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Relic - what I said is that I would sacrifice myself to protect my family - but that I would not use physical violence to defend myself.
You see, the issue for me is how can one express unconditional love to others, including our enemies, through the use of violence - especially deadly violence?
All the examples that have been given through the OT have one common thing - they were God ordained and God ordered.
We can "think" actions of today's military and government are God ordained, but do we know? The outcome does not necessarily justify the means of the action taken.
Not to mention that there were rules to waging war, and sanctifying rituals for the military. Also, when Israel went to war it was clear that they were the underdog, with less military might then their enenies, less equipment, etc - thus showing that it was God doing the 'fighting'. The King was not to take a census of His people, His army, and was not to reap the spoils of war.
If you want to use the OT to justify military action, then I would suggest that you need to follow all rules of military action in the OT.
Lastly - I would ask "Where does our Freedoms come from"? Ultimately our freedom comes from God - not a piece of paper and not through the sword. It is God who will sustain a believer, regardless of the situation that believer is found in.
Do believers around the world not speak out about the tryanny they face? Do believers around the world, where Christianity is illegal, still spread the Gospel?
The church has flourished more under persecuation, that not.
He who loses his life for His sake......
He who saves his life for his sake.....
You see, the issue for me is how can one express unconditional love to others, including our enemies, through the use of violence - especially deadly violence?
All the examples that have been given through the OT have one common thing - they were God ordained and God ordered.
We can "think" actions of today's military and government are God ordained, but do we know? The outcome does not necessarily justify the means of the action taken.
Not to mention that there were rules to waging war, and sanctifying rituals for the military. Also, when Israel went to war it was clear that they were the underdog, with less military might then their enenies, less equipment, etc - thus showing that it was God doing the 'fighting'. The King was not to take a census of His people, His army, and was not to reap the spoils of war.
If you want to use the OT to justify military action, then I would suggest that you need to follow all rules of military action in the OT.
Lastly - I would ask "Where does our Freedoms come from"? Ultimately our freedom comes from God - not a piece of paper and not through the sword. It is God who will sustain a believer, regardless of the situation that believer is found in.
Do believers around the world not speak out about the tryanny they face? Do believers around the world, where Christianity is illegal, still spread the Gospel?
The church has flourished more under persecuation, that not.
He who loses his life for His sake......
He who saves his life for his sake.....