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Is evolution a fact or a theory?
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Is Creation a theory or a fact?
Is Creation a theory or a fact?
Is Creation a theory or a fact?
Re: Is Creation a theory or a fact?
Did God created Adam in 144 Earth hours from the beginning of creation and Eve in 24 hours from Adam, According to scripture Eve wasn’t made until the seventh day.
Based on one day in heaven = 1000 years on Earth, (personally I believe there was no time frame, by God creating the Heavens and the earth and all living creatures) but according to this time frame one day in heaven is 1000 years on earth then it could be said" God created man in 367.920.000 Earth hours (there about) from the beginning of His creation and Eve 42.924.000 Earth hours after Adam". This time may have given Adam time to learn.
I wouldn't think Adam could have learned the language of God to communicate with Him or even have the time to name all the animals in 86.400 seconds, 1 day
Keeping in mind that God didn't create the greater light for ruling the day and the lesser light for the ruling of the night until day four. Meaning there was no markers for season's days and years (no time) before that period or even after that period until God spirit was finishing creating.
Did God created Adam in 144 Earth hours from the beginning of creation and Eve in 24 hours from Adam, According to scripture Eve wasn’t made until the seventh day.
Based on one day in heaven = 1000 years on Earth, (personally I believe there was no time frame, by God creating the Heavens and the earth and all living creatures) but according to this time frame one day in heaven is 1000 years on earth then it could be said" God created man in 367.920.000 Earth hours (there about) from the beginning of His creation and Eve 42.924.000 Earth hours after Adam". This time may have given Adam time to learn.
I wouldn't think Adam could have learned the language of God to communicate with Him or even have the time to name all the animals in 86.400 seconds, 1 day
Keeping in mind that God didn't create the greater light for ruling the day and the lesser light for the ruling of the night until day four. Meaning there was no markers for season's days and years (no time) before that period or even after that period until God spirit was finishing creating.
Re: Is Creation a theory or a fact?
It can't be ruled out nor can it be ruled, why because nobody knows and everthing said is just assumtions.I believe there was no time when God created the Heavens and the Earth and all living things.Time only began when God finished His work and rested.
It can't be ruled out nor can it be ruled, why because nobody knows and everthing said is just assumtions.I believe there was no time when God created the Heavens and the Earth and all living things.Time only began when God finished His work and rested.
Re: Is Creation a theory or a fact?
I can only speculate that God Spirit was still creating and the sun's light would have no penetration
through His light while sill on Earth creating so season couldn't be marked nor was there anyone to mark them. Thats why I said" I believe time didn;t start until He was finished and saw all things were complete.
What about the first four days then John what time value did they have if any?
Godbless
I can only speculate that God Spirit was still creating and the sun's light would have no penetration
through His light while sill on Earth creating so season couldn't be marked nor was there anyone to mark them. Thats why I said" I believe time didn;t start until He was finished and saw all things were complete.
What about the first four days then John what time value did they have if any?
Godbless
coelacanth
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Re: Is Creation a theory or a fact?
If you are using the scientific sense of "theory", then no, not by any stretch of the imagination does it qualify as a theory.
If you prefer the common colloquial usage of what theory means, along the lines of "speculation", "guess", or "conjecture", then of course it does. Anything anyone believes is a theory in that sense.
There is, of course, a continuum of what a person might mean when they say something is a theory. It's a question of semantics regarding what a "theory" is that quite often, and understandably, bothers many scientists when something scientific is discredited and dismissed on the basis that it is "only a theory".
Dave Slayer said:
If you are using the scientific sense of "theory", then no, not by any stretch of the imagination does it qualify as a theory.
If you prefer the common colloquial usage of what theory means, along the lines of "speculation", "guess", or "conjecture", then of course it does. Anything anyone believes is a theory in that sense.
There is, of course, a continuum of what a person might mean when they say something is a theory. It's a question of semantics regarding what a "theory" is that quite often, and understandably, bothers many scientists when something scientific is discredited and dismissed on the basis that it is "only a theory".
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B.A.C.
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Evolution according to science is a fact AND a theory. Any Evolutionist that says otherwise is a LIAR. Google: "Evolution fact and theory" and read the results from the LEADING scientists and evolution websites.
Once you find the truth, they'll say "yea, but you don't understand what a theory is according to science".
Oh no? I'm pretty sure a "Theory" explains "Verifiable" and "Observable" facts (look it up). Evolution contains neither of these, as it takes millions of years for it to occur, and we can neither "verify" or "observe" these so called changes. We can only "guess" and use our "fallible" judgment concerning the "data" we have acquired.
Don't let the heathen BS you.
Once you find the truth, they'll say "yea, but you don't understand what a theory is according to science".
Oh no? I'm pretty sure a "Theory" explains "Verifiable" and "Observable" facts (look it up). Evolution contains neither of these, as it takes millions of years for it to occur, and we can neither "verify" or "observe" these so called changes. We can only "guess" and use our "fallible" judgment concerning the "data" we have acquired.
Don't let the heathen BS you.
Sanitarium
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Aero_Hudson
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I see Evolution as a theory but not a verifiable fact at this time.
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B.A.C.
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Sanitarium said:
Sorry if you don't like it. I call it the way it is. I understand what he said in that post, I don't agree with it, BIG difference.
Evolution is NOT a theory. It is a fact or collection of facts that Evolutionary Theory attempts to explain.
Is Gravity a theory? No. It is a fact that is explained by Gravitational Theory and the LAWS of Gravity....I could go on and on...
Wake up.
Like I said Google: "Evolution fact and theory", this is a LIE, period.
I'm not going to argue with heathen's about Evolution, you follow your gods (scientists) and I'll follow THE God.
God Bless You and may you accept Jesus Christ as your Savior. :amen
coelacanth
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I googled it. Which scientists in which quotes are you referring to?B.A.C. said:
If don't know if you do really understand what a theory is in the realm of science... we have enormous stockpiles of verifiable observations. What exactly is it that takes millions of years? You should be more specific. We can see natural selection occur within a generation. These would cause changes in allele frequency in the next generation of whatever species you are speaking of. That’s evolution. So it depends on the generation time of the species in question. You should be more specific, and your comments are misleading to those who don't know any better.
Let's go to Bio 101: For allele frequencies not to change, the Hardy-Weinberg Equilibrium principles would have to be met. How many populations do you know of that exhibit all of the things listed below?
1) Random mating
2) Large population size (ideally infinite in order to avoid genetic drift)
3) No mutations occurring
4) No migration in or out of the population
5) All individuals have an equal chance of survival and reproduction
So, I ask again, what is not observable and verifiable?
Is your judgment infallible when you decide not to believe in evolution? Is it infallible when you decide to believe in God? We can do more than “guessâ€Â, and you can do better than that.
And by the way, how are you not contradicting yourself here?
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Were you speaking of facts other than the type of facts that are verifiable and observable?
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B.A.C.
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Were you speaking of facts other than the type of facts that are verifiable and observable?[/quote:1m2iwe2v]
Here's the first 6 sites you will hit in a Google search:
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Evolution is a Fact and a Theory
Evolution is both a fact and a theory. Biologists consider the existence of evolution to be a fact in much the same way that physicists do so for gravity.
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Evolution: Fact and Theory (ActionBioscience)
Evolution, in this context, is both a fact and a theory. It is an incontrovertible fact that organisms have changed, or evolved, during the history of life ...
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Stephen Jay Gould, "Evolution as Fact and Theory" 1994
[ Stephen Jay Gould, "Evolution as Fact and Theory," Discover 2 (May 1981): 34-37; Reprinted here with permission from Hen's Teeth and Horse's Toes, ...
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Evolution - Fact AND Theory
This article states that the most common misconception people have about evolution is that it is a theory. It then explains that evolution is a FACT and ...
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Evolution as theory and fact - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The distinction between fact and theory is not limited to the study of evolution. The law of gravity is a scientific fact that bodies of mass attract each ...
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Evolution: Fact Or Theory? How Can It Be Both? What's the Difference?
There is some confusion about evolution as a fact and evolution as a theory. Often you can find critics claiming that evolution is 'just a theory' rather ...
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These are all stating that Evolution is BOTH a fact AND a theory.
You don't have to go Bio 101 with me, ok? Evolution of a species in terms of ADAPTATION to their environment is verifiable and observable. We have NEVER and will NEVER see a whole new species emerge from an existing one (mutated fruit flies, and finches with different sized beaks are still the same species).
I didn't contradict myself at all. Evolution is NOT a theory. Evolutionary Theory IS a theory. It's simple logic. How about you show me another fact that is considered BOTH fact AND theory? I'd like to see it. I'll save you the trouble of trying to find one, it doesn't exist. That's because it's deception that is used to disclaim the Word of God. Period.
I'm not bothering to debate about Evolutionary Theory anymore, it's useless. Let's agree to disagree about that.
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I will draw the line when people are using facts in place of theory and vice versa. If you can't understand that a fact can NEVER be a theory and a theory can NEVER be a fact, then please go do some more research on what a theory is.....or continue to fall for the lie.
In Jesus,
BAC
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B.A.C.
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The Barbarian said:
Yes!!!! :D
That's all I've been griping about. Science is now stating that Evolution is BOTH fact AND theory. Which is wrong.
Some people just don't see this or refuse to state this simple fact. Including Christians.
Thanks Barbarian.
In Jesus,
BAC
coelacanth
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B.A.C. I get what you're trying to say about the distinction between fact and theory, you just have not been saying it very well.
What specifically are you speaking of that will never happen? Speciation? What kind of changes would have to take place for you to call it a "new species"?B.A.C. said:
You did contradict yourself, and your answer here does not address the contradiction in the terms. Terminology which you yourself were drawing a sharp distinction between.
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coelacanth said:
I've been saying it VERY clearly. Evolution is a fact. Evolutionary Theory is not a fact. How much clearer can I be?
Well, for one thing Scientists can't even define what a species is, unless there has been a recent development. Secondly, we have never seen a new "kind" of animal arise from an existing "kind" of animal. I think that's pretty clear, no?
Yes I did inadvertently contradict myself, I meant Evolutionary Theory (not Evolution as a fact) isn't verifiable or observable. I apologize. It's the whole problem with this sort of word play ie; Evolution as BOTH fact AND theory. If I as a Christian say I agree that Evolution is a fact, you'll think I mean the theory and that I'm contradicting myself, when in fact I am not. I believe Evolution is a fact, at least as far as Natural Selection goes. We can verify and observe this, and the Bible also agrees with this (not that it matters to most Christians anymore). What I don't believe is the "Common Ancestor", which alludes to Abiogenesis (although science will say they have nothing to do with each other). We all know of The Law of Biogenesis. Scientists keep trying to find things to prove Evolutionary Theory, they have concluded the theory is right, and ever since then have been trying to find facts to prove it. That's not how a good scientific theory works (as I'm sure you know).
Anyway, like I said, I don't want to debate Evolutionary Theory, I've been there and done that. Both camps are at a stand still and we're just banging our heads off the wall. I DID however want to clarify and rebuke this dual definition people are using.
In Jesus,
BAC