Intellectual thinking can send a person to hell

[Guest]

Hello,
I thought I would throw my views on who God is to help those who seek the truth of who God is. Many people have their view on who God is. I was once a trinity believer but looked into other views and was revealed about who Jesus is.

I also found out that Man's worldly intellectual knowledge will not help them come any closer to the Revelation of who Jesus is. For instance take a look at this scripture.

55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up steadfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

It looks like Jesus is standing on the right hand of God. Using the intellectual mind, thats what it looks like. It looks like there are 2 persons up there. But is there really? I thought God is omni-present. Is He? I God everywhere? Is the Spirit of God limited to a throne? Is He not all over, even in the depths of Hell?

How is Jesus then able to stand right next to the Father in heaven? How is Jesus even able to stand even behind God or on the left hand of God?

Can the human intellectual mind grasp such knowledge?

Also, if there is a trinity bunch up in heaven...why would the Father send his Son to die on the cross and let the Son get the glory instead of the Father? I thought God was a very Jealous God.

Why would Jesus wait till he had ascended back up to heaven in order to send the Holy Ghost down?

Why not send Him at once?

The Bible is filled with many many scriptures that the intellectual mind cannot understand. That is why the Holy Ghost reveals revelation.

 

[Quath]

It sounds like you are saying "All of this makes no sense. Just blindly believe it." Or maybe "Believe it with the guidance of the Holy Ghost"?

But people who say they are guided by the Holy Ghost will come to different theologies. That means that either the Holy Ghost likes to confuse people; people think they are guided by the Holy Ghost when they are not; or there is no Holy Ghost.

But that sounds like intellectual thinking again. Don't think -- Just believe?

 

[Rick W]

It sounds like you are saying "All of this makes no sense. Just blindly believe it." Or maybe "Believe it with the guidance of the Holy Ghost"?

But people who say they are guided by the Holy Ghost will come to different theologies. That means that either the Holy Ghost likes to confuse people; people think they are guided by the Holy Ghost when they are not; or there is no Holy Ghost.

But that sounds like intellectual thinking again. Don't think -- Just believe?

And:
People read too much into scripture
People read too little into scripture

Or:
There is such an entity as a Holy Ghost
The wise think they know there is no Holy Ghost
The learned think they have the last word concerning the Holy Ghost


Heck, I can go on like this all day imagining a multitude of options.

Another way to prove something that cannot be detected is to observe it's effect. In this manner scientists may conclude the existence of a black hole when in reality they can't see it. Likewise, we have no idea how or why gravity works but through it's effects we know it exists.

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

So by the Holy Ghost's effect we can be assured he does exist.



At any rate, there are just some things that need taken on the basis of faith. All cannot be proven to the satisfaction of man especially if he doesn't want to believe in the first place.

 

[jane boston]

Ah, but wouldn't it make more sense that God is omnipresent if the trinity does in fact, exist? You ask how there could be three and one. My pastor, a man who I greatly respect, had this view: What if God exists on another dimension? If we would create our own beings that were so small to us, that when they tried to see us, we were simply too big to comprehend so they just had to believe we exist because of influences we had on their lives? It would explain His omnipresence at least. Our time does not coincide with His, our year could be a minute to God! How easy would it be then to have the whole earth under his control, to be seemingly everywhere at once! And he used Jesus because He knew we needed a perfect sacrifice for our sins, and that must be in the form of Flesh. And the Holy Ghost to communicate with us on a day to day basis, in the little "voice" we hear gently guiding and soothing us. But the three together, or each apart, are God! Amazing and hard to believe, huh?! But we were not meant to know, because if we could comprehend and understand everything, then why would we even need God? :wink:

 

[Rick W]

... if we could comprehend and understand everything, then why would we even need God? :wink:

Or have need of faith for that matter. So many of the OT prophets had faith through which they were accounted as righteous. And this without total knowledge or absolute proof that many say they require today.

For there must be a balance of knowledge and faith. And for each a differing measure of both.

 

[mutzrein]

rlindstrom - A very provocative first post - and much that I agree with. Are you able to explain how it was you were once trinitarian and what it was specifically that changed your mind?

 

[TanNinety]

Intellectual thinking can send a person to hell

What do you suggest a muslim should do reading his Quran? Turn off his intellect? Do you think any person who belongs to any other religion or an atheist, should set aside his intellect and stick to his belief as they read from their own scripture and believe it as is?

If Adam and Eve had excercised their intellect then they wouldn't have believed in Satan's lie and get kicked out of Eden. If I hadn't excercised my intellect I would be a hindu today. Would you then disagree that intellectual thinking can save a person from hell?

Or am I totally missing your point of view? And welcome to the forums.

 

[Guest]

Many people believe "Godhead" to mean a Trinity of Three Persons who comprise or make up the Godhead; that is, "the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost". But when looking up the definition of "Godhead", we see the Greek word "theotes" which means "divinity" from "theos" meaning "a magistrate, the Supreme Divinity". Nowhere does it mention a trinity as most would expect.



Paul writes to the church at Colosse about the mystery of God. "That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ." (Colossians 2:2). Paul goes on to say that in Jesus Christ is hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. (Colossians 2:3). He warns the church about this mystery of God, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.



"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ." (Colossians 2:8). The truth concerning the Godhead requires the closest scrutiny so as not to be deceived, and Paul is elaborating on this precise point of deception. "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." (Provers 14:12). Paul plainly states the bottom line for the revelation of the "mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ"; that is, "For in him (Jesus Christ) dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily." (Colossians 2:9). How many bodies or persons are in the Godhead? "Bodily" is "one, singular body" indicating there is but One Person of the Godhead which has all the fullness of the Godhead, the Supreme Divinity.



A key word is "dwelleth" from the Greek "katoikeo" which means "to house permanently". Therefore, "in him", something or someone houses permanently or makes a permanent abode. Who or What makes a permanent abode or houses permanently forever "in him"? Paul states "all the fullnes of the Godhead" dwelleth or houses permanently "in him". How much of the Godhead houses permanently in Christ Jesus? One half, or one third of the Godhead dwelleth in him. No! "All" or "100%" of the Godhead or Supreme Divinity houses permanently in the One Body of Jesus Christ; not a three person Godhead, neither a two person Godhead, but One and One only Person of God.



The word "bodily" comes form the Greek word "somatikos" which means "corporeally or physically". "Corporeal" refers to the material substance of the body and is opposed to spiritual. It means to "come in the flesh", "to come in bodily human flesh and blood"; not bodies (plural), but one singular body of flesh; i.e., "The Word made flesh". The Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost are One and the Selfsame Spirit as stated by John. (1 John 5:7). Therefore, the Father, who is the Word or Holy Ghost was made flesh as a human being and dwelled among us as the "Word (God) made flesh" as the Singular Person of the Godhead Jesus Christ. Therefore, in Jesus Christ dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead in a singular body of flesh as the express image of the One Person of God. There are not three persons in the Godhead; neither are there two persons comprising the Godhead. There is one Solitary Single Person of God; "Jesus Christ".



If one believed the account of Paul to the Colossians as to the Godhead, one could only conclude that somehow Jesus Christ is the Father or Word, who is the Same Spirit as the Holy Ghost, that is manifested in One body of flesh as the express image of the One Person of God. "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." (1 Timothy 3:16). Who was manifested in the flesh declaring the eternal Godhead? None other than Jesus Christ, the One Person of God having the fullness of the Godhead housing in Him permanently forever in His one body of flesh. This is the true God and eternal life.



How many Persons are in the Godhead that you serve? There can only be one God in one Person, not One God in three Persons. For three Persons would have three separate and distinct personalities due to them being separate. No man calleth Jesus Christ Lord (Jehovah) save by the Holy Ghost.