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there are many "saved" people who have children who grow up and stray from God and never see reason to find Christ as "the truth". And thus would "go to hell forever"

if that happend to you, how would heaven ever truly be heaven to you, with the said "no more sorrow and crying" when meanwhile your loved ones are burning in Hell forever?

Could you (honestly) worship God wholeheartedly and call heaven "paradise" when he didnt pick your own family members to spend eternity with you?
 
There will be no memory of this former time, as I see it. There would be a lot of things, I would not care to remember for eternity.

Just as Peter and John, recognized Moses and Elijah on the Mount of Transfiguration. I think we will recognize family and friends, and will just have no memory of those who are not there.
 
No doubt the emotion is high strung in the matter of a family member's salvation, and I have similar concern for one of my family members to the point of groaning in agony and weeping before God asking for intervention. Paul very clearly understand this desire and agony as he expressed when he said, "For I could wish that I myself were accursed, separated from Christ for the sake of my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh" (Romans 9:3). Paul was almost willing to himself be forsaken so that others may be accepted and spared. Moses had the same passion for the salvation of Israel, and if he had not Israel would have been obliterated before they even entered the holy land, saying, "But now, if You will, forgive their sin--and if not, please blot me out from Your book which You have written!" (Exodus 32:32). This a form of interceding deep inside our soul for the well-being of those whom we care for. It often can take the form of wrestling in prayer, and - for men at least - could be the closest thing to child bearing they will ever do: wrestling in their soul in intercession to such a degree and to be agonized with "birth pangs" of the soul, such as Paul said when he wrote to the Galatians, "My children, with whom I am again in labor until Christ is formed in you-" (Galatians 4:19). Paul also passionately beseeched others to come to Christ and not perish with tears: "Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears" (Acts 20:31).

You have asked a soul wrenching question, and struggle that every Christian must bear for the lost of the world but with God's power in us we can be as Christ to others. But with God all things are possible.

God Bless,

~Josh
 
So God is just going to erase love from our hearts and memories...and brainwash us to be okay with all the people he didnt pick.

I guess I was under this silly biblical idea that love never fails, but apparently, sometimes it needs to fail forever and not be remembered


...intresting
 
Could you (honestly) worship
God wholeheartedly and call heaven "paradise" when he didnt pick your own family members to spend eternity with you?

This is kind of a touchy subject, but many, many times Christ spoke on leaving earthly fathers and mothers.

Matthew 8:22 "Let the dead bury the dead"

http://www.bible-browser.co.cc/matthew/chapter-8

God always seems to make a distinction between heavenly/spiritual and natural family.

"My mother, father, sisters and brothers are those who hear the Word of God and believe".
Luke 8:21
http://www.bible-browser.co.cc/luke/chapter-8

Yet I could see how this could be much harder for a parent to a child.

Maybe this is why God always makes the faith of the parent to save the child.

"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved, you and your household" Acts 16:31
http://www.bible-browser.co.cc/acts/chapter-16

Another example is the father who came to Christ to have the spirit driven out of his son and prayed for more faith for his son to be delivered.
"I believe, Lord help me with my unbelief" Mark 9:24
http://www.bible-browser.co.cc/mark/chapter-9

It seems that God places salvation of the child upon the parents, but not the other way around, (whereas the child is just promised a new spiritual family even with unbelieving parents). It's definitely a touchy subject. I still always pray for my family, and any of their salvation. Hope this helps.

God bless.
 
So God is just going to erase love from our hearts and memories...and brainwash us to be okay with all the people he didnt pick.

I guess I was under this silly biblical idea that love never fails, but apparently, sometimes it needs to fail forever and not be remembered

There are more kinds of love, than the earthly human form of love we have. There is a Heavenly Godly love that shows no partiality, or has no boundaries. It is called Agape Love, this will be the form of love we would have in the resurrection. Not the earthly flesh kind of love.

The Greek word agape is often translated "love" in the New Testament. How is "agape love" different from other types of love? The essence of agape love is self-sacrifice. Unlike our English word “love,†agape is not used in the Bible to refer to romantic or sexual love. Nor does it refer to close friendship or brotherly love, for which the Greek word philia is used. Nor does agape mean charity, a term which the King James translators carried over from the Latin. Agape love is unique and is distinguished by its nature and character. Agape is love which is of and from God.
 
I don't necessarily agree that we will forget our loved ones. But our emotions, while in heaven, will not be dependent on circumstances. God will be our fulfillment.
 
savagesoto said:
there are many "saved" people who have children who grow up and stray from God and never see reason to find Christ as "the truth". And thus would "go to hell forever"

if that happend to you, how would heaven ever truly be heaven to you, with the said "no more sorrow and crying" when meanwhile your loved ones are burning in Hell forever?

Could you (honestly) worship God wholeheartedly and call heaven "paradise" when he didnt pick your own family members to spend eternity with you?
As much as I love my family They are HIS creation, not mine. They belong TO Him and whatever the CREATOR decides to do with HIS creation is HIS choice, not mine.

Its pretty foolish for me to say I'll go to hell willingly and give up knowing MY Creator simply because one of my offspring has decided to reject Him.

No, I will not deny my Creator over the choices of anyone else, not even my children or my wife.
 
savagesoto said:
So God is just going to erase love from our hearts and memories...and brainwash us to be okay with all the people he didnt pick.

I guess I was under this silly biblical idea that love never fails, but apparently, sometimes it needs to fail forever and not be remembered


...intresting
We have no clue how God will handle this situation, but it seems somewhat dangerous to dismiss the overwhelming evidence about eternal torment in scripture over the decisions your or my family members decide to make about salvation.
 
samuel said:
There are more kinds of love, than the earthly human form of love we have. There is a Heavenly Godly love that shows no partiality, or has no boundaries.
Well according to modern day theology it does have partiality to only the "elect' of God in this life, those whom God chooses as "first fruits" to be saved over everyone else who just gets to be damned. and Apparently his love does have boundaries, because according to modern day theology, death stops Gods power to change the hearts of man or love them if they havent figured out the formula for "eternal salvation"

samuel said:
It is called Agape Love, this will be the form of love we would have in the resurrection. Not the earthly flesh kind of love.

The Greek word agape is often translated "love" in the New Testament. How is "agape love" different from other types of love? The essence of agape love is self-sacrifice. Unlike our English word “love,†agape is not used in the Bible to refer to romantic or sexual love. Nor does it refer to close friendship or brotherly love, for which the Greek word philia is used. Nor does agape mean charity, a term which the King James translators carried over from the Latin. Agape love is unique and is distinguished by its nature and character. Agape is love which is of and from God.

Again...a love that according to modern day theology...does have boundaries and does show partiality. The majority of the Bible does not speak that type of God that fails those qualities

follower of Christ said:
As much as I love my family They are HIS creation, not mine. They belong TO Him and whatever the CREATOR decides to do with HIS creation is HIS choice, not mine.

Its pretty foolish for me to say I'll go to hell willingly and give up knowing MY Creator simply because one of my offspring has decided to reject Him.

No, I will not deny my Creator over the choices of anyone else, not even my children or my wife.
Right, but does it make any sense for the creator to choose you and not your children? you and not your wife? Jesus sacrificed His very life for us, why would we not do the same for our loved ones?

and the title is rather a point, rather than something I would do...just for the record. I dont think Ill have to do that nor will anyone. Praise God
 
follower of Christ said:
savagesoto said:
So God is just going to erase love from our hearts and memories...and brainwash us to be okay with all the people he didnt pick.

I guess I was under this silly biblical idea that love never fails, but apparently, sometimes it needs to fail forever and not be remembered


...intresting
We have no clue how God will handle this situation, but it seems somewhat dangerous to dismiss the overwhelming evidence about eternal torment in scripture over the decisions your or my family members decide to make about salvation.


overwhelming evidence? more like...overwhelming human interpretation and mistranslated greek.

and to be honest, I dont find it dangerous to question mainstream interpretation. My allegence is to Jesus Christ...not to the church and what they think
 
For he has made known to us in all wisdom and insight the mystery of his will, according to his purpose which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fulness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth. Ephesians 1:9,10 RSV

For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe. 1 Timothy 4:10


From these passages and many others like them, I see all of God's judgments as remedial. So you will have the opportunity of seeing your loved ones, though they may be parted from you in heaven for a long time. Eventually, they will submit to the authority of Christ, just as you and I have already done.

But don't discuss my belief or argue for or against it. It's against the forum rules.
 
Sounds like you are pointing toward universalism. If so, the scriptures do not support such distorted theology, not for one single line or word.

I will admit the mainline Church, as an organization hasn't got all the answers. But after years of Bible study, they are not to far off the point. Not so far as to dismiss everything! that is taught. Sometimes I find more fault with their practice, than what they preach.
 
savagesoto said:
overwhelming evidence? more like...overwhelming human interpretation and mistranslated greek.
Oh please. One would have to be blind or have an agenda to not see the obvious.
Eternal Torment/punishment
Eternal torment - Kolazo vs Kolasis
and to be honest, I dont find it dangerous to question mainstream interpretation. My allegence is to Jesus Christ...not to the church and what they think
oddly enough Jesus taught more about ET and hell than anyone else...so it is HIM that you reject in the matter.
 
samuel said:
Sounds like you are pointing toward universalism. If so, the scriptures do not support such distorted theology, not for one single line or word.

I would say thats more of an opinion than a fact

samuel said:
I will admit the mainline Church, as an organization hasn't got all the answers. But after years of Bible study, they are not to far off the point. Not so far as to dismiss everything! that is taught. Sometimes I find more fault with their practice, than what they preach.
Im not dismissing everything thats taught?

follower of Christ said:
Oh please. One would have to be blind or have an agenda to not see the obvious.
Eternal Torment/punishment
Eternal torment - Kolazo vs Kolasis
Just because you can find an article or two supporting something doesnt mean there arent 10 articles to blow it out of the water. So lets refrain from article wars.

follower of Christ said:
oddly enough Jesus taught more about ET and hell than anyone else...so it is HIM that you reject in the matter.

Oddly enough, everyone says the same thing and after reading all the gospels several times I dont see that at all. Just because the only way you can see a verse is the interpretation "pastor bob" gave a few weeks ago doesnt make it the absolutley right or intended interpretation.

Jesus gave us parables, not bullet point do's and dont's and line by line definitions of what he thought about everything. If he had intended that he would have wrote the gospels himself.
 
It's the parents' responsibility to teach their children the ways of the Lord. Parents teach by example and kids are very impressionable especially at an early age.
 
savagesoto.

I can see one thing very clearly, even by your board name. You seem to be a very bitter person, why? I can't tell. But you will never understand anything, as long as you are in the state you are in.
 
It's the parents' responsibility to teach their children the ways of the Lord. Parents teach by example and kids are very impressionable especially at an early age.

I raised all four of my children in a Christian environment: dedicated them to the Lord as babies, taught them about Jesus, instilled Godly principles, prayed with them, sang worship and praise songs with them, read Bible stories to them and used "teachable moments" to illustrate God's presence in our lives. Still, after all that, my oldest son spent several years rejecting God and His Word. Although my son eventually gave his life to Christ, he did go down a very dark path for a time.

I am reminded of Prov. 22:6, "Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not turn from it."
 
In my short time as a follower (let's see...all of 2 days now ;) ), Acts 16:31 speaks to me.

They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved – you and your household." (NIV)

And they answered, Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ [give yourself up to Him, take yourself out of your own keeping and entrust yourself into His keeping] and you will be saved, [and this applies both to] you and your household as well. (AMP)

And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. (KJV)

God will accept your family whether doing so on Earth through your influence or others so they can find Christ or in the afterlife. If one accepts Christ, their household will be saved.

If the bible is truly the Word of God, than this is truth! :-)
 
samuel said:
savagesoto.

I can see one thing very clearly, even by your board name. You seem to be a very bitter person, why? I can't tell. But you will never understand anything, as long as you are in the state you are in.

if you would read my intro, you would find my name is a pun on a friend of mines...not because im angry.

and no im not really bitter, however I do get tired of people who think they have the Bible completly interpreted properly and any other idea about it is smashed and "hush hush'd" immediately, yeah to that I am a little bitter because I find it close minded and silly

I have no problem with people disagreeing with me...but the "HEY YOUR WRONG EVEN THOUGH I CANT PROVE IT" mentality is extremely irritating, I will say that
 
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