"I AM THAT I AM"

[herald]

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a Son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." Isa 9:6.

Just because we cannot understand the Oneness of God, doesn't mean it isn't true. There is no sin in the Godhead, so there is no separation between them - One in essence, three in person.

Jesus is eternal God, just as the Father and the Holy Spirit.

In Acts 5:3,4, Peter said, "Ananias, why hath Satan filled your heart to lie to the HOLY GHOST, and to keep back part of the land?

Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? THOU HAST NOT LIED UNTO MEN, BUT UNTO GOD."

The Triune God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

 

[oneisgod]

Jesus is eternal God, just as the Father and the Holy Spirit.

The Triune God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Matthew 17:9
Tell the vision to no one until the Son of man is raised up from the dead.â€Â

John 2:22
When, though, he was raised up from the dead, his disciples called to mind that he used to say this; and they believed the Scripture and the saying that Jesus said.

John 21:14
This was now the third time that Jesus appeared to the disciples after his being raised up from the dead.


True, God is eternal.

Jesus died!

 

[herald]

And He resurrected, He ascended, and He is coming to take His children home.

"Even so, Come Lord Jesus." Rev 22:20.

 

[MMarc]

Jesus is eternal God, just as the Father and the Holy Spirit.

The Triune God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Matthew 17:9
Tell the vision to no one until the Son of man is raised up from the dead.â€Â

John 2:22
When, though, he was raised up from the dead, his disciples called to mind that he used to say this; and they believed the Scripture and the saying that Jesus said.

John 21:14
This was now the third time that Jesus appeared to the disciples after his being raised up from the dead.


True, God is eternal.

Jesus died!

What part of Jesus died exactly? His Spirit of His flesh....

 

[herald]

His flesh - His Spirit never died - Jesus is eternal. To say, that, Jesus died spiritually is heresy. When we were at Rhema, years ago, that is what was taught, but, it is heresy.

 

[oneisgod]

Jesus is eternal God, just as the Father and the Holy Spirit.

The Triune God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Matthew 17:9
Tell the vision to no one until the Son of man is raised up from the dead.â€Â

John 2:22
When, though, he was raised up from the dead, his disciples called to mind that he used to say this; and they believed the Scripture and the saying that Jesus said.

John 21:14
This was now the third time that Jesus appeared to the disciples after his being raised up from the dead.


True, God is eternal.

Jesus died!

What part of Jesus died exactly? His Spirit of His flesh....

All of him!

 

[oneisgod]

If you don't believe the Scripture, then, you are not one of His sheep.

2 Tim 3:16 in the Greek reads, "Every Scripture is God breathed..."

God spoke the worlds into existence. Heb 11:3.

The first challenge to the Word of God was in the Garden of Eden, when Satan queried, "Hath God said...?" Gen 3:1. When we doubt His Word, we are in league with Satan.

The Word = The Law...In Psalm 119, the word, "Word," is used interchangebly with, "law," "commandments," "judgments," "precepts," "statutes," "testimonies."

We are born again by His Word: "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the Word of God which liveth and abideth forever." I Pet 1:23;Ja 1:18; John 15:3; Eph 5:25,26.

Obeying His Word keeps us from sin: "Thy Word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee." Ps 119:11.

His Word Guides us: "Thy Word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path." Ps 119:105,67,103.

His Word is Bread to our spirit: Jesus said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every Word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Matt 4:4.

"Thy Words were found and I did eat them; and thy Word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of my heart..." Jer 15:16.

Faith comes by the Word:"So then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God." Rom 10:17.

The Roman Centurion...said...but, speak the Word, only, and my servant shall be healed." Mt 8:8.
Jesus responded, "Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel." Mt 8:10.

Healing an Deliverance come by His Word: "He sent His Word and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions." Ps 107:20.

Those who obey God's Word are more blessed than Mary: "...a certain woman...said unto Him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee and the paps which thou hast sucked." But, He (Jesus) said, Yea, rather, blessed are they that hear the Word of God, and keep it." Lu 11:27,28.

We are to tremble at His Word: "...but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at My Word." Isa 66:2.

Jesus quoted Scripture in spiritual warfare with Satan: "It is written..." Mt 4:4,7,10.

"And take the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God." Eph 6:17.

"For the Word of God is quick and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." Heb 4:12.

The Disciples spoke the Word of God: "...ye received the Word of God, which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the Word of God..." 1 Thess 2:13.

Men are Martyred for the Word of God: "And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the Word of God..." Rev 6:9.

And most significant of all - JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD. John 1:1; 1 John 1:1;1 John 5:7.

"And He was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and HIS NAME IS CALLED THE WORD OF GOD." Rev 19:13.

The Scripture says, Jesus is the "I AM."

My grandparents went to China with the Dutch Reformed Church, as missionaries. The Communists went to every house in the village, and murdered foreigners - every house, but my grandparents. My grandfather was arrested by Mao Tse Tung and put on trial, with a gun held to his head. He was ordered to renounce his faith. Instead, he preached the gospel to thousands of Chinese. They threw him into a dungeon.

Meanwhile, my grandmother, and children fled into the wilderness. My father, a very cerebral pathologist, said, bandits would ride up, slit your clothes, looking for jewels and kill you. Out of nowhere, there came a sound of a bugle and scared them off.

After sometime, my grandfather prayed, "Lord take me home, or, set me free." That day, "someone" came, opened the door. He thought he was going to be executed. Instead, he led him to the Hong Kong Harbour, he found his family and went to Singapore.

My grandfather was ready to be executed for the Word of God, and so am I, by God's grace.

"But be ye DOERS of the Word and not hearers, only, DECEIVING your selves." Ja 1:22.

True Jesus is "The Word" OF God, but not God the word or God the lamb or God the son, etc..

 

[herald]

If you do not believe, that, Jesus is God, you are, still, in your sin, and will not have eternal life, but, will be destroyed in the lake of fire at the end of the world.

 

[MMarc]

ONEISGOD
You say ''all of Him''

So then you make Yahovah a liar, because it is written the Spirit returns to God who gave it...
And the Spirit of God cannot die...

Russel sure did a number on your bible interpretation....

 

[oneisgod]

ONEISGOD
You say ''all of Him''

So then you make Yahovah a liar, because it is written the Spirit returns to God who gave it...
And the Spirit of God cannot die...

Russel sure did a number on your bible interpretation....

The spirit is not the soul and the soul is not the spirit:-

Hebrews 4:12
the dividing of soul and spirit,. . .

if they can be divided then they cannot be the same!

 

[Mosesjoel]

Oneisgod is correct,
The soul ....is the body, as the soul dies
The spirit ....is the breath of life from Jehovah so returns to him but not the soul
So both are not the same and indeed seperates

 

[oneisgod]

Paul said at 1Co 15:10 (ASV)

"But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not found vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me"

so did God call him by his own name? NO!

 

[Rick W]

This is long overdue, not for this particular topic being discussed but overall across the board.


Statement of Faith


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You will not post any messages; links, images or photos that promote a religion or belief other than Biblical and historical Christianity (atheism is considered a "belief" for the purposes of this rule). Discussing these doctrines are fine, as long as the beliefs are not actively promoted. This includes Universal Reconciliation and Universal Salvation. This is a Christian Forum as the name suggests.

 

[SpiritualSon]

Why? I don't think anyone on this forum would question the fact that Jesus is the Messiah. That is a completely different question from that of whether or not Jesus is the Everlasting Father.

Not only He is the Everlasting Father, He is also the Divine Trinity itself. The Lord said in John 14 He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father. What else is in the man but the soul. The Soul of Jesus Christ is the Father. The Soul and Body make one, just as the Father and Son are one.

I been studying the writings of Emanuel Swedenborg for years.

Harry

 

[oneisgod]

Why? I don't think anyone on this forum would question the fact that Jesus is the Messiah. That is a completely different question from that of whether or not Jesus is the Everlasting Father.

Not only He is the Everlasting Father, He is also the Divine Trinity itself. The Lord said in John 14 He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father. What else is in the man but the soul. The Soul of Jesus Christ is the Father. The Soul and Body make one, just as the Father and Son are one.

I been studying the writings of Emanuel Swedenborg for years.

Harry

Jesus said:-

John 10:30
I and the Father are one.â€Â


John 17:11
“Also, I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world and I am coming to you. Holy Father, watch over them on account of your own name which you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are.


John 17:20-23
“I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word; 21 in order that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, in order that the world may believe that you sent me forth. 22 Also, I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one. 23 I in union with them and you in union with me, in order that they may be perfected into one, . . .


So if Jesus is only talking of his 12 Apostels in the above then the trinity is made up of 15 persons!

 

[Rick W]

No more quotes from your mistranslated bible from here on in ANY thread..
I will not stand by any longer while you pass off your so-called scripture on this Christian board.




Jesus is praying the the Father keep them through His name and
not watch over them on account of his name.


NWT
John 17:11 “Also, I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world and I am coming to you. Holy Father, watch over them on account of your own name which you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are.


KJV
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.





NWT
John 17:20-23
“I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word;
21 in order that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, in order that the world may believe that you sent me forth.
22 Also, I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one.
23 I in union with them and you in union with me, in order that they may be perfected into one, . . .

KJV
John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

 

[MMarc]

ONEISGOD
You say ''all of Him''

So then you make Yahovah a liar, because it is written the Spirit returns to God who gave it...
And the Spirit of God cannot die...

Russel sure did a number on your bible interpretation....

The spirit is not the soul and the soul is not the spirit:-

Hebrews 4:12
the dividing of soul and spirit,. . .

if they can be divided then they cannot be the same!

OK I'll bite, so if you say ''All of Him died'' then you agree all of Him resurrected including His physical body....

Touch me and see I am not a Spirit but FLESH AND BONE, He was raised by the same Spirit that returned to God, and that same Spirit dwells in us...

Ask for the baptism of the Holy Spirit, of course if it's OK with your ''elect'' leaders...

 

[oneisgod]

No more quotes from your mistranslated bible from here on in ANY thread..
I will not stand by any longer while you pass off your so-called scripture on this Christian board.




Jesus is praying the the Father keep them through His name and
not watch over them on account of his name.


NWT
John 17:11 “Also, I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world and I am coming to you. Holy Father, watch over them on account of your own name which you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are.


KJV
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.





NWT
John 17:20-23
“I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word;
21 in order that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, in order that the world may believe that you sent me forth.
22 Also, I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one.
23 I in union with them and you in union with me, in order that they may be perfected into one, . . .

KJV
John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

I will use The Bible I like and trust.

You can tell others to change but not me.

 

[Vic C.]

Whether or not you choose to comply with Rick's request is between him and you. I stand by any decision he may make.

However, from time to time I have to remind members to please post a reference to each scripture or passage stating the version being quoted.

i.e. NIV, NASB, NAB, AMP, etc.

This however, does not apply to public domain translation. If you don't know if your's is public domain, chances are, it's not. :biglaugh j/k... go to http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/ Find your version and click on it. You will find it next to Publisher. While you're there, read the Copyright Information on the version of your choice. You'll be surprised at what you can and cannot do.

This is not just a request, it's the law. :naughty