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reznwerks

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Yea it's a strange question coming from me but as usual I make posts to make you think. Jesus said that those that are looking for signs of his return are evil and adulterous. So I ask what is this forum for other than looking for signs of Jesus' return?

"Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: For as Jonas was three days and three night in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" Matthew 12:38-40."
 
reznwerks said:
Yea it's a strange question coming from me but as usual I make posts to make you think. Jesus said that those that are looking for signs of his return are evil and adulterous. So I ask what is this forum for other than looking for signs of Jesus' return?

"Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: For as Jonas was three days and three night in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" Matthew 12:38-40."


Keyword: "Adulterous".
 
Matt 12:39 An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign


“How does a disposition to seek after signs relate to seeking after carnal pleasures? Simply stated, those who have given themselves up to their lusts, who desire that which will satiate the flesh, and who have exhausted their passions in their search for the sensual also seek physical manifestations of spiritual sensations. They demand proof!

Unable to recognize and acknowledge eternal certainties, they insist that the truths associated with the area with which they are least familiarâ€â€the spiritualâ€â€be manifest and translated into that realm they have come to know more surely than any otherâ€â€the fanciful and the physical. The adulterous are those who worship at the altar of appetite, whose thresholds for gratification are ever rising and who thereby demand something extraordinary to establish the truthfulness of a claim. Ironically, this claim may be verified only by the quiet and unobtrusive whisperings of the Spirit. Spiritual blindness and the spirit of adultery are thus common companions. ...

http://www.gospeldoctrine.com/NewTestament/Matt12.htm

Contrast that with this:

Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

That from a book filled with signs.

You see, they (the Jews) demanded signs. We only seek to understand the prophecies and signs already given to them. We do not need signs; we have promises. 8-)
 
Not only that Vic, this scripture used is 'out of context'. They were looking for a 'sign' that Christ was the Messiah, NOT a sign of His return, so the entire post really didn't amount to anything of consequence, just personal conjecture that wasn't even close to pertaining to what was offered.
 
signs

Imagican said:
Not only that Vic, this scripture used is 'out of context'. They were looking for a 'sign' that Christ was the Messiah, NOT a sign of His return, so the entire post really didn't amount to anything of consequence, just personal conjecture that wasn't even close to pertaining to what was offered.
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Starting in Matt 12:36 we read
"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. "
Jesus is talking about the end and the scribes understand it as such. The chapter continues about the consequences of lifes actions as we read again in Mat12:37
"For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."
Read on into Mat 12:45
Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last [state] of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation. "
I think I've made my point and it is obvious that what I orininally posted is not taken out of context and it is meant exactly as implied. There are several references of the "generation" that is looking after signs and clearly Christians should not be doing it according to what Jesus said. You should also note that I am not cherry picking my passages. These are all in succession from Matthew .
 
Re: signs

reznwerks said:
=========
Starting in Matt 12:36 we read
"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. "
Jesus is talking about the end and the scribes understand it as such. The chapter continues about the consequences of lifes actions as we read again in Mat12:37
"For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."
Read on into Mat 12:45
Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last [state] of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation. "
I think I've made my point and it is obvious that what I orininally posted is not taken out of context and it is meant exactly as implied. There are several references of the "generation" that is looking after signs and clearly Christians should not be doing it according to what Jesus said. You should also note that I am not cherry picking my passages. These are all in succession from Matthew .

So basicaly what you're trying to say it that, since you believe every one here is evil, Then we will be given the sign of the prophet jonah, And we'll see the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth?

Really now, I hardly think that Jesus is gonna come back to be crucified a second time just because you believe the people here at this forum are evil.

here is something for you to chew on:

Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Now then, if i remember correctly, we are given signs to look for and even told to watch for them, lets see in i can find a few for you:

Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcass is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Mat 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Mat 24:45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
Mat 24:46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
Mat 24:47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
Mat 24:48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
Mat 24:49 And shall begin to smite his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
Mat 24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
Mat 24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


Clearly he is speaking about a different generation here in mathew 24 than he was in mathew 12:39-40, for that wicked generation was only given one sign to look for and that being Jesus crucified, burried, and raised again the third day, But regarding his return, We (the righteous generation) are given plenty of signs to look for, and are even compelled to watch for them.

Is that enough signs to prove my point? or shall i continue? the Bible is full of signs and we are told many times to watch for them,

Here is just a few more that i believe speaks very clearly about the things that have been happening the past few years:

Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Look up people, don't listen to these false teachers and false prophets telling us not to look for signs when the Bible clearly says otherwise, the last of the last days are upon us, And i for one, am homesick to go home.

PS: i hope this post makes not just you think, but all who read it.
 
Re: signs

Green^Horn said:
reznwerks said:
=========
Starting in Matt 12:36 we read
"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. "
Jesus is talking about the end and the scribes understand it as such. The chapter continues about the consequences of lifes actions as we read again in Mat12:37
"For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."
Read on into Mat 12:45
Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last [state] of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation. "
I think I've made my point and it is obvious that what I orininally posted is not taken out of context and it is meant exactly as implied. There are several references of the "generation" that is looking after signs and clearly Christians should not be doing it according to what Jesus said. You should also note that I am not cherry picking my passages. These are all in succession from Matthew .

So basicaly what you're trying to say it that, since you believe every one here is evil, Then we will be given the sign of the prophet jonah, And we'll see the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth?

Really now, I hardly think that Jesus is gonna come back to be crucified a second time just because you believe the people here at this forum are evil.

here is something for you to chew on:
Get some decaf. QUICK! I didn't say anyone here is evil. Jesus said you are evil if you are looking after signs of his return. As for my personal opinion do a check on my posts. What I can fathom from the remarks of Jesus is that you (CHristians) should be going about your business as Christians and not looking for signs etc. In business it's called sticking to the game plan. When you go to work do your job the best you can and everything usually works to your advantage if the game plan is sound.
 
Re: signs

reznwerks said:
Get some decaf. QUICK! I didn't say anyone here is evil. Jesus said you are evil if you are looking after signs of his return.

show me the verse where he said what you just accused him of, i don't believe you can find it because it doesn't exist,

reznwerks said:
As for my personal opinion do a check on my posts. What I can fathom from the remarks of Jesus is that you (CHristians) should be going about your business as Christians and not looking for signs etc.
try reading the rest of the Bible, rather than just the parts that you "think" backs your false accusations.

reznwerks said:
In business it's called sticking to the game plan.
well then you just came unstuck,

reznwerks said:
When you go to work do your job the best you can and everything usually works to your advantage if the game plan is sound.
try driving to work with your eyes closed and see where it gets you, thats essentualy what you are telling us we should do.
 
Re: signs

Green^Horn said:
reznwerks said:
Get some decaf. QUICK! I didn't say anyone here is evil. Jesus said you are evil if you are looking after signs of his return.

show me the verse where he said what you just accused him of, i don't believe you can find it because it doesn't exist,
Go back to the original post.

reznwerks said:
As for my personal opinion do a check on my posts. What I can fathom from the remarks of Jesus is that you (CHristians) should be going about your business as Christians and not looking for signs etc.
try reading the rest of the Bible, rather than just the parts that you "think" backs your false accusations.
Been there done that and probably more than you. That is why I am where I am and most atheists are where they are because they did read the book.

reznwerks said:
In business it's called sticking to the game plan.
well then you just came unstuck,
I'm not in the game plan. I am and outside observer. If you are looking for signs you are part of that generation that Jesus referred too.

reznwerks said:
When you go to work do your job the best you can and everything usually works to your advantage if the game plan is sound.
try driving to work with your eyes closed and see where it gets you, thats essentualy what you are telling us we should do.
No, here is where you have a problem understanding. Driving is a job and if you DO THE JOB your eyes are NOT closed. Only when you drive as you suggest do problems arise. So the moral of the story in what Jesus told you is that watching for signs is not your job.
 
Re: signs

reznwerks said:
Green^Horn said:
reznwerks said:
Get some decaf. QUICK! I didn't say anyone here is evil. Jesus said you are evil if you are looking after signs of his return.

show me the verse where he said what you just accused him of, i don't believe you can find it because it doesn't exist,
Go back to the original post.
I read the original post before i posted, and Jesus did not say in the verse you quoted, or in any other verse what you have falsely accused him of here, but really you allready knew that even before you posted it, and i knew that you knew it as well even before i posted, and you knew that as well when you read my post didn't you?

reznwerks said:
As for my personal opinion do a check on my posts. What I can fathom from the remarks of Jesus is that you (CHristians) should be going about your business as Christians and not looking for signs etc.
try reading the rest of the Bible, rather than just the parts that you "think" backs your false accusations.
Been there done that and probably more than you. That is why I am where I am and most atheists are where they are because they did read the book.
well it's obvious that you haven't read it nearly enough, elsewise you could have done a much better job of trying to deceive people than you have done here, i don't much believe your master will be very pleased with you.

reznwerks said:
In business it's called sticking to the game plan.
well then you just came unstuck,
I'm not in the game plan. I am and outside observer. If you are looking for signs you are part of that generation that Jesus referred too.
you have totaly missunderstood me here now, you see it is your "business" that came all unglued, and your "plan" has been shipwrecked by The Word of God, and again there you go with the false accusations again.

reznwerks said:
When you go to work do your job the best you can and everything usually works to your advantage if the game plan is sound.
try driving to work with your eyes closed and see where it gets you, thats essentualy what you are telling us we should do.
No, here is where you have a problem understanding. Driving is a job and if you DO THE JOB your eyes are NOT closed. Only when you drive as you suggest do problems arise. So the moral of the story in what Jesus told you is that watching for signs is not your job.
no it's you who has a problem understanding, you see, you have tried to do your job blindfolded, and you have made a total mess of it,

Let me give you some pointers, you see, if your going to try to deceive people, especialy believers, then you are going to have to really dig down and study The Word of God, and learn lots of subtle little ways to twist the meanings of scripture to suit your agenda like the preterists have done, you see they are real pros at it, they would never make such an obvious mistake as you have done here in this thread, they could give you some more pointers i'm sure, but even then, you will still not be able to deveive the elect, not even if you were to succeed at transforming yourself to appear as an angel of light,

ok i reckon i'm through messing with you now, the only reason i even bothered responding to your rediculus post in the first place is so that the young and the weaker of the flock would not be taken in by your nonsense.

l8r
 
Re: signs

Green^Horn said:
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Let me give you some pointers, you see, if your going to try to deceive people, especialy believers, then you are going to have to really dig down and study The Word of God, and learn lots of subtle little ways to twist the meanings of scripture to suit your agenda like the preterists have done, you see they are real pros at it, they would never make such an obvious mistake as you have done here in this thread, they could give you some more pointers i'm sure, but even then, you will still not be able to deveive the elect,
I'm not deceiving anyone. I just pointed out the words of Jesus. If you don't like it take it up with him. If you consider yourself one of the "elect" you must have one heck of an ego. The bible says 144,000 will be caught up in the air and saved. Well at last count that would be 144,000 out of some 7 billion or so people on the planet. Do the math.

ok i reckon i'm through messing with you now, the only reason i even bothered responded to your rediculus post in the first place is so that the young and the weaker of the flock would not be taken in by your nonsense.
I see you have a circle the wagon mentality. Don't let anyone think for themselves. Ignore what Jesus plainly said and let someone else do the interpreting. I don't see why you are so upset. To follow the advise that Jesus plainly gave would be the epitome of faith. You see if you really believe in Christianity and follow it's teachings by keeping your nose to the grindstone then what is going on around you should'nt really concern you , should it? It will all work out in the end IF you have faith.
 
Re: signs

Green^Horn said:
reznwerks said:
[quote="Green^Horn":42281]
reznwerks said:
Get some decaf. QUICK! I didn't say anyone here is evil. Jesus said you are evil if you are looking after signs of his return.

show me the verse where he said what you just accused him of, i don't believe you can find it because it doesn't exist,
Go back to the original post.
I read the original post before i posted, and Jesus did not say in the verse you quoted, or in any other verse what you have falsely accused him of here, but really you allready knew that even before you posted it, and i knew that you knew it as well even before i posted, and you knew that as well when you read my post didn't you?
Perhaps you have selective vision in which you only see what you want to see.

reznwerks said:
As for my personal opinion do a check on my posts. What I can fathom from the remarks of Jesus is that you (CHristians) should be going about your business as Christians and not looking for signs etc.
try reading the rest of the Bible, rather than just the parts that you "think" backs your false accusations.
I suggest you do the same. It's often said the bible proves all points of view.
Been there done that and probably more than you. That is why I am where I am and most atheists are where they are because they did read the book.
well it's obvious that you haven't read it nearly enough, elsewise you could have done a much better job of trying to deceive people than you have done here, i don't much believe your master will be very pleased with you.
On the contrary I have read it many times and probably understand it better than you. My master if one exists will be very proud of me in that I am using the brain he gave me. I don't believe the creator if one exists rewards gullibility.

reznwerks said:
In business it's called sticking to the game plan.
well then you just came unstuck,
I'm not in the game plan. I am and outside observer. If you are looking for signs you are part of that generation that Jesus referred too.
you have totaly missunderstood me here now, you see it is your "business" that came all unglued, and your "plan" has been shipwrecked by The Word of God, and again there you go with the false accusations again.
No. I think you misunderstood me. I am not in the game plan.The bible and Christianity is the game plan. I don't play. I have no false accusations unless you accuse Jesus of not meaning what he says. Or is this one of those passages you can't swallow and need to "interpret" it's meaning so you can swallow it?

reznwerks said:
When you go to work do your job the best you can and everything usually works to your advantage if the game plan is sound.
try driving to work with your eyes closed and see where it gets you, thats essentualy what you are telling us we should do.
No, here is where you have a problem understanding. Driving is a job and if you DO THE JOB your eyes are NOT closed. Only when you drive as you suggest do problems arise. So the moral of the story in what Jesus told you is that watching for signs is not your job.
no it's you who has a problem understanding, you see, you have tried to do your job blindfolded, and you have made a total mess of it,
What job is that and what mess are you referring too?
[/quote:42281]
 
reznwerks said:
Yea it's a strange question coming from me but as usual I make posts to make you think. Jesus said that those that are looking for signs of his return are evil and adulterous. So I ask what is this forum for other than looking for signs of Jesus' return?

"Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: For as Jonas was three days and three night in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" Matthew 12:38-40."

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Hi, see if this is not the correct contrast between the two class of who it is that Loves Christ?

Chapter 5 of 1 Thess.

1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. (?? :sad )

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. (Take a 'good' look around planet earth! :sad )

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. :fadein:


5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. (:fadein:)

6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. (Yet one best understand Matthew 25 real good, huh?)

7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

--John
 
John the Baptist said:
reznwerks said:
Yea it's a strange question coming from me but as usual I make posts to make you think. Jesus said that those that are looking for signs of his return are evil and adulterous. So I ask what is this forum for other than looking for signs of Jesus' return?

"Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: For as Jonas was three days and three night in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" Matthew 12:38-40."

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Hi, see if this is not the correct contrast between the two class of who it is that Loves Christ?

Chapter 5 of 1 Thess.
Which carries more weight when it comes to authority: An unrehearsed spontaneous converstion with Jesus himself or a book written by Paul ,Silas and Timothey all of which never met the man in question.
 
Good question for the Heb. 5 beginners. (no judgement of you intended.. read on!)

But I think (?) that Matthew 4:4 is as authentic as the red letter verses of what man calls the 4 Gospels. I suppose that one now thinks that the Heb. 5 ones are me, huh? Whatever. :wink:

Anyway, I believe that the Word of the Godhead, all 66 books are of the same Truth, or the Word of the Godhead. 2 Peter 1:20-21 & John 1:1-4 +!

And End time prophesy?? We are in the ENDING of its prophesy as I see it. I believe that God is bringing things to a conclusion rapidly. (No dates from this end!) I pretty much see it as seven thousand years to the End of the wicked & 6000 years from the beginning of creation to the second coming of Christ, with the 1000 years in between, give or take a few years.. by mans 'messed' up calculations!

But when we see the Matthew 24:14 verse completed, it will all come to a close as Christ stated, (as well as Paul by inspiration) that He will make short work of the end time. (bottom line) And that it (I say) will all be finished very quickly by persecution and world T.V.

---John
 
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