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In the flesh....

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Georges

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Did Paul believe that Jesus came in human flesh?

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Was Christ's body real flesh?
What does "likeness of sinful flesh" mean? Does it mean Christ had a simulated body, one that looked like a man?

If Christ is God....wouldn't his body be perfect?

Phl 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Phl 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Phl 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Either Christ had a motal flesh body or he didn't....If he had a mortal (flesh) body, what about inherent sin (from Adam)? Wouldn't that mean Christ had a body of human (inherent sin) flesh?

If he came in the "likeness" doesn't that mean "not really, real"? as in the same flesh as you and I?

1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.


What does likeness mean?
 
Docetism....A belief that Jesus was not human, but was in appearence human.

Espoused and promoted by Marcion...

Marcion was a "The Paulinist". He believed in "Paul's words only"...and that the Gospels et al should be disgarded....


Who did Marcion develope his Docetism from? His patron...
 
He was God who came in the flesh. Perhaps it's only in likeness to sinful flesh because his body was perfect and with out sin.
 
Hi George,

I do not think that Paul taught that Christ did not come in the flesh.

In this chapter Paul is telling us that believers are not condemned in the flesh, because they walk after the Spirit, not after the flesh.

Chapter 8

1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
and obtain the liberty decreed by God in advance
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

George quoted
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:


The point of this verse, specifically, is that Christ could do what the law failed to do...redeem man, who is bound by a sinful nature. The law was the law of the flesh, and man, prior to Christ, was only able to walk after the flesh. Christ, being born of Mary, was in the flesh, and being born of the Spirit too, was able to walk after the Spirit while in the flesh, unlike men who are born of the flesh, and carnal minded...dead in spirit. So, he was like man, being fleshly, but unlike man in that the Holy Spirit, of whom He was conceived, was in Him, and His Spirit was not dead. He was able to walk in a manner that was not sinful...not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Paul is ultimately telling us that as believers the law of the flesh can no longer condemn us because we are alive in our spirit through Christ, born again. Christ's sacrifice, and being born in the Spirit, has enabled us to walk after the Spirit as He did.

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Certainly Paul is acknowledging that Christ was raised from the dead, so we can assume he believes Christ was in the flesh, but not sinful flesh, only in the likeness of this, because by the Holy Spirit, the Spirit in Him, Christ was born, and didn't have to be reborn, and did not have a sinful nature or a carnal mind, but was born alive in he Spirit.

The Lord bless you.
 
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