johnny botwright
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Jesus makes the claim , that he would destroy the temple and raise it up again , in three days.
speaking of himself.
destroying the old, system , religion,
because the New has come, the living temple, Jesus- us
We to are, can be the Temples of the Holy spirit.
The Kingdom of God is with in us. members of a living body, not made by men.
The hope of Glory Christ Jesus with in us. in our hearts.
this is where the true super natural power comes from, in my eyes.
not in a building, religion, establishment, organisation , made by men,
that many are in bondage to, the heavy yoke of religion.
The old being established again by men
The vain traditions of men, having a form of Godlessness, but denying
the power there of.
The true seat of power is within us, not Rome or any where eles.
there the deception lye,s
if the son sets you free, you are free indeed.
where the spirit of the Lord is there is freedom.
A vision Jesus says STOP
I had a vision not to long ago, and in the vision was an Arch Angel standing in an old ancient church building, swinging a ball and chain , smashing the ball into the wall,
The Lord was standing next to me, So i asked, ? is that Satan,
The Lord said no,
I said is it Micheal ,
The Lord said no its Gabriel.
He was told to stop, Gabriel replied, i can not stop, then he walked out of this church type building , wings and all,
down the steps , where he picked up a retangle cube of wood , about knee high, and he hit it with the ball on the end of the chain, then walked of after it, to strike it again,
I asked Lord what does this mean, the Lord replied , my church cannot STOP doing the same thing over and over again.
I shared it on a few forums , what i became aware of , different people,s input, is there can be a message within the message .
We see Gabriel , explaining to Danial the meaning of a vision he had been given, Gabriel had also been in Daniels vision.
some thought the ball and chain represented the bondage some churches are in, others felt stiking the wall represented breaking down the wall of divisions.
some one shared Gabriel walking down the steps, represented coming down from the realms of Heaven , into the realm of men.
Some shared it was about judgement and judgement starts with the house of God.
Also Gabriel being inside and not striking the wall out side, was reference to the inner courts, secret societys.
Gabriel told to stop, but replied he could not,
Meant unstopable judgement was coming, for the churches, and the secret societys , ruling and financial elite and that their silver and Gold cannot save them .
I watched two just after this when Obama was sworn in as president ,
another president was sworn in also , in Chille and as this took place, the whole building started to shake.
All that can be shaken will be shaken.
Then i watched as three tornado,s brough down power lines,
sowing the wind and reaping the whirl wind, bringing their power down,
The block of wood, it mentions blocks of wood,in the book of Habakkuk, man made idols covered in gold, that men worshiped. Things made by men .
and it also mentions in the same scripturs, how these nations would be in decline, and helpless as such, all they could do was watch as their enemies were becoming more powerfull, and then invades them,
The Kings of the East.
Gabriel into the block of wood and hit it into the distance then walked after it, picking it up struck it again,towards the Horizon. the judgements would be Global.
The Lord took me to see and feel Genocide, Rwanda, Standing on the shore of lake Victoria, over the lake a massive electrical storm, the slaughter was relentless, First the Lord said to me the storm is coming, Then , the sword is out in Africa, the sword is out in the middle East, the sword is out in the Far East, and the sword is out in Europe.
I know it was the Lords voice in my spirit, i could under stand the sword being out in Africa, the middle East, the Far East, but i was surprised when the Lord said the sword was out in Europe.
Not long after my return, the Balkans, Bosnia exploded into war, and it seemed the Evil that had manifested it self in Rwanda was now manifesting it self in Europe.
and we had mass graves on our own front door step.
In West Minster Abbey, there is a sword, when the united Kingdom is at war, it is symbolically drawn from its sheaf.
its written to, the sword of the Lord is out, flashing like lighting, from East to West, polished for slaughter, Judgement.
We see also the rider on the red Horse,the second rider given a sword, to take peace from the Earth.
johnny
Intresting reply from christian forums.com
Very sobering vision. Looks like you've had good feedback on it already. Some more thoughts, some of which overlap with what you've already had.
I had a vision not to long ago, and in the vision was an Arch Angel (Authority & power sent from God) standing in an old ancient church building (Long established structure. Note not the people = church, but the structure) , swinging a ball and chain (What is a bondage for people is now used for demolishion), smashing (Destructuve) the ball into the wall (Walls define & enforce boundaries. So a boundary/wall is being broken. A structural boundary between the church & the outside world. Reminded of Mark 11:17)
This could speak of a change to the church structure as we know it. When I think of the global church 'structure', I think of local churches, Sunday services with praise & worship & preaching, cell groups & community based services centred around a location. But as I ill mention later, I think it could also refer to religious traditions rather than a dynamic relationship with God thru Jesus.
The Lord was standing next to me, So i asked, ? is that Satan,
To me the vision seems prophetic. And you questioned whether it was a work of satan. If you were seen to symbolize believers then there may be events coming which wil seem like the work of satan but will in fact be a work of God.
The Lord said no,
I said is it Micheal ,
The Lord said no its Gabriel.
Gabriel interpreted visions in Dan 8-9 as you mentioned concerning things around the appointed time of the end, & brought news of two coming births John the baptist & Jesus. He also brought discipline to Zechariah (Luke 1:20). So I see him an interpreter, announcer major new events & birthing of new things, & a disciplinarian . So the vision could be an interpretation of a season coming upon the church at some point, the birthing of something new out of destruction (although there's no impression of this in the vision, but we serve a Gopd who brings good & works all things for good, so we can expect good to come from this), & the more obvious action of discipline.
He was told to stop, Gabriel replied, i can not stop, (There may be a sense in this like "it has to stop, how can it go on any longer", but it will) then he walked out of this church type building (He is moving out of the established structure) , wings and all,
down the steps (A descent- maybe from the spiritual to the physical, or the church to the world ), where he picked up a retangle cube of wood (Wood can symbolize what comes from the ground- earthy things- man from the dust. It could also symbolize the cross & the judgement that fell on Jesus intead of believers (the church). A thought- maybe the more we see of Jesus taking the judgement due to us, the less we experience it. Cubes can be seen to symbolize the four corners of the earth- global impact as you mentioned above.), about knee high (Lowly. We pray on our knees. Maybe some of the judgement can be averted or tempered through prayer/intercession), and he hit it with the ball on the end of the chain (What was striking the structure is now striking a unit (timber) that makes up the structure. The issue is being dealt with at a granular level, but also globally) then walked of after it, to strike it again, (This is repition)
I asked Lord what does this mean, the Lord replied , my church cannot STOP doing the same thing over and over again.
(So can this also mean that Gabriel is symbolizing the church? That provides another completely different perspective- eg a self-desctructive element in the church. Or maybe its a repeated response to somethng that is repeated)
My gut feel is that there is a strong message in the vision about 'religion' or a religious spirit in the church & some discipline or action which will be taken against it that wil have global reach & impact & something new will be birthed out of this.
Isaiah 29:13
The Lord says: “These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is based on merely human rules they have been taught.
Matt 15:6 ... Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition (Something repeated- as meaningless & as helpful as striking a peice of wood). 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8 “‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’[c]”
A thought is coming to mind- revivals often challenge the established church structure & "break" it to an extent with some people being swept into the revival & others resisting it.
Last edited by Firewater; 9th February 2012 at 07:12 AM.
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=199845 i do not hold with the teachings of david icke,
but a busy forum, where you can share your faith in Jesus. christian input is welcome by most, but not for the faint hearted, you will come head to head with an anti christ spirit. there are some who, if they can chew you up and spit you out they will.
if any thing, pray for Mr icke, he needs it , would be good to see him and others come through for the Lord Jesus.
some have entertained strangers that where Angels, so can look like us, in my vision, Gabriel walked out of the old church building wings and all.
speaking of himself.
destroying the old, system , religion,
because the New has come, the living temple, Jesus- us
We to are, can be the Temples of the Holy spirit.
The Kingdom of God is with in us. members of a living body, not made by men.
The hope of Glory Christ Jesus with in us. in our hearts.
this is where the true super natural power comes from, in my eyes.
not in a building, religion, establishment, organisation , made by men,
that many are in bondage to, the heavy yoke of religion.
The old being established again by men
The vain traditions of men, having a form of Godlessness, but denying
the power there of.
The true seat of power is within us, not Rome or any where eles.
there the deception lye,s
if the son sets you free, you are free indeed.
where the spirit of the Lord is there is freedom.
A vision Jesus says STOP
I had a vision not to long ago, and in the vision was an Arch Angel standing in an old ancient church building, swinging a ball and chain , smashing the ball into the wall,
The Lord was standing next to me, So i asked, ? is that Satan,
The Lord said no,
I said is it Micheal ,
The Lord said no its Gabriel.
He was told to stop, Gabriel replied, i can not stop, then he walked out of this church type building , wings and all,
down the steps , where he picked up a retangle cube of wood , about knee high, and he hit it with the ball on the end of the chain, then walked of after it, to strike it again,
I asked Lord what does this mean, the Lord replied , my church cannot STOP doing the same thing over and over again.
I shared it on a few forums , what i became aware of , different people,s input, is there can be a message within the message .
We see Gabriel , explaining to Danial the meaning of a vision he had been given, Gabriel had also been in Daniels vision.
some thought the ball and chain represented the bondage some churches are in, others felt stiking the wall represented breaking down the wall of divisions.
some one shared Gabriel walking down the steps, represented coming down from the realms of Heaven , into the realm of men.
Some shared it was about judgement and judgement starts with the house of God.
Also Gabriel being inside and not striking the wall out side, was reference to the inner courts, secret societys.
Gabriel told to stop, but replied he could not,
Meant unstopable judgement was coming, for the churches, and the secret societys , ruling and financial elite and that their silver and Gold cannot save them .
I watched two just after this when Obama was sworn in as president ,
another president was sworn in also , in Chille and as this took place, the whole building started to shake.
All that can be shaken will be shaken.
Then i watched as three tornado,s brough down power lines,
sowing the wind and reaping the whirl wind, bringing their power down,
The block of wood, it mentions blocks of wood,in the book of Habakkuk, man made idols covered in gold, that men worshiped. Things made by men .
and it also mentions in the same scripturs, how these nations would be in decline, and helpless as such, all they could do was watch as their enemies were becoming more powerfull, and then invades them,
The Kings of the East.
Gabriel into the block of wood and hit it into the distance then walked after it, picking it up struck it again,towards the Horizon. the judgements would be Global.
The Lord took me to see and feel Genocide, Rwanda, Standing on the shore of lake Victoria, over the lake a massive electrical storm, the slaughter was relentless, First the Lord said to me the storm is coming, Then , the sword is out in Africa, the sword is out in the middle East, the sword is out in the Far East, and the sword is out in Europe.
I know it was the Lords voice in my spirit, i could under stand the sword being out in Africa, the middle East, the Far East, but i was surprised when the Lord said the sword was out in Europe.
Not long after my return, the Balkans, Bosnia exploded into war, and it seemed the Evil that had manifested it self in Rwanda was now manifesting it self in Europe.
and we had mass graves on our own front door step.
In West Minster Abbey, there is a sword, when the united Kingdom is at war, it is symbolically drawn from its sheaf.
its written to, the sword of the Lord is out, flashing like lighting, from East to West, polished for slaughter, Judgement.
We see also the rider on the red Horse,the second rider given a sword, to take peace from the Earth.
johnny
Intresting reply from christian forums.com
Very sobering vision. Looks like you've had good feedback on it already. Some more thoughts, some of which overlap with what you've already had.
I had a vision not to long ago, and in the vision was an Arch Angel (Authority & power sent from God) standing in an old ancient church building (Long established structure. Note not the people = church, but the structure) , swinging a ball and chain (What is a bondage for people is now used for demolishion), smashing (Destructuve) the ball into the wall (Walls define & enforce boundaries. So a boundary/wall is being broken. A structural boundary between the church & the outside world. Reminded of Mark 11:17)
This could speak of a change to the church structure as we know it. When I think of the global church 'structure', I think of local churches, Sunday services with praise & worship & preaching, cell groups & community based services centred around a location. But as I ill mention later, I think it could also refer to religious traditions rather than a dynamic relationship with God thru Jesus.
The Lord was standing next to me, So i asked, ? is that Satan,
To me the vision seems prophetic. And you questioned whether it was a work of satan. If you were seen to symbolize believers then there may be events coming which wil seem like the work of satan but will in fact be a work of God.
The Lord said no,
I said is it Micheal ,
The Lord said no its Gabriel.
Gabriel interpreted visions in Dan 8-9 as you mentioned concerning things around the appointed time of the end, & brought news of two coming births John the baptist & Jesus. He also brought discipline to Zechariah (Luke 1:20). So I see him an interpreter, announcer major new events & birthing of new things, & a disciplinarian . So the vision could be an interpretation of a season coming upon the church at some point, the birthing of something new out of destruction (although there's no impression of this in the vision, but we serve a Gopd who brings good & works all things for good, so we can expect good to come from this), & the more obvious action of discipline.
He was told to stop, Gabriel replied, i can not stop, (There may be a sense in this like "it has to stop, how can it go on any longer", but it will) then he walked out of this church type building (He is moving out of the established structure) , wings and all,
down the steps (A descent- maybe from the spiritual to the physical, or the church to the world ), where he picked up a retangle cube of wood (Wood can symbolize what comes from the ground- earthy things- man from the dust. It could also symbolize the cross & the judgement that fell on Jesus intead of believers (the church). A thought- maybe the more we see of Jesus taking the judgement due to us, the less we experience it. Cubes can be seen to symbolize the four corners of the earth- global impact as you mentioned above.), about knee high (Lowly. We pray on our knees. Maybe some of the judgement can be averted or tempered through prayer/intercession), and he hit it with the ball on the end of the chain (What was striking the structure is now striking a unit (timber) that makes up the structure. The issue is being dealt with at a granular level, but also globally) then walked of after it, to strike it again, (This is repition)
I asked Lord what does this mean, the Lord replied , my church cannot STOP doing the same thing over and over again.
(So can this also mean that Gabriel is symbolizing the church? That provides another completely different perspective- eg a self-desctructive element in the church. Or maybe its a repeated response to somethng that is repeated)
My gut feel is that there is a strong message in the vision about 'religion' or a religious spirit in the church & some discipline or action which will be taken against it that wil have global reach & impact & something new will be birthed out of this.
Isaiah 29:13
The Lord says: “These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is based on merely human rules they have been taught.
Matt 15:6 ... Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition (Something repeated- as meaningless & as helpful as striking a peice of wood). 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8 “‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’[c]”
A thought is coming to mind- revivals often challenge the established church structure & "break" it to an extent with some people being swept into the revival & others resisting it.
Last edited by Firewater; 9th February 2012 at 07:12 AM.
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=199845 i do not hold with the teachings of david icke,
but a busy forum, where you can share your faith in Jesus. christian input is welcome by most, but not for the faint hearted, you will come head to head with an anti christ spirit. there are some who, if they can chew you up and spit you out they will.
if any thing, pray for Mr icke, he needs it , would be good to see him and others come through for the Lord Jesus.
some have entertained strangers that where Angels, so can look like us, in my vision, Gabriel walked out of the old church building wings and all.
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