Introducing Prisoner 42... imprisoned for faith

[TDC Radio]

I will cover this story tonight on the show

North Korean woman imprisoned for faith shares how God sustained her amid horrific abuses

A Christian survivor of a North Korean prison camp describes the horrific torture she endured for her faith and how God stayed with her through the brutality

www.christianpost.com

Insight and thoughts? I noticed one thing.... she denounced Jesus to live? interesting!

 

[TDC Radio]

One prisoner denounced Jesus and lived to testify, One refused to and died.... Just wondering how the body feels about this.

 

[TDC Radio]

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Well, you have to admit one thing, it's a really tough situation to be in. :neutral I mean the Lord knows our hearts and knows which of His children belong to Him,.. but me personally, I would rather die for Him (as He died for me) than denounce Him.

 

[TDC Radio]

Well, you have to admit one thing, it's a really tough situation to be in. :neutral I mean the Lord knows our hearts and knows which of His children belong to Him,.. but me personally, I would rather die for Him (as He died for me) than denounce Him.

Yes, Gods grace is sufficient, I found it odd is all. Until ur tested to this level we would never know. My heart cries never but when persecuted one never knows. Yet, one still testifies and one can't due to being taken home. Funny how the one who testifies today is testifying for the one who can't

 

[Who Me]

Many Christians have through fear of torture or death, denounced Jesus etc. They have often returned to serve him and suffered the further problem of rejection/suspicion from other Christians. In fact it split the church durring the various roman periods of perscutions of the church.

That there are Christians in North Korea is a cause for praise and for prayer for their support and encouragement.
Ditto China and any other authoritarian state.

 

[TDC Radio]

Many Christians have through fear of torture or death, denounced Jesus etc. They have often returned to serve him and suffered the further problem of rejection/suspicion from other Christians. In fact it split the church durring the various roman periods of perscutions of the church.

That there are Christians in North Korea is a cause for praise and for prayer for their support and encouragement.
Ditto China and any other authoritarian state.

I remember Peter denying Christ three times.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Many Christians have through fear of torture or death, denounced Jesus etc. They have often returned to serve him and suffered the further problem of rejection/suspicion from other Christians. In fact it split the church durring the various roman periods of perscutions of the church.

That there are Christians in North Korea is a cause for praise and for prayer for their support and encouragement.
Ditto China and any other authoritarian state.

I'm sorry but a Christian who fears death isn't a Christian at all in my book.

 

[TDC Radio]

I don't want to judge her (42) for denying Christ, yet this is what made this article so intriguing. Was it God's will? I know he wasn't surprised! Interesting.

 

[WIP]

I'm sorry but a Christian who fears death isn't a Christian at all in my book.

I think a statement like this is easy to say but when faced with the harsh reality, we may find ourselves in a different place.

As already mentioned, Peter denied Jesus three times. I expect it was out of fear for his own life that he did this.

Edit: It is also notable that he did this within just hours after he swore he would die if necessary for Jesus' sake.

 

[Who Me]

n 250 AD, the Emperor Decius unleashed a new wave of persecution against the Church. All citizens had to obtain a certificate saying that they had sacrificed to Caesar and the gods. Pope Fabian was martyred within three weeks. Many others perished during the 14 months of the onslaught. Cyprian went into hiding, but when he returned he found that many of his flock had compromised. Some had sacrificed, while others had bought forged certificates saying that they had.
There was a crisis in the North African Church. It had not previously accepted lapsed Christians back into fellowship, but now there were too many of them. Some still thought they should never be admitted, others thought they should be welcomed straight back, others only on their deathbeds. There were also conflicts arising from the status of those who had maintained their faith under torture and survived, with some saying that they outranked the bishops.
The controversy even struck at Rome, with a priest named Novatian leading a schism on the pretext that Fabian's successor Cornelius had granted absolution to some of those who had lapsed.
Cyprian made a passionate appeal for unity. His fellow bishops agreed to follow his advice and avoid extremes. Those who had compromised their faith could be restored, but only after penance and genuine repentance.
This was not the end of the story, or the end of the schism – and it was certainly not the end of the persecutions. Cyprian himself was beheaded in 258 AD.

What would you do if this Korean Christian arrived at your church?
Welcome her or send her away?

 

[TDC Radio]

I think a statement like this is easy to say but when faced with the harsh reality, we may find ourselves in a different place.

As already mentioned, Peter denied Jesus three times. I expect it was out of fear for his own life that he did this.

Even Peter said, Lord I will die for you prior to denial. Eventually he did die of persecution. I think spiritual growth has a say in this thread and article.

 

[WIP]

Even Peter said, Lord I will die for you prior to denial. Eventually he did die of persecution. I think spiritual growth has a say in this thread and article.

My apologies. I edited my post above while you were typing your response. We're thinking on the same page.

 

[TDC Radio]

n 250 AD, the Emperor Decius unleashed a new wave of persecution against the Church. All citizens had to obtain a certificate saying that they had sacrificed to Caesar and the gods. Pope Fabian was martyred within three weeks. Many others perished during the 14 months of the onslaught. Cyprian went into hiding, but when he returned he found that many of his flock had compromised. Some had sacrificed, while others had bought forged certificates saying that they had.
There was a crisis in the North African Church. It had not previously accepted lapsed Christians back into fellowship, but now there were too many of them. Some still thought they should never be admitted, others thought they should be welcomed straight back, others only on their deathbeds. There were also conflicts arising from the status of those who had maintained their faith under torture and survived, with some saying that they outranked the bishops.
The controversy even struck at Rome, with a priest named Novatian leading a schism on the pretext that Fabian's successor Cornelius had granted absolution to some of those who had lapsed.
Cyprian made a passionate appeal for unity. His fellow bishops agreed to follow his advice and avoid extremes. Those who had compromised their faith could be restored, but only after penance and genuine repentance.
This was not the end of the story, or the end of the schism – and it was certainly not the end of the persecutions. Cyprian himself was beheaded in 258 AD.

What would you do if this Korean Christian arrived at your church?
Welcome her or send her away?

I would welcome her, I forgive my brothers and sisters 70x7 a day.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

I think a statement like this is easy to say but when faced with the harsh reality, we may find ourselves in a different place.

As already mentioned, Peter denied Jesus three times. I expect it was out of fear for his own life that he did this.

Edit: It is also notable that he did this within just hours after he swore he would die if necessary for Jesus' sake.

Good point.

 

[TDC Radio]

Is it possible that 42 was less than a year old in Christ? which in turn could cause such a reaction? Or maybe her faith was not fully developed yet? Also, consider they have no bibles to read!

 

[Who Me]

I would welcome her, I forgive my brothers and sisters 70x7 a day.

Interestingly the early church history I quoted said welcome, but on repentance.
Why forgiveness? It is not your job to forgive a backsliding Christian.

Change the imagery. A Christian tried, convicted of sexual abuse arives at your church.
What do you do?

On talking to them, they do not recognise they have done wrong. Would you welcome them or what?

 

[Tessa]

My greatest fear is that I would let God down in a situation like this. But I would just have to rely on the Holy Spirit to strengthen me. It is not up to us to judge. Yes I would accept and welcome someone who had been through this. Peter is a great example. When he had received the Holy Spirit he was an amazing leader.

 

[Tessa]

Interestingly the early church history I quoted said welcome, but on repentance.
Why forgiveness? It is not your job to forgive a backsliding Christian.

Change the imagery. A Christian tried, convicted of sexual abuse arives at your church.
What do you do?

On talking to them, they do not recognise they have done wrong. Would you welcome them or what?

Who Me I was replying to your previous post sorry I did not see the last one. I would never judge anyone. Even people who judge people

 

[TDC Radio]

Interestingly the early church history I quoted said welcome, but on repentance.
Why forgiveness? It is not your job to forgive a backsliding Christian.

Change the imagery. A Christian tried, convicted of sexual abuse arives at your church.
What do you do?

On talking to them, they do not recognise they have done wrong. Would you welcome them or what?

I think sexual abuse and not repenting is a bit off topic to what this thread was designed for, yet I will entertain your thought. I believe Paul stated in such a case to give them over to satan for a season and not associate or fellowship with them. I still love them just not the sin. Remember, we are talking apples to oranges here. The 2 do not go hand in hand. Denying Christ and returning to the body afterwards is a form of repentance in itself.