation. He founded a monastery and built a great library and assembled all the books he could find. Then he made it one of the duties of the monks to copy the books to preserve them for the future. This library though was only of books in Latin since the knowledge of Greek was lost several centuries before.

Aquilina writes: “It was a turning point in history. Other monasteries took up the idea, and soon copying books was one of the expected duties of a monk. Almost all we have of pagan antiquity comes to us because of the system of monastic copying that Cassiodorus invented. There would have been no Renaissance – no rebirth – if Cassiodorus had not seen the darkness falling and done what he could to keep the light burning.”

“All through the Dark Ages, such little sparks of light flashed from monastery to monastery across the darkened face of Europe. Whenever there was any light at all in the darkness, we know it was carried there by the Church.”


Then came Charlemagne and Alcuin of York.

In 496 Clovis, King of the Franks, was baptised and slowly Frankish rule extended to all of what was once Gaul. In 752 Peppin became the first of the Carolingian kings of the Franks. His son was Charlemagne , who became king in 768. He wanted to rebuild the old Roman Empire, but also he wanted to revive Roman civilisation. He encouraged all his nobles to learn to read (that’s how bad things had become – reading was only for effete clerics) and he employed Alcuin of York to spread literacy. Alcuin set up a scriptorium – a writing factory, getting monks to copy all the books he could find and distribute them far and wide.

At that time writing was in the Roman script which was all capital letters and laborious to write and difficult to decipher. According to Mike Aquilina, Alcuin developed a better script known as Carolingian miniscule. The style you are reading now developed from this and we could probably still read Carolingian miniscule. “Over and over we find that the oldest surviving manuscript of a well known classical work comes from the time of Charlemagne and is written in Carolingian miniscule.”

I’ll finish with these final words from Mike Aquilina.
“Alcuin could hardly have hoped to succeed as well as he did. His efforts brought classical civilisation back from the brink of extinction. And even though the world wasn’t quite ready for another great intellectual age, Alcuin gave future thinkers the materials they would build on for centuries. When that next great age of learning did come, it would owe everything to Alcuin and the monks that worked under him.”
 
In your personal opinion. Thank God that Martin Luther and others broke the stranglehold of the Catholic church!

I don't think splintering Christ's Church into thousands of denominations, sects and one pastor churches , teaching contradictory doctrines, is something we should thank God for. But you are entitled to your opinions.
 
I don't think splintering Christ's Church into thousands of denominations, sects and one pastor churches , teaching contradictory doctrines, is something we should thank God for. But you are entitled to your opinions.
Thank you for your permission.

Since you're not aware, there were many different churches shortly after the original church was created. Try reading the epistles and beginning of Revelation if you think there was one church.

The epistles are written to the church at Rome, the church at Galatia, the church at Ephesus, the church at Phillipi, the church at Colossae. And there was the church at Jerusalem and the church at Laodicea and undoubtedly many others not mentioned.

Revelation 1:4a, "From John to the seven churches that are in the province of Asia..." Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, Laodicea, and Ephesus.

So that's a minimum of 12 churches in the first century CE. There was never "one true Catholic church"; that is a fabrication.

P.S. The oldest denomination (if there is such a thing) is not the Roman Catholic church, it's the Greek Orthodox church.
 
Thank you for your permission.

Since you're not aware, there were many different churches shortly after the original church was created. Try reading the epistles and beginning of Revelation if you think there was one church.

The epistles are written to the church at Rome, the church at Galatia, the church at Ephesus, the church at Phillipi, the church at Colossae. And there was the church at Jerusalem and the church at Laodicea and undoubtedly many others not mentioned.

Revelation 1:4a, "From John to the seven churches that are in the province of Asia..." Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, Laodicea, and Ephesus.

So that's a minimum of 12 churches in the first century CE. There was never "one true Catholic church"; that is a fabrication.
They were individual congregations teaching the same things, not 40,000 different denominations, sects, and one pastor churches teaching contradictory doctrines.

P.S. The oldest denomination (if there is such a thing) is not the Roman Catholic church, it's the Greek Orthodox church.

The original Church that Jesus founded is the Catholic Church. The Orthodox broke away (both branches). Jesus never wanted such splintering as the "reformation" started. He prayed that it would be one Church (Jn 17:20-23)
 
They were individual congregations teaching the same things, not 40,000 different denominations, sects, and one pastor churches teaching contradictory doctrines.



The original Church that Jesus founded is the Catholic Church. The Orthodox broke away (both branches). Jesus never wanted such splintering as the "reformation" started. He prayed that it would be one Church (Jn 17:20-23)

I'm not going to bother discussing this with you any longer. You have swallowed the whole Catholic thing hook, line, and sinker, so there is no reasoning with you. Some day I hope that you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free from the prison of Catholicism.
 
I'm not going to bother discussing this with you any longer. You have swallowed the whole Catholic thing hook, line, and sinker, so there is no reasoning with you. Some day I hope that you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free from the prison of Catholicism.

Your problem is that the truth doesn't line up with your false claims.
 
Western civilization owes far more to ancient Greece and Rome than to Christianity.
The point is made in the OP that much of what we know about ancient Greece and Rome is because the Catholic Church preserved the writings. I quote:
There would have been no Renaissance – no rebirth – if Cassiodorus had not seen the darkness falling and done what he could to keep the light burning.”
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Alcuin could hardly have hoped to succeed as well as he did. His efforts brought classical civilisation back from the brink of extinction.
 
They were individual congregations teaching the same things, not 40,000 different denominations, sects, and one pastor churches teaching contradictory doctrines.



The original Church that Jesus founded is the Catholic Church. The Orthodox broke away (both branches). Jesus never wanted such splintering as the "reformation" started. He prayed that it would be one Church (Jn 17:20-23)
As usual, the Bible contradicts what you believe.

Teaching the same things..?

1 Corinthians 1:11-12, " My brothers and sisters, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas[a]”; still another, “I follow Christ.” NIV

There is absolutely no basis for saying that Jesus founded the Catholic Church. The word "Catholic" does not appear in the Bible. Jesus never said "Catholic" nor did Paul or any of the other apostles.

Why do you persist in mythology???
 
As usual, the Bible contradicts what you believe.

Teaching the same things..?

1 Corinthians 1:11-12, " My brothers and sisters, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas[a]”; still another, “I follow Christ.” NIV

There is absolutely no basis for saying that Jesus founded the Catholic Church. The word "Catholic" does not appear in the Bible. Jesus never said "Catholic" nor did Paul or any of the other apostles.

Why do you persist in mythology???

You said
I'm not going to bother discussing this with you any longer.
 
So I changed my mind. You continue to post Catholic propaganda; it's hard to keep silent. I know you would prefer that I don't challenge you, but what you claim is so nonsensical that I'm compelled to tell the truth.
 
As usual, the Bible contradicts what you believe.

Teaching the same things..?

1 Corinthians 1:11-12, " My brothers and sisters, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas[a]”; still another, “I follow Christ.” NIV

That is an example of factions within a congregation not doctrinal differences between congregations.

There is absolutely no basis for saying that Jesus founded the Catholic Church. The word "Catholic" does not appear in the Bible. Jesus never said "Catholic" nor did Paul or any of the other apostles.
So what? The word Trinity is not in scripture. Nor is the word Incarnation. That does not mean there is no scriptural basis for Catholic.
The full, title of the Catholic Church is - One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church
One – the can only be one Church, not a collection of different Churches (denominations) – Rom 12:5, 1Cor 10:17 & 12:13. Jesus can have only one Bride.

Holy – The Church is Holy, but that does not mean all members are holy – Eph 5:25-27.

Catholic – the Church is universal. Jesus calls all into the Church (Mt 28:19)

Apostolic – The Church is founded on the apostles (Eph 2:19-20). Jesus appointed apostles to be the first leaders and teachers, and their successors to continue to lead and teach and hand on what was handed on in Scripture and oral Tradition (2Tim 2:2)

The Catholic Church is the one Church that has preserved these four marks because God has preserved the one Church he founded, just as he promised he would (Mt 16:18 & 28:20)
 
That is an example of factions within a congregation not doctrinal differences between congregations.


So what? The word Trinity is not in scripture. Nor is the word Incarnation. That does not mean there is no scriptural basis for Catholic.
The full, title of the Catholic Church is - One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church
One – the can only be one Church, not a collection of different Churches (denominations) – Rom 12:5, 1Cor 10:17 & 12:13. Jesus can have only one Bride.

Holy – The Church is Holy, but that does not mean all members are holy – Eph 5:25-27.

Catholic – the Church is universal. Jesus calls all into the Church (Mt 28:19)

Apostolic – The Church is founded on the apostles (Eph 2:19-20). Jesus appointed apostles to be the first leaders and teachers, and their successors to continue to lead and teach and hand on what was handed on in Scripture and oral Tradition (2Tim 2:2)

The Catholic Church is the one Church that has preserved these four marks because God has preserved the one Church he founded, just as he promised he would (Mt 16:18 & 28:20)

Absurd, as usual. Where did you cut-and-paste this propaganda from?
 
There are two catholic battles that support the title...
Battle of Siget is known as "battle that saved the civilization"


But there is another, similar battle, identical to the one above, known as the battle of Kiseg, also known as the siege of Guns. In that second battle, there was a flaming sword appeared at the sky and scarred the Turks at the crucial moment of the battle...
 
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