I JUST realized something..............

[Imagican]

Much thanks Mutz.

And Brad, good to see you my friend. It's been awhile, again.

I do realize that much has been altered, especially in these modern times. I, though, while skeptical myself, must believe that there is 'enough' that has been preserved in order to 'lead' us in the 'right' direction.

Me thinks, that there may be a 'closest' to the original no matter whether there is 'something' perfectly translated or not. And out of all the versions I have encountered, the KJV seems to offer, 'what feels to me' to be that which all others could be judged by. (JMHO).

When one sees how versions have been altered to show 'personal' interpretation, (I believe that even if altered, the KJV was an effort that those chosen to partake in it, were certainly DEVOTED and 'trying' to do what they believed to be, the will of God), such as changing Joseph into the father of Jesus, or Mary into a 'maiden', it becomes quite obvious that there is a 'reason' that these changes are added.

Call me silly, but I know what I have had revealed through the Word and I also know the changes that these revelations have wrought in my life. I also know that when I read these 'other' translations, they feel, Kiddy, and un-fulfilling in comparison. Just me folks, (maybe), but that's how I feel. Like drinking a 'diet' cola, or eating something 'fat-free'. Just doesn't 'taste' right.

 

[jive]

the problems not with the translation of scripture from hebrew to english, its with who did the translation. MAN, and we all know man has been screwing up things since the begining of time. who knows if those who did the transcribing was lead by the spirit or, like someone else pointed out, completly missed some interprataions and just put in what they wanted it to mean. what better way could satan, cause confusin and seperate us from Gods real will, then to do what he does best...........decieve, i hate that sonof#@&*!

theres that, then u have MAN again, with all the diff. denominations, that think there interprataion is the TRUTH, ive stated before if it was the TRUTH there would be one denom. thats why personaly i have a hard time goin to church. i dont want to sit there hear something that tickels my ears and suits me, and take it as TRUTH, when its not. thats why we heavily have to rely on the Holy Ghost <------ in that, can ONLY bring the TRUTH.
John 14:26
26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

thank God, that translates the same in all the bible versions if seen exept the Worldwide English (new testament) version, it leaves out the part about "will teach u ALL things", and some versions call it "His hleper."

 

[Klee shay]

An astute assessment which would pinpoint one of the reasons there is conflict. I cannot see any fault in this logic. Like Chinese whispers...you can only repeat what someone else told you and hope they speak the same language with the same emphasis placed on key words. :wink:

If you believe that all scripture is good - in the sense it can help to build upon the cornerstone which is Jesus, it takes the sting out of perceived mistakes. It's good - it's ALL good - but different translations can cause conflict in discussing what certain scriptures really meant.

I believe we're meant to read the scriptures through the discernment of the Holy Spirit. Anything else and we're really relying on our own ability to understand what is written.

 

[Imagican]

An astute assessment which would pinpoint one of the reasons there is conflict. I cannot see any fault in this logic. Like Chinese whispers...you can only repeat what someone else told you and hope they speak the same language with the same emphasis placed on key words. :wink:

If you believe that all scripture is good - in the sense it can help to build upon the cornerstone which is Jesus, it takes the sting out of perceived mistakes. It's good - it's ALL good - but different translations can cause conflict in discussing what certain scriptures really meant.

I believe we're meant to read the scriptures through the discernment of the Holy Spirit. Anything else and we're really relying on our own ability to understand what is written.

Klee shay,

Good to see you again. It's been awhile.

Agreed. One MUST certainly be 'in the Spirit' to be led to the meaning of MUCH of the Word. But one must admit that the Word COULD be altered in such a way that it would be useless as a tool. Altered to the point that the Spirit would have to urge one to simply close the book and simply rely upon the Spirit without the corrupted words of man to interfere with their understanding.

 

[MrVersatile48]

;-)

Which is precisely why the early christians recognized the need for heirarchy and leadership-- why Paul tells Timothy to entrust what he has heard to faithful men (cf. 2 Tim 2:2). etc.

Popes, cardinals, etc are anything but faithful to the Bible, as abundantly confirmed by the unbiblical nature of all the distinctive RC dogmas & practices

Popes infallible?

More like how wrong can they be?

As for the persistent cover-ups of paedophile priests...

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Link to threads showing forbidden pagan occult madonna-&-child worship is the root of paedophilia..

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... highlight=

OP there links to longer thread (& other helpful ones)

& not once, on that 6-page thread, or any other I've seen here, has any RC apologist acknowledged &/or repented for such gross abominations

 

[thessalonian]

Sometimes I have to say it's just fun sitting back and reading a thread. :-D. I think this thread is saying more on it's own than I could ever add. 8-)

Somebody please tell me. Did Mr. V. post some anti-catholic off topic bashing?

 

[Packrat]

It also seems that the main purpose for each 'new' or 'newer' version, is to offer the opinions of the writers rather than a 'more accurate' translation.

Just get a translation of the Bible that was translated straight from Hebrew/Greek by people fluent in both Hebrew and Greek and who know the Old Testament and New Testament lingo, culture, geography, political setting, etc. etc. Either that or learn Hebrew/Greek and look into their culture.

 

[Packrat]

By the way, here's something that you wouldn't find in an English translation:

Know those long and boring geneologies? http://www.direct.ca/trinity/hidden.html

Have fun mulling that one over. :bday:

 

[Klee shay]

But one must admit that the Word COULD be altered in such a way that it would be useless as a tool. Altered to the point that the Spirit would have to urge one to simply close the book and simply rely upon the Spirit without the corrupted words of man to interfere with their understanding.

I'm a firm believer in the power of the Spirit to lead someone into a deeper understanding with God...after all, the Spirit is all we have. No one can come to the Father except through the Son, and how do we do that - through the Spirit! :wink:

It is also prudent however to veiw scriptures as essential in one's growth. Whether scripture fails expectation or expectation fails scripture, it's a reminder to always keep those chanels open with the Lord. "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." REVELATIONS 3:20

I can believe all scripture is good so long as Jesus is in control of how I ultimately perceive it.

It's nice to know that while conflict can arise through differing translations however; at some point everyone can be unified in the Spirit. We merely have to believe it. :D

 

[thessalonian]

;-)

Which is precisely why the early christians recognized the need for heirarchy and leadership-- why Paul tells Timothy to entrust what he has heard to faithful men (cf. 2 Tim 2:2). etc.

Popes, cardinals, etc are anything but faithful to the Bible, as abundantly confirmed by the unbiblical nature of all the distinctive RC dogmas & practices

Popes infallible?

More like how wrong can they be?

As for the persistent cover-ups of paedophile priests...

Results 1 - 10 of about 910 for cover-ups of paedophile priests - 0.56 sec. (About this page)

You display your blatant ignornace of the doctrine of infallibility but I'll igore that as there is greater fruit to pluck from your fruitless post.

Mr. V. He who lives in a glass house might not want to throw a stone. Are you somehow implying that Catholicism only has problems. Check out http://www.reformation.com. It hardly has all the protestant perpetrators but gives a good sampling that shows that such sin does not just go on in the Catholic Church.

Here is one story:

"HORRIFIC" HARASSMENT IN CHURCH OF CANADA PROMPTS STUDY. The task force on sexual abuse, exploitation, and harassment urged the Church of Canada to develop a code of ethics for ministers because of ~horrific proportions" of sexual harassment in the church. The panel said women are more likely to be sexually harassed in the church than in the workplace. "A five-denominational study [in the U.S.] conducted in 1987 found 5.5% of therapists had sex involving intercourse with their clients, while 12.6% of clergy admitted to sexual involvement including intercourse with their parishioners," reported Rev. Peter Lougheed of Evanville, Ontario. Many ministers are engaging in personal counseling without any training or codes of ethics, said Walter Faquharson, moderator of the United Church.

:o

Other articles support this. I've read that 11 % of Baptist Pastors admit to sex with someone other than their wife. Seventy percent of Protestant Pastors say they know of someone who has been involved in such conduct. "Coverup"? Another article online, which I will look up if you like says that there are 70 insurance claims PER WEEK from various denominations to cover allegations of sexual abuse. This of course is a better way of handling them then getting it in the public eye. It helps keep it under the radar.

By the way, you seem to have trouble discerning truth. The vast majority of the heinous sins are not in fact pedophillia, but rather homosexual in nature. But of course it is more tantalizing to call them pedophillia and so you go along with the crowd. By the way, you might want to glance through all those reports at http://www.reformation.com. Some of them include pentecostals who you seem to have a fondness for. Some even in your own country.

I do find it interesting how people who say one sin is as bad as another raise this issue as being kind of an unforgivable sin, it almost seems. Hard to believe that God's mercy could extend to such sins in those whom repent. But of course I do agree myself that these since are of serious gravity and don't accuse me of saying two wrongs make a right. I am not in the slightest saying that.

As for scandal, 11 out of 12 Apostles abandonded Jesus at the Cross. Quite a greivious sin. I suppose by such standards as yours, thinking you are proving something with your post we should all abandon Christianity. Or we could just follow Paul's writings as many seem to do. Oops, he says, "the good that I do, I do not, while the EVIL that I would not do I do". People should have abandoned Judaism as well. After all Hophni and Phineas had sex in the doorway of the tent of the meeting with virgins. David lusted after a woman and had her husband killed. The leaders of Judaism worshipped false Gods in high places and even sacrificed children. Oh, there are plenty of scandals in the history of God in the world. Peter, the leader of the early Church even denied the Lord three times. A man in 1 Cor 5 was living with his father's wife and the community was sitting idly by. Rev 3,4 detail some scandals. We are of course told there will be wolves among the sheep, tares among the wheat, so this alleged perfection you are implying that should be in the church is simply a twisting of scripture. We know our leaders in the Church are men who sin. What's new in the history of God in the world. Not much.

Blessings

 

[jive]

;-)

Which is precisely why the early christians recognized the need for heirarchy and leadership-- why Paul tells Timothy to entrust what he has heard to faithful men (cf. 2 Tim 2:2). etc.

Popes, cardinals, etc are anything but faithful to the Bible, as abundantly confirmed by the unbiblical nature of all the distinctive RC dogmas & practices

Popes infallible?

More like how wrong can they be?

As for the persistent cover-ups of paedophile priests...

Results 1 - 10 of about 910 for cover-ups of paedophile priests - 0.56 sec. (About this page)

You display your blatant ignornace of the doctrine of infallibility but I'll igore that as there is greater fruit to pluck from your fruitless post.

Mr. V. He who lives in a glass house might not want to throw a stone. Are you somehow implying that Catholicism only has problems. Check out http://www.reformation.com. It hardly has all the protestant perpetrators but gives a good sampling that shows that such sin does not just go on in the Catholic Church.

Here is one story:

"HORRIFIC" HARASSMENT IN CHURCH OF CANADA PROMPTS STUDY. The task force on sexual abuse, exploitation, and harassment urged the Church of Canada to develop a code of ethics for ministers because of ~horrific proportions" of sexual harassment in the church. The panel said women are more likely to be sexually harassed in the church than in the workplace. "A five-denominational study [in the U.S.] conducted in 1987 found 5.5% of therapists had sex involving intercourse with their clients, while 12.6% of clergy admitted to sexual involvement including intercourse with their parishioners," reported Rev. Peter Lougheed of Evanville, Ontario. Many ministers are engaging in personal counseling without any training or codes of ethics, said Walter Faquharson, moderator of the United Church.

:o

Other articles support this. I've read that 11 % of Baptist Pastors admit to sex with someone other than their wife. Seventy percent of Protestant Pastors say they know of someone who has been involved in such conduct. "Coverup"? Another article online, which I will look up if you like says that there are 70 insurance claims PER WEEK from various denominations to cover allegations of sexual abuse. This of course is a better way of handling them then getting it in the public eye. It helps keep it under the radar.

By the way, you seem to have trouble discerning truth. The vast majority of the heinous sins are not in fact pedophillia, but rather homosexual in nature. But of course it is more tantalizing to call them pedophillia and so you go along with the crowd. By the way, you might want to glance through all those reports at http://www.reformation.com. Some of them include pentecostals who you seem to have a fondness for. Some even in your own country.

I do find it interesting how people who say one sin is as bad as another raise this issue as being kind of an unforgivable sin, it almost seems. Hard to believe that God's mercy could extend to such sins in those whom repent. But of course I do agree myself that these since are of serious gravity and don't accuse me of saying two wrongs make a right. I am not in the slightest saying that.

As for scandal, 11 out of 12 Apostles abandonded Jesus at the Cross. Quite a greivious sin. I suppose by such standards as yours, thinking you are proving something with your post we should all abandon Christianity. Or we could just follow Paul's writings as many seem to do. Oops, he says, "the good that I do, I do not, while the EVIL that I would not do I do". People should have abandoned Judaism as well. After all Hophni and Phineas had sex in the doorway of the tent of the meeting with virgins. David lusted after a woman and had her husband killed. The leaders of Judaism worshipped false Gods in high places and even sacrificed children. Oh, there are plenty of scandals in the history of God in the world. Peter, the leader of the early Church even denied the Lord three times. A man in 1 Cor 5 was living with his father's wife and the community was sitting idly by. Rev 3,4 detail some scandals. We are of course told there will be wolves among the sheep, tares among the wheat, so this alleged perfection you are implying that should be in the church is simply a twisting of scripture. We know our leaders in the Church are men who sin. What's new in the history of God in the world. Not much.

Blessings

Mybee this will shed some light on why MrV thinks the way he does.........
some garbage from another post on here. i dont know how to put a link on here that will take you to it, so just copyed and pasted something quoted from the Shmope.

On May 7, 1997, Pope John Paul II dedicated his general audience to "the Virgin Mary" and urged all Christians to accept Mary as their mother. He noted the words spoken by Jesus on the cross to Mary and to John--"Woman, behold thy son!" and "Behold thy mother!" (John 19:26,27), and he claimed that in this statement "IT IS POSSIBLE TO UNDERSTAND THE AUTHENTIC MEANING OF MARIAN WORSHIP in the ecclesial community ... which furthermore is based on the will of Christ" (Vatican Information Service, May 7, 1997).

John Paul II underlined that "the history of Christian piety teaches that MARY IS THE PATH THAT LEADS TO CHRIST, and that filial devotion to her does not at all diminish intimacy with Jesus, but rather, it increases it and leads it to very high levels of perfection." He concluded by asking all Christians "to make room (for Mary) in their daily lives, ACKNOWLEDGING HER PROVIDENTIAL ROLE IN THE PATH OF SALVATION" (Ibid.).

 

[Georges]

;-)

Which is precisely why the early christians recognized the need for heirarchy and leadership-- why Paul tells Timothy to entrust what he has heard to faithful men (cf. 2 Tim 2:2). etc.

Popes, cardinals, etc are anything but faithful to the Bible, as abundantly confirmed by the unbiblical nature of all the distinctive RC dogmas & practices

Popes infallible?

More like how wrong can they be?

As for the persistent cover-ups of paedophile priests...

Results 1 - 10 of about 910 for cover-ups of paedophile priests - 0.56 sec. (About this page)

You display your blatant ignornace of the doctrine of infallibility but I'll igore that as there is greater fruit to pluck from your fruitless post.

Mr. V. He who lives in a glass house might not want to throw a stone. Are you somehow implying that Catholicism only has problems. Check out http://www.reformation.com. It hardly has all the protestant perpetrators but gives a good sampling that shows that such sin does not just go on in the Catholic Church.

Here is one story:

"HORRIFIC" HARASSMENT IN CHURCH OF CANADA PROMPTS STUDY. The task force on sexual abuse, exploitation, and harassment urged the Church of Canada to develop a code of ethics for ministers because of ~horrific proportions" of sexual harassment in the church. The panel said women are more likely to be sexually harassed in the church than in the workplace. "A five-denominational study [in the U.S.] conducted in 1987 found 5.5% of therapists had sex involving intercourse with their clients, while 12.6% of clergy admitted to sexual involvement including intercourse with their parishioners," reported Rev. Peter Lougheed of Evanville, Ontario. Many ministers are engaging in personal counseling without any training or codes of ethics, said Walter Faquharson, moderator of the United Church.

:o

Other articles support this. I've read that 11 % of Baptist Pastors admit to sex with someone other than their wife. Seventy percent of Protestant Pastors say they know of someone who has been involved in such conduct. "Coverup"? Another article online, which I will look up if you like says that there are 70 insurance claims PER WEEK from various denominations to cover allegations of sexual abuse. This of course is a better way of handling them then getting it in the public eye. It helps keep it under the radar.

By the way, you seem to have trouble discerning truth. The vast majority of the heinous sins are not in fact pedophillia, but rather homosexual in nature. But of course it is more tantalizing to call them pedophillia and so you go along with the crowd. By the way, you might want to glance through all those reports at http://www.reformation.com. Some of them include pentecostals who you seem to have a fondness for. Some even in your own country.

I do find it interesting how people who say one sin is as bad as another raise this issue as being kind of an unforgivable sin, it almost seems. Hard to believe that God's mercy could extend to such sins in those whom repent. But of course I do agree myself that these since are of serious gravity and don't accuse me of saying two wrongs make a right. I am not in the slightest saying that.

As for scandal, 11 out of 12 Apostles abandonded Jesus at the Cross. Quite a greivious sin. I suppose by such standards as yours, thinking you are proving something with your post we should all abandon Christianity. Or we could just follow Paul's writings as many seem to do. Oops, he says, "the good that I do, I do not, while the EVIL that I would not do I do". People should have abandoned Judaism as well. After all Hophni and Phineas had sex in the doorway of the tent of the meeting with virgins. David lusted after a woman and had her husband killed. The leaders of Judaism worshipped false Gods in high places and even sacrificed children. Oh, there are plenty of scandals in the history of God in the world. Peter, the leader of the early Church even denied the Lord three times. A man in 1 Cor 5 was living with his father's wife and the community was sitting idly by. Rev 3,4 detail some scandals. We are of course told there will be wolves among the sheep, tares among the wheat, so this alleged perfection you are implying that should be in the church is simply a twisting of scripture. We know our leaders in the Church are men who sin. What's new in the history of God in the world. Not much.

Blessings

Mybee this will shed some light on why MrV thinks the way he does.........
some garbage from another post on here. i dont know how to put a link on here that will take you to it, so just copyed and pasted something quoted from the Shmope.

On May 7, 1997, Pope John Paul II dedicated his general audience to "the Virgin Mary" and urged all Christians to accept Mary as their mother. He noted the words spoken by Jesus on the cross to Mary and to John--"Woman, behold thy son!" and "Behold thy mother!" (John 19:26,27), and he claimed that in this statement "IT IS POSSIBLE TO UNDERSTAND THE AUTHENTIC MEANING OF MARIAN WORSHIP in the ecclesial community ... which furthermore is based on the will of Christ" (Vatican Information Service, May 7, 1997).

John Paul II underlined that "the history of Christian piety teaches that MARY IS THE PATH THAT LEADS TO CHRIST, and that filial devotion to her does not at all diminish intimacy with Jesus, but rather, it increases it and leads it to very high levels of perfection." He concluded by asking all Christians "to make room (for Mary) in their daily lives, ACKNOWLEDGING HER PROVIDENTIAL ROLE IN THE PATH OF SALVATION" (Ibid.).

Jive, obviously you are ignorant...... :wink:

 

[thessalonian]

Jive, obviously you are ignorant......

George, obviously you have a problem with humility in people admitting that they are ignorant in some things. I will most certainly admit I am ignorant in many things. I don't claim to hold even 1% of all the knowledge in the earth and so I am quite ignorant. Now in fact it is obvious to the unbiased that many on this forum are ignorant of many things and in fact Jive is ignorant of the understandings that support the words that JP II has stated.

Now common George, throw me a bone and admit that you are ignorant of many things as well. Many things in Catholicism. Or do you claim to know all about Catholicism? Pride is a serious issue for the Christian George.

 

[jive]

[quote:e38b0]On May 7, 1997, Pope John Paul II dedicated his general audience to "the Virgin Mary" and urged all Christians to accept Mary as their mother. He noted the words spoken by Jesus on the cross to Mary and to John--"Woman, behold thy son!" and "Behold thy mother!" (John 19:26,27), and he claimed that in this statement "IT IS POSSIBLE TO UNDERSTAND THE AUTHENTIC MEANING OF MARIAN WORSHIP in the ecclesial community ... which furthermore is based on the will of Christ" (Vatican Information Service, May 7, 1997).

John Paul II underlined that "the history of Christian piety teaches that MARY IS THE PATH THAT LEADS TO CHRIST, and that filial devotion to her does not at all diminish intimacy with Jesus, but rather, it increases it and leads it to very high levels of perfection." He concluded by asking all Christians "to make room (for Mary) in their daily lives, ACKNOWLEDGING HER PROVIDENTIAL ROLE IN THE PATH OF SALVATION" (Ibid.).

Jive, obviously you are ignorant...... :wink:[/quote:e38b0]

Thx brother! ill let you in on a lil secret (i cant spell)lol, my secret seriously though......id rather be considerd ignorant by some, than to accept, and support the load of crap coming from the shmopes mouth in what i posted.
by "load of crap" i mean everything he says is contrary to the word of God.
can u tell me where he is right in anything he stated there??? not possible
do i need point out where he is wrong????????, hop over to Christian Talk and Advice, look under the Question for Catholics thread. theres already a thread talkin bout this there, i didnt mean to start it up here.

 

[thessalonian]

by "load of crap" i mean everything he says is contrary to the word of God.

Hmmmm.....

I hope you don't mind me showing the ignorance and prejudice of such a statement.

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_ ... is_en.html
8. Redemption as a new creation

The Redeemer of the world! In him has been revealed in a new and more wonderful way the fundamental truth concerning creation to which the Book of Genesis gives witness when it repeats several times: "God saw that it was good"38. The good has its source in Wisdom and Love. In Jesus Christ the visible world which God created for man39-the world that, when sin entered, "was subjected to futility"40- recovers again its original link with the divine source of Wisdom and Love. Indeed, "God so loved the world that he gave his only Son"41. As this link was broken in the man Adam, so in the Man Christ it was reforged42

As we reflect again on this stupendous text from the Council's teaching, we do not forget even for a moment that Jesus Christ, the Son of the living God, become our reconciliation with the Father48. He it was, and he alone, who satisfied the Father's eternal love, that fatherhood that from the beginning found expression in creating the world, giving man all the riches of creation, and making him "little less than God"49, in that he was created "in the image and after the likeness of God".50. He and he alone also satisfied that fatherhood of God and that love which man in a way rejected by breaking the first Covenant51 and the later covenants that God "again and again offered to man"52. The redemption of the world-this tremendous mystery of love in which creation is renewed-53 is, at its deepest root, the fullness of justice in a human Heart-the Heart of the First-born Son-in order that it may become justice in the hearts of many human beings, predestined from eternity in the Firstborn Son to bé children of God54 and called to grace, called to love. :


Crap?
Shall I post more of this "crap" for you from the smaopes? Whatever that is. :roll:

 

[jive]

by "load of crap" i mean everything he says is contrary to the word of God.
[quote:62bdb]


Hmmmm.....


http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_ ... is_en.html
8. Redemption as a new creation

The Redeemer of the world! In him has been revealed in a new and more wonderful way the fundamental truth concerning creation to which the Book of Genesis gives witness when it repeats several times: "God saw that it was good"38. The good has its source in Wisdom and Love. In Jesus Christ the visible world which God created for man39-the world that, when sin entered, "was subjected to futility"40- recovers again its original link with the divine source of Wisdom and Love. Indeed, "God so loved the world that he gave his only Son"41. As this link was broken in the man Adam, so in the Man Christ it was reforged42

As we reflect again on this stupendous text from the Council's teaching, we do not forget even for a moment that Jesus Christ, the Son of the living God, become our reconciliation with the Father48. He it was, and he alone, who satisfied the Father's eternal love, that fatherhood that from the beginning found expression in creating the world, giving man all the riches of creation, and making him "little less than God"49, in that he was created "in the image and after the likeness of God".50. He and he alone also satisfied that fatherhood of God and that love which man in a way rejected by breaking the first Covenant51 and the later covenants that God "again and again offered to man"52. The redemption of the world-this tremendous mystery of love in which creation is renewed-53 is, at its deepest root, the fullness of justice in a human Heart-the Heart of the First-born Son-in order that it may become justice in the hearts of many human beings, predestined from eternity in the Firstborn Son to bé children of God54 and called to grace, called to love. :

Shall I post more of this "crap" for you from the smaopes? Whatever that is. :roll:

[/quote:62bdb]
lol not smaopes, but Shmope, pope, shmope.

 

[thessalonian]

lol not smaopes, but Shmope, pope, shmope.

Whatever, reading your post reminds me of listening to air america radio where the liberals feel they have to bash and name call and generally demonize republicans. Even resorting to sounds of flatulation and other juvenile methods. It's a rather poor and childish tactic jive and not very Christian (most on AMR are not Christian either).

 

[Imagican]

Come on Thess, Jive is new here and obviously hasn't picked up on the 'finer' arts of debate as of yet.

And here you go doing exactly what you accuse him of as far as comparing him to the 'air american?' liberals that have to resort to childish tactics in order to 'try' and prove somehthing.

And Jive, a little piece of constructive crit., Thess is a Catholic and making derogatory statements concerning his leader is certainly not a way to become his friend. (Ha ha ha).

But Jive, Georges has quite a bit of serious understanding. I don't agree with all that he offers but then I don't agree with all that anyone else does either. But much of his offering, especially that he offers concerning the 'law' itself, and an understanding of the Jewish perspective, (don't forget folks, regardless of being the Son of God, Jesus WAS also a Jew), which I believe is practically crucial to an understanding of the Bible in general, (since EVERY bit of it was originally written by Jews, or Hebrews.

So, be nice guys, and 'can't we all just..................get along?

 

[jive]

i have took Thess, and Imags post to heart. i guess where even now if i was disrespectful. because your "almighty leader" disrespected my Almighty Leader,lol. seriously though, when you take away from the praise and glory so rightfuly deseirved, from my Almighty Leader, i take that very personal. as do you when i took away from your "almighty leader" least you know where im comin from. right? now that were on the same page, yall can get back to orginal thread topic.

oh yea, thx thess, for lettin me know where i stand with my walk with Christ. ill try to get back on the right path now, since you have showed me the way and stop being "not so christian like." maybee you should be pope.

the way i see it, lettin people spew garbage and take away from Jesus glory, is "not very christian like."

 

[thessalonian]

And here you go doing exactly what you accuse him of as far as comparing him to the 'air american?' liberals that have to resort to childish tactics in order to 'try' and prove somehthing.

What name did I call him? What is the basis of your criticism? Rebuke is a Christian duty. 1 Tim 3:15.