[_ Old Earth _] Is evolution a religion?

[Quath]

Ooops.. Another off topic post.

I like the Wheel of Time. I am on the 9th book. I also wish he would come up with an ending. It is getting a little drawn out.

Quath

 

[cubedbee]

According to the Wheel of Time FAQ, Tuatha'an is a contraction for Tuatha de Danaan, which are apparently magical beings from Ireland. So both the metal band and the author derived the name from the same source.

 

[Asimov]

According to the Wheel of Time FAQ, Tuatha'an is a contraction for Tuatha de Danaan, which are apparently magical beings from Ireland. So both the metal band and the author derived the name from the same source.

I too, cannot wait for the next book, due out early next year. I've read the first 6 books 4 times, and the last 4 books I'm on the second reading. It's interesting where he derives a lot of his names from. Such as Shai'Tan, is the hebrew word for Satan, if I'm not mistaken. My apologies if this reeled the posts off-topic.

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

I'll take a nice new Culture novel any day.
At any rate, Tuatha'an, we, in the BBS business call a reply to a thread that hasn't been replied to in 2 weeks Necromancy. It's typically looked down upon, because it's just an old topic, it's like bringing up something in conversation that we were talking about yesterday and were roughly finished with.

Just a friendly tip.
*Gridfires topic.

 

[Guest]

:D Hi' there. Just wondering if you all want to check out a few good
websites on the subjects the topic is about now?
http://evolution-facts.org/default.htm
http://www.origins.org/articles/vitz_ps ... heism.html
http://www.islandnet.com/~hornowl/Paganism.html
http://www.eaglesnesthome.com/creation.htm
http://www.resurrectisis.org/PaganGenesis.htm

 

[Guest]

:B-fly: here is one that I forgot to post:
http://www.resurrectisis.org/PaganEvolution.htm
sorry!

 

[cubedbee]

:B-fly: here is one that I forgot to post:
http://www.resurrectisis.org/PaganEvolution.htm
sorry!

Blue, this is the website that lies and says Jesus is the follower of Isis. Why are you continuing to post it? If it lies about Jesus, how are we to trust anything it says about evolution?

 

[Guest]

:B-fly: here is one that I forgot to post:
http://www.resurrectisis.org/PaganEvolution.htm
sorry!

Blue, this is the website that lies and says Jesus is the follower of Isis. Why are you continuing to post it? If it lies about Jesus, how are we to trust anything it says about evolution?

:B-fly: Yes,I know it lies,but it just points out the fact that evolution
came from ancient religions in it's beginning.
I'm just trying to show that evolution is not new,and that it is a faith
based belief for many people even now.

 

[Guest]

Blue, this is the website that lies and says Jesus is the follower of Isis. Why are you continuing to post it? If it lies about Jesus, how are we to trust anything it says about evolution?

:D I am glad you noticed that it does lie,but at the same time
there are many others that point out the ancient roots of evolution
in other religions.Doesn't it help you to know that some people feel
that religion and evolution harmonize together? Even in ancient times?

 

[cubedbee]

Blue, this is the website that lies and says Jesus is the follower of Isis. Why are you continuing to post it? If it lies about Jesus, how are we to trust anything it says about evolution?

:D I am glad you noticed that it does lie,but at the same time
there are many others that point out the ancient roots of evolution
in other religions.Doesn't it help you to know that some people feel
that religion and evolution harmonize together? Even in ancient times?

Blue, we know this website makes up lies. Show me one other source that says evolution comes from pagans religions. If you can't find one, then I'm going to have to conclude that this is just another lie from a lying website.

 

[Guest]

Blue, this is the website that lies and says Jesus is the follower of Isis. Why are you continuing to post it? If it lies about Jesus, how are we to trust anything it says about evolution?

:D I am glad you noticed that it does lie,but at the same time
there are many others that point out the ancient roots of evolution
in other religions.Doesn't it help you to know that some people feel
that religion and evolution harmonize together? Even in ancient times?

Blue, we know this website makes up lies. Show me one other source that says evolution comes from pagans religions. If you can't find one, then I'm going to have to conclude that this is just another lie from a lying website.

:B-fly: O.K. They are out there,and there are books too.
Just hang tight.

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

Here's something you ought to be searching for yourself, blue, look for Primary sources. A primary source is something written by someone directly involved in an event, at the time. Finding them is pretty hard but they result in historical evidence that give the clearest possible view of humanity's past.

 

[Guest]

Here's something you ought to be searching for yourself, blue, look for Primary sources. A primary source is something written by someone directly involved in an event, at the time. Finding them is pretty hard but they result in historical evidence that give the clearest possible view of humanity's past.

:B-fly: For me,the bible gives the clearest possible view of our past,
and our present,plus our future.
You give me a good healthy debate though,and I like that.

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

And it's anecdotal on many of the things that it says happened without further archeological evidence and other primary sources.
For instance, numerous accounts were written on the Bounty mutiny, the Captain gave an account of the mutiny, several of the men who returned with him did as well, the men who went about mutinying gave an account. You can extrapolate measures of truth from them but it takes work. Bligh said he was the most generous person in the world to Christian, however other accounts show that Bligh's unnecessary rationning, hurtfulness, and unmitigated rage and torment of his crew created the situation where mutiny was viable. Which is true? Was Bligh a benign captain, or a tyrant? Was Christian provoked or unprovoked?

 

[Guest]

And it's anecdotal on many of the things that it says happened without further archeological evidence and other primary sources.
For instance, numerous accounts were written on the Bounty mutiny, the Captain gave an account of the mutiny, several of the men who returned with him did as well, the men who went about mutinying gave an account. You can extrapolate measures of truth from them but it takes work. Bligh said he was the most generous person in the world to Christian, however other accounts show that Bligh's unnecessary rationning, hurtfulness, and unmitigated rage and torment of his crew created the situation where mutiny was viable. Which is true? Was Bligh a benign captain, or a tyrant? Was Christian provoked or unprovoked?

:robot: Do you ever read anything thats not in the fiction department?

 

[paxigoth7]

Is evolution a religion?

I think the answer is between yes and no. On its own, it doesn't have enough of an over arching structure to be its own religion. However, creation mythology is part of any religion. Every religion has creation mythology that answers the 'where did we come from' question and the answer that each religion gives reflects the worldview of that religion. So yes, there is an obvious relationship.

People do not really have an answer to 'where did we come from?' At least not a scientific/mathematic answer. We need to get over ourselves. No human was there, no human could write 'history' about it. Oh well.

We do not have historical accounts of 'where we came from'. But we do have theological answers to the question. It seems as though the theology is always encased in mythology, so we have to demythologise to tease out the theological conclusions of any given creation story.

Evolution is just one, among many, creation myths. It can take its place with the Enuma Elish and everything else for that matter. Is evolution 'literally' true? No, of course not, not in a million years. I don't think we literally came from apes any more than I think that ancient gods played around with their powers and humankind appeared. Nor I do think that there is anything in the Genesis account that needs to be taken 'literally'. All of this type of debating is just a silly cover up mask for real issues.

The Christian answer to 'where did we come from?' is true regardless of what literally did or did not happen. Genesis is true metaphorically, but not literally. I agree entirely with the theological conclusions: 1. Life has meaning. 2. Creation was initially good. 3. We were intelligently designed 4. Life is about God, not us 5. We were created to know and serve God 6. We (and NOT God/s) are responsible for screwing things up, so now we live in sin, 'east of Eden' 7. The world is ultimately in God's hands and not ours. I accept all of this as absolute truth and there isn't any "fact" that could make me think otherwise.

What are the conclusions of evolution?
1. Life has no meaning 2. Creation is not initially good... it's about strength and power, not 'goodness'. 3. We were not designed, we just sort of happened 4. Life is about us and not God 5. God doesn't really exist 6. Things are only screwed up for the weak and ---

Well this is where the skubala hits the fan. What did or did not literally happen is irrelevant. What is relevant is the meaning we derive from whatever creation story we believe. As you can see, the theology of evolution is an inversion of the theology of Genesis. Thus, evolution's theology (even if it were factually true, though I really think it isn't) is satanic. Evolution is not true, either literally or metaphorically.

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

And it's anecdotal on many of the things that it says happened without further archeological evidence and other primary sources.
For instance, numerous accounts were written on the Bounty mutiny, the Captain gave an account of the mutiny, several of the men who returned with him did as well, the men who went about mutinying gave an account. You can extrapolate measures of truth from them but it takes work. Bligh said he was the most generous person in the world to Christian, however other accounts show that Bligh's unnecessary rationning, hurtfulness, and unmitigated rage and torment of his crew created the situation where mutiny was viable. Which is true? Was Bligh a benign captain, or a tyrant? Was Christian provoked or unprovoked?

:robot: Do you ever read anything thats not in the fiction department?

?
Are you denying that the Bounty Mutiny happened?

 

[Guest]

[quote="SyntaxVorlon
:robot: Do you ever read anything thats not in the fiction department?[/quote]
?
Are you denying that the Bounty Mutiny happened?

:Fade-color Are you denying that it contradicts itself and casts
great doubts about itself?
Is the story of Joan of Arc a true story? If so,which version of the story?
Is Moby Dick a true story? Does it have witnesses?
What about the legends of Jesse James and Belle Star?
Was Christopher Columbus a jewish man or not?

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

:robot: Do you ever read anything thats not in the fiction department?

?
Are you denying that the Bounty Mutiny happened?

:Fade-color Are you denying that it contradicts itself and casts
great doubts about itself?
Is the story of Joan of Arc a true story? If so,which version of the story?
Is Moby Dick a true story? Does it have witnesses?
What about the legends of Jesse James and Belle Star?
Was Christopher Columbus a jewish man or not?

No I don't deny that there are contradictions in the various stories, the ability to see beyond those contradictions is necessary for historical study. What do the rest of your questions have to do with ANYTHING BLUE? You need to realize that I was using an example to clarify my point about the usefulness of multiple sources in studying history.
Tell me, do you deny that there are contradictions in the bible?

 

[Guest]

:robot: Do you ever read anything thats not in the fiction department?

?
Are you denying that the Bounty Mutiny happened?

:Fade-color Are you denying that it contradicts itself and casts
great doubts about itself?
Is the story of Joan of Arc a true story? If so,which version of the story?
Is Moby Dick a true story? Does it have witnesses?
What about the legends of Jesse James and Belle Star?
Was Christopher Columbus a jewish man or not?

No I don't deny that there are contradictions in the various stories, the ability to see beyond those contradictions is necessary for historical study. What do the rest of your questions have to do with ANYTHING BLUE? You need to realize that I was using an example to clarify my point about the usefulness of multiple sources in studying history.
Tell me, do you deny that there are contradictions in the bible?

:roll: The Bible may appear to contradict itself at first,but it really does
not contradict itself at all. You must study it,and research for yourself to
know that,but before you can even get that far,you must truly seek God.
If not,you cannot know what the bible is saying or what it really means.
My questions are very honest and good questions. They just point to the
fact that you have no known legitimate sources to collect your data from.