[_ Old Earth _] Is evolution based on racism?

[Dave Slayer]

Is evolution based on racism? Some believe that many used evolution as means to be racist and slaughter the Jews and other races. Was Charles Darwin a racist?

 

[John]

Hitlers belief in evolution was a aiding factor in his extermination of the Jews. I am not able to discern whether or not Darwin was a racist.

 

[Nick]

while evil people like HItler may have believed in evolution, that doesn't mean that evolution is evil or racist. I really don't know whether Charles Darwin inteded any racisim in his theory. Is there anything in the Theory of Evolution that could be interpreted as racist? I haven't closely examined the theory, didn't spend much time on it at school.

 

[John]

If evolution is true then some races of human must have evolved further making some humans superior then others this thinking led to Hitlers reign. Arian..The Arian race..the "superior" race.

This Genocide of Hitlers was based solely upon an evolutionist mind set.

 

[Nick]

If evolution is true then some races of human must have evolved further making some humans superior then others this thinking led to Hitlers reign. Arian..The Arian race..the "superior" race.

This Genocide of Hitlers was based solely upon an evolutionist mind set.

can we find solid evidence this is true? (the first part). I'm well aware of Hitler's regine. I doubt we can find proof on this.

 

[Sanitarium]

Is evolution based on racism?

No.

Some believe

"Some believe" is used in journalism to mean "I think but I can't say that because I'm supposed to be impartial"

that many used evolution

How do you 'use evolution'?

as means

Again how do you 'use' evolution? How can you employ it as a means to your end? This makes no sense.

to be racist

Again I state you cannot 'use' evolution, but even if you could, if these people you speak of used the IDEA of evolution, then they were ALREADY racist and may have somehow twisted their own understanding of evolution and claimed <racist rants>.

Now may we have examples of who these people are?

and slaughter the Jews

Like who? Hitler? He had the belief of the supremacy of the Aryan nation. Although what he tried to do was a form of artificial selection - and that does not bear on the theory of evolution by natural selection.

Oh and if you're talking about those OTHER people <who cannot be named> they were big on pogroms - they did not use evolution. They were hellbent [haha pun intended] on keeping us in the 'dark ages' (which they were responsible for) and denying access to the bible, AND revenging the 'christ killers.'

(but wait they're all beliefs that have nothing to do with evolution hmm)

and other races.

Well you haven't given any examples so I cannot address them specifically, although I'll venture a guess and say these people had OTHER beliefs that caused them to act - if they even believed in evolution at all.

Was Charles Darwin a racist?

Maybe, but who cares? This would be an ad hominem - attacking the messenger. The fact is, it doesn't matter if Darwin was the worst person who ever existed, or the epitome of sainthood - it has no bearing on the Scientifically validated theory he put forward.

 

[Guest]

If evolution is true then some races of human must have evolved further making some humans superior then others this thinking led to Hitlers reign.

It would be reasonable to draw such a conclusion amongst comparative human groups based on a one-dimensional understanding of human evolution and natural selection. However, such an understanding does not account for the complex nature of human evolution and natural selection, and as one begins to gain a better understanding of these it becomes much more difficult to maintain the superiority of one human group over another. This becomes even more so the case with modern technology.

 

[Sanitarium]

Hitlers belief in evolution was a aiding factor in his extermination of the Jews.

Source please.

If evolution is true then some races of human must have evolved further making some humans superior then others this thinking led to Hitlers reign.

Umm no. Evolution hasn't 'stopped' by the way, it 's still going. What is it about the theory of evolution that makes you think that some 'races' of human must be 'superior' to others? Have you ever heard of the phrase "the human race"?

Arian..The Arian race..the "superior" race.

Yes, an attempt at artificial selection. So what? Dogs are also a result of artificial selection - so guided breeding was not a new thing (or 'inspired' by evolution).

This Genocide of Hitlers was based solely upon an evolutionist mind set.

How do you get from Aryan supremacy to 'evolution must have caused the genocide'? The fact of the matter is that Hitler hated the Jews - he blamed them for all societies ills. Others joined him in this hatred; some Churches opened their geneaology archives to assist in finding out who had Jewish lineage - also note that Hitler was not ex-communicated by this Church for his genocide.

Also have a look at this - Muslims also got in on the killing.

 

[Dave Slayer]

Evolution hasn't 'stopped' by the way, it 's still going

Perhaps I will evolve into an elephant someday! I am pretty close, wouldn't you say?

 

[Dave Slayer]

How much longer will evolution continue? When will it's clock tick it's last? Is it possible we will be half humans and half hippo's someday? What is Biblical?

 

[Sanitarium]

Perhaps I will evolve into an elephant someday!

No.

I am pretty close, wouldn't you say?

:D :D :D

 

[John]

How much longer will evolution continue? When will it's clock tick it's last? Is it possible we will be half humans and half hippo's someday? What is Biblical?

Evolution is not Biblical so in that light Evolutions "clock" has never started nor will it ever start.

 

[Dave Slayer]

Evolution is not Biblical so in that light Evolutions "clock" has never started nor will it ever start.

I wonder why many incist evolution is true? I mean, it's not Biblical, right?

 

[Rick W]

Evolution is the search for another beginning by what is currently seen, what has already been created. It's like holding one of the fishes Christ created arguing the fish is much older than just a few minutes or hours due the the evidence clearly seen. It's a mature fish. It has age and a beginning but not an age measured in hours and certainly a beginning as understood from what has already been observed.

We have no way to test for a newly created thing. We have no scientific laws by which to understand it. We presume age by what is seen, by our own laws, based on what has already been created, because the only thing left is the fish in our hand. Age has been pushed much further back than the actual event of creation.

 

[Fembot]

:bigfrown *sigh*

 

[John]

Evolution is the search for another beginning by what is currently seen, what has already been created. It's like holding one of the fishes Christ created arguing the fish is much older than just a few minutes or hours due the the evidence clearly seen. It's a mature fish. It has age and a beginning but not an age measured in hours and certainly a beginning as understood from what has already been observed.

We have no way to test for a newly created thing. We have no scientific laws by which to understand it. We presume age by what is seen, by our own laws, based on what has already been created, because the only thing left is the fish in our hand. Age has been pushed much further back than the actual event of creation.

 

[Crying Rock]

Is evolution based on racism?

No. Macroevolution is based on vivid imaginations.

 

[Kilomech]

Evolution is not Biblical so in that light Evolutions "clock" has never started nor will it ever start.

I wonder why many incist evolution is true? I mean, it's not Biblical, right?

Plenty of scientific theories are not "biblical" (in the Bible) but that doesn't automatically prove them false. The Bible and its many books was written a very, very long time ago. Science is still relatively new in its discoveries, we're still finding things out.

And Dave, what is it going to take for you to believe that evolution does not mean that one species can evolve into another existing species?

 

[Barbarian]

The inspiration for most of the Holocaust was Luther's "The Jews and Their Lies, a fact the Nazis freely admitted.

 

[Sir Pwn4lot]

Is evolution based on racism? Some believe that many used evolution as means to be racist and slaughter the Jews and other races. Was Charles Darwin a racist?

Is gravity murdering because it hangs people by the neck? Lol.

Racism is when you unjustly make a racially stereotyped comment or action. Evolution doesn't stereotype black people for example, it just points out that they're black, is that racist?

Charles Dawin might have been a racist but I have no reason to believe he was, I don't know, but based on his personality I'd doubt it.

if you're implying that he discovered evolution for racist motivations then you're duly mistaken. Evolution is in no way contingent on Darwin, he has contributed almost nothing compared to the evidence we have now.

Plus it's an argument from consequences, if it's true it's true, it doesn't matter if it's unpleasant. 10,000 kids starving to death is a pretty terrible thing, but does that make poverty false?