I don't trust dreams

[Johann!@#]

Yes. It's also called the "prophetic past." Very unique thing about some scriptural references, cuz you don't see this used in modern English these days.

Proleptic (Futuristic) Aorist ExSyn 563–64
a. Definition and clarification. The aorist indicative can be used to describe
an event that is not yet past as though it were already completed. This usage is
not common, though several exegetically significant texts involve possible proleptic aorists.
An author sometimes uses an aorist for the future to stress the certainty of an
event. It involves a “rhetorical transfer” of a future event as though it were past.
b. Illustration
Rom 8:30 ou}ß deejdikaivwsen, touvtouß kai edj oxv asen
those whom he justified, these he also glorified

From Paul’s perspective, the glorification of those who have
been declared righteous is as good as done.

Promising indeed for believers in/eis Christ Jesus.

Wallace.

J.

 

[Hidden In Him]

What sources are you using?

J.

For what, you mean study? The primary study tools I use are:

1. The Complete Biblical Library (16v)
2. Liddell-Scott
3. Kittle
4. The LXX
5. The Complete Word Study New Testament

Why? What do you like to use?

 

[Alfred Persson]

Count you said and you can't . Now you want to change the subject , I understand .

Its impossible (for a believer in scripture) to argue false dreams don't exist, the Bible says they do:

"Behold, I am against those who prophesy false dreams," says the LORD, "and tell them, and cause My people to err by their lies and by their recklessness. Yet I did not send them or command them; therefore they shall not profit this people at all," says the LORD. (Jer. 23:32 NKJ)

The argument from silence---that the lack of a Biblical list of false dreams proves they don't exist in the Church, is irrelevant, immaterial and incompetent. God says He is against those who prophesy false dreams. Therefore, false prophets dreaming false dreams must exist in the church, or God wouldn't warn us about them.

Moreover, why would Scripture detail a false dream of a false prophet and not the false teaching he is teaching? That most likely explains why we don't see examples of false dreams in the Bible.

 

[Johann!@#]

For what, you mean study? The primary study tools I use are:

1. The Complete Biblical Library (16v)
2. Liddell-Scott
3. Kittle
4. The LXX
5. The Complete Word Study New Testament

Why? What do you like to use?

Me? I focus on exegetical work and hermeneutics..I've done word studies for years, but these days I'm more drawn to parsing and analyzing the grammar itself.

J.

 

[Johann!@#]

Its impossible (for a believer in scripture) to argue false dreams don't exist, the Bible says they do:

"Behold, I am against those who prophesy false dreams," says the LORD, "and tell them, and cause My people to err by their lies and by their recklessness. Yet I did not send them or command them; therefore they shall not profit this people at all," says the LORD. (Jer. 23:32 NKJ)

The argument from silence---that the lack of a Biblical list of false dreams proves they don't exist in the Church, is irrelevant, immaterial and incompetent. God says He is against those who prophesy false dreams. Therefore, false prophets dreaming false dreams must exist in the church, or God wouldn't warn us about them.

Moreover, why would Scripture detail a false dream of a false prophet and not the false teaching he is teaching? That most likely explains why we don't see examples of false dreams in the Bible.

Well said brother Alfred Persson.



{a) [If there arise among you a prophet ...] Three "if's" in this chapter:

1. If any prophet, dreamer, or teacher performs a sign or a wonder, or predicts anything that comes to pass, seeking to lead you away from the Lord, do not follow him. Cleave to God and destroy that false religious leader (Deut. 13:1-5).

2. If anyone -- even your closest relative or friend -- secretly entices you to serve gods other than the Lord, do not leave the Lord but kill that rebel (Deut. 13:6-11).

3. If the inhabitants of any city forsake the Lord, or try to lead you away from Him to serve other gods, completely destroy that city with all its inhabitants (Deut. 13:12-18).

{b) [arise] In this chapter Moses introduced a new series of warnings to guard against violation of the true forms of worship, and to clarify the laws and penalties against instigators of false religions.

{c) [prophet] Hebrew: nabiy' (HSN-<H5030>), an inspired man. Here it refers to a false prophet, even though he might make an accurate prediction supported by a supernatural event.

Such miraculous power would satanic (Ex. 7:11,22; 8:7,18; Mt. 24:24; 2Th. 2:8-12; Rev. 13:1-18; 16:13-16; 19:20; 20:10). The real test of truth is not a sign, wonder, or accurate prediction; it is the truth itself -- the Word of God as plainly written (Deut. 4:2; 12:32; 29:29; Isa. 8:20; 55:11; Jn. 8:32-36; 2Tim. 3:15-17; Rev. 22:18-19).

Anything contrary to Scripture is false, regardless of its apparent inspiration.

God bless.

Johann.

 

[hawkman]

Its impossible (for a believer in scripture) to argue false dreams don't exist, the Bible says they do:

"Behold, I am against those who prophesy false dreams," says the LORD, "and tell them, and cause My people to err by their lies and by their recklessness. Yet I did not send them or command them; therefore they shall not profit this people at all," says the LORD. (Jer. 23:32 NKJ)

The argument from silence---that the lack of a Biblical list of false dreams proves they don't exist in the Church, is irrelevant, immaterial and incompetent. God says He is against those who prophesy false dreams. Therefore, false prophets dreaming false dreams must exist in the church, or God wouldn't warn us about them.

I agree completely .

Moreover, why would Scripture detail a false dream of a false prophet and not the false teaching he is teaching? That most likely explains why we don't see examples of false dreams in the Bible.

I am glad you see that now .