In Concert

[netchaplain]

Have you noticed that the most important work of Christ—our eternal salvation—is one of the doctrines becoming increasingly misunderstood? Until this all-important issue is settled and established properly, there can be no real spiritual growth, for all growth truths are based and supported in this single doctrine; and if there is no growth, there will also be much confusion and discouragement during the “fiery trials which are to try you” (1Pe 4:12).

You will eventually be restored to peace, but the more mature one is in Christ (Eph 4:15), the quicker the trial will be. All excessive difficulties derive from not knowing that God is for us no matter what; and long trials usually indicates unawareness of not understanding clear enough of the “acceptance” of the believer in Christ (Eph 1:6). God couldn’t love us more, because He loves us as much as He loves His Son (Jhn 17:23).
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In Concert​

The delay with souls consists in their not being clear as to the first work of the Lord Jesus; for when they are the question must be, “Where dwellest Thou?” And the moment the heart rests on Him and knows that He has got a place for me there, what an effect it has! It is a cheer to the heart to find there is my communion!

We will use the word concert, for the word communion has become so common that we have lost the real meaning of it. The meaning of communion with the Lord Jesus is that I am in concert with Him (just Him and you—NC). We are together in company, we are in the same line of things.

We talk of difficulties and perplexities! How little the heart is really in concert, in simple concert, with the Lord Jesus! He has gone up to the right hand of the Father in greater power than ever, and He is using the elevation that He has gone to, to effect deliverance for me from all things that would separate Himself and me in our fellowship (Satan can separate us at times from God’s fellowship, through carnal means, but can never separate us from His love—NC). He delights to have me in company with Himself about these wonderful things, and he uses His word to keep me from everything that would interfere with it. It is not a question of union: it is concert, which is the effect of union (one can be in union with God but be out of fellowship with Him, as God’s people the Jews are temporarily - Gal 5:25—NC).

There is a moment when the believer knows union with the Lord Jesus in glory. People talk of union, but do not know it. Has your soul ever got a glimpse by the Spirit of God, of the risen Lord Jesus – of “the mark” of which Paul speaks? How can you “press toward the mark” if you do not see it? “The mark” is the Lord Jesus in heaven (Who gives the “crown of life”—NC); He is my goal. Practically it is what souls have lost sight of. They do not look for acquaintance with Christ risen (we must know we are positionally where He is—NC). The first thing is education of the Word; the second, that Lord Jesus Himself must be seen. The Word delights the heart and mind, but until the eye of your soul has rested in the Person of the Lord Jesus Christ, you have not the model, the image for the Word to take; there is no formation.

All of us are in more or less trial and difficulty in which we can have company with the Lord Jesus (Phl 1:29). If I tell out all my difficulties to Him, I shall have the peace of God. What am I to do then? “Whatsoever things are lovely . . . think on these things.” You could not do this if you were not in peace. If worried by the affairs of life, you cannot manifest these beautiful traits of character. Unburden then your heart to your Father. Tell Him, and you will come out in the practical thing with the peace God; and the God of peace being with you.

The Lord Jesus is so good to me, that my heart is set on Him; and if it is, nothing will suit me but association with Him where He is. I can count on things as loss for Him; and “one thing I do,” I am set for “the mark.” I see Him superior to everything. What marks a man in communion with the Lord Jesus? He knows Him, he is in fellowship with His sufferings and he is forgetting the things that are behind.

If my heart is set on the Lord Jesus as my Object, and if I am attracted by Him, if I have found out what He has been for me, I am delighted to be acquainted and in concert with Him, and nothing but His path down here suits me. What then characterizes me practically (i.e. in practice—NC) is “forgetting those things which are behind.” One great proof of being in concert is that I am not strait-laced; I can enter into things in a godly manner. The Lord Jesus was the most natural Person possible.

J B Stoney



MJS daily devotional for August 23

“The Gentile never was under the law; and being set in the Lord Jesus Christ, now that he believes, he stands on other ground, to which the law does not apply. Every believer is regarded by God as alive from the dead, to bring forth fruit unto God (the fruit of the Spirit isn’t works, but a state of being—from which all works are derived—NC). The law only deals with a man as long as he lives, never after he is dead. ‘Ye are become dead to the law by the body of Christ’ (Rom. 7:4). –J B Stoney (1814-1897).

None But The Hungry Heart

www.abideabove.com

 

[gordon777]

Have you noticed that the most important work of Christ—our eternal salvation—is one of the doctrines becoming increasingly misunderstood? Until this all-important issue is settled and established properly, there can be no real spiritual growth, for all growth truths are based and supported in this single doctrine; and if there is no growth, there will also be much confusion and discouragement during the “fiery trials which are to try you” (1Pe 4:12).

Did we notice that thorns and briars also grow, even though they are unwanted, and the devil wants all of that growth, and the devils main weapon against man is mans self seeking, instead of the armour of Christ against that, ( to put on the Lord Jesus Christ/charity, the bond of perfectness, and charity seeks not her own.) ?

You will eventually be restored to peace, but the more mature one is in Christ (Eph 4:15), the quicker the trial will be. All excessive difficulties derive from not knowing that God is for us no matter what; and long trials usually indicates unawareness of not understanding clear enough of the “acceptance” of the believer in Christ (Eph 1:6). God couldn’t love us more, because He loves us as much as He loves His Son (Jhn 17:23).
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The Father loves those who love Him, we know the Son of Gods love, for the world perceives it, to lay HIs life down for all, but how can God love those who are lovers of their own selves now, hearing the selfish messages as seen everywhere.

Telling a little story is not given glory to God, it is clear that the same has to be believed in and trusted in, ( those seeking Him early shall find Him) for the love of God to be in them.



Proverbs 8:17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.

John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John 17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

 

[gordon777]

We talk of difficulties and perplexities! How little the heart is really in concert, in simple concert, with the Lord Jesus! He has gone up to the right hand of the Father in greater power than ever, and He is using the elevation that He has gone to, to effect deliverance for me from all things that would separate Himself and me in our fellowship (Satan can separate us at times from God’s fellowship, through carnal means, but can never separate us from His love—NC). He delights to have me in company with Himself about these wonderful things, and he uses His word to keep me from everything that would interfere with it. It is not a question of union: it is concert, which is the effect of union (one can be in union with God but be out of fellowship with Him, as God’s people the Jews are temporarily - Gal 5:25—NC).

If we were carnal, carnal means could work on us, but if we were not carnal, how can means work on anyone who is no longer carnal, but is now Spirit.
Romans 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

1 Corinthians 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

2 Corinthians 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)

There is a moment when the believer knows union with the Lord Jesus in glory. People talk of union, but do not know it. Has your soul ever got a glimpse by the Spirit of God, of the risen Lord Jesus – of “the mark” of which Paul speaks? How can you “press toward the mark” if you do not see it? “The mark” is the Lord Jesus in heaven (Who gives the “crown of life”—NC); He is my goal. Practically it is what souls have lost sight of. They do not look for acquaintance with Christ risen (we must know we are positionally where He is—NC). The first thing is education of the Word; the second, that Lord Jesus Himself must be seen. The Word delights the heart and mind, but until the eye of your soul has rested in the Person of the Lord Jesus Christ, you have not the model, the image for the Word to take; there is no formation.

The mark is believing in the resurrection, being made conformable to the death of Christ, is us risen with Him.


Ephesians 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.


Philippians 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

All of us are in more or less trial and difficulty in which we can have company with the Lord Jesus (Phl 1:29). If I tell out all my difficulties to Him, I shall have the peace of God. What am I to do then? “Whatsoever things are lovely . . . think on these things.” You could not do this if you were not in peace. If worried by the affairs of life, you cannot manifest these beautiful traits of character. Unburden then your heart to your Father. Tell Him, and you will come out in the practical thing with the peace God; and the God of peace being with you.

If a person has the Spirit of the Son in them, that Spirit of the Son is who speaks to the Father.
Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

Galatians 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

The Lord Jesus is so good to me, that my heart is set on Him; and if it is, nothing will suit me but association with Him where He is. I can count on things as loss for Him; and “one thing I do,” I am set for “the mark.” I see Him superior to everything. What marks a man in communion with the Lord Jesus? He knows Him, he is in fellowship with His sufferings and he is forgetting the things that are behind.

If my heart is set on the Lord Jesus as my Object, and if I am attracted by Him, if I have found out what He has been for me, I am delighted to be acquainted and in concert with Him, and nothing but His path down here suits me. What then characterizes me practically (i.e. in practice—NC) is “forgetting those things which are behind.” One great proof of being in concert is that I am not strait-laced; I can enter into things in a godly manner. The Lord Jesus was the most natural Person possible.

J B Stoney

Forgetting what is behind is the false prophets, the devil who Christ overcome this world, and we to overcome even as He also overcame.

What is ahead is Jesus Christ only, good words and fair speeches on this forum should be prohibited.

Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
19 For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.
20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

MJS daily devotional for August 23

“The Gentile never was under the law; and being set in the Lord Jesus Christ, now that he believes, he stands on other ground, to which the law does not apply. Every believer is regarded by God as alive from the dead, to bring forth fruit unto God (the fruit of the Spirit isn’t works, but a state of being—from which all works are derived—NC). The law only deals with a man as long as he lives, never after he is dead. ‘Ye are become dead to the law by the body of Christ’ (Rom. 7:4). –J B Stoney (1814-1897).

None But The Hungry Heart

www.abideabove.com

All were under the law, because the law brought us to Christ, otherwise how do we come to Christ. ( the scripture and the law concluded all under sin.)


Galatians 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[gordon777]

I again call on the ops of this Christian website, to do a clean up of their theology forum, how can it be allowed, whatever people want to promote, over and over and over, and it has nothing correct in it at all , in any of the threads given when they choose ?

Why should it be down to a person to do what the ops, hopefully would be able to do, to know the clear differences between right and wrong ? If not, how can the name of a Christian website be seen, as upholding the Christianity it says it stands for.

 

[netchaplain]

Did we notice that thorns and briars also grow, even though they are unwanted, and the devil wants all of that growth, and the devils main weapon against man is mans self seeking, instead of the armour of Christ against that, ( to put on the Lord Jesus Christ/charity, the bond of perfectness, and charity seeks not her own.) ?

Those born again are kept from desiring to be self-seeking, and from all other sins. They can't desire sin anymore than their new man can (Phl 2:13). Notice I said "desiring," which means the sin nature is present, but the power for the old man to cause us to "desire" to sin is nullified, which answers to us being no longer after the flesh (sin nature), for believers are "not in the flesh" (Ro 8:9).

God bless!

 

[gordon777]

Those born again are kept from desiring to be self-seeking, and from all other sins. They can't desire sin anymore than their new man can (Phl 2:13). Notice I said "desiring," which means the sin nature is present, but the power for the old man to cause us to "desire" to sin is nullified, which answers to us being no longer after the flesh (sin nature), for believers are "not in the flesh" (Ro 8:9).

God bless!

Being born again is becoming as little children, which is not a sin nature, because being born again is to be one with Jesus Christ, to suggest a sin nature when joined one with the Lord, is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

As for your blessing...


Psalm 62:4 They only consult to cast him down from his excellency: they delight in lies: they bless with their mouth, but they curse inwardly. Selah.

Jeremiah 9:8 Their tongue is as an arrow shot out; it speaketh deceit: one speaketh peaceably to his neighbour with his mouth, but in heart he layeth his wait.

 

[netchaplain]

Being born again is becoming as little children, which is not a sin nature, because being born again is to be one with Jesus Christ, to suggest a sin nature when joined one with the Lord, is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

1Jo 1:8; Rom 7:17, 20; Mat 22:29. This post isn't to compete with you but encourage you to the Word of Truth!

 

[gordon777]

1Jo 1:8; Rom 7:17, 20; Mat 22:29. This post isn't to compete with you but encourage you to the Word of Truth!

We encourage in deed and truth, not in word/post.


1 John 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

 

[netchaplain]

We encourage in deed and truth, not in word/post.


1 John 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

This is probably my last communication with you, but I was wrong to approach you the way initially did. I was too rough-shod trying to share with you what I really thought I was suppose to say--but I was definitely wrong going about it the way I did. Sorry, and I apologize! I also understand that this apology may not be enough, but it's something I feel had to be said. God bless!

 

[gordon777]

This is probably my last communication with you, but I was wrong to approach you the way initially did. I was too rough-shod trying to share with you what I really thought I was suppose to say--but I was definitely wrong going about it the way I did. Sorry, and I apologize! I also understand that this apology may not be enough, but it's something I feel had to be said. God bless!

Here is how we repent.


Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.


Which means, we do not apologise with more words, we begin to do deed and truth.



Also, open rebuke is better than secret love.



Proverbs 27:5 Open rebuke is better than secret love.

1 Timothy 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

 

[netchaplain]

Here is how we repent.

Sorry Gordon, I have mistaken you with another poster. Please disregard! Thanks and God bless! (post # 9)

 

[gordon777]

Sorry Gordon, I have mistaken you with another poster. Please disregard! Thanks and God bless! (post # 9)

I have not mistaken though, saying sorry means little, compared to showing we are, believing in Christ, poor and sorrowful, a man acquainted with grief.



Psalm 69:29 But I am poor and sorrowful: let thy salvation, O God, set me up on high.

Psalm 126:6 He that goeth forth and weepeth, bearing precious seed, shall doubtless come again with rejoicing, bringing his sheaves with him.

Ecclesiastes 7:2 It is better to go to the house of mourning, than to go to the house of feasting: for that is the end of all men; and the living will lay it to his heart.
3 Sorrow is better than laughter: for by the sadness of the countenance the heart is made better.
4 The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning; but the heart of fools is in the house of mirth.

Isaiah 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Zephaniah 3:18 I will gather them that are sorrowful for the solemn assembly, who are of thee, to whom the reproach of it was a burden.

James 4:9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.

 

[netchaplain]

Just to be clear concerning my mistake in posters, post #9 was suppose to go to the poster "Board." Thanks.

 

[gordon777]

Just to be clear concerning my mistake in posters, post #9 was suppose to go to the poster "Board." Thanks.

Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

2 Peter 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.