Is it a sin to eat pork?

[Dave Slayer]

Is it a sin to eat pork? I don't know if this has been discussed, but I have heard that eating meat from a pig is a sin because the meat is dirty or something. Is that Biblical?

 

[handy]

It used to be Biblical. Under God's law in the Old Testament the Israelites could only eat meat from animals that both chewed the cud (ruminates) and had solid hooves. Cows OK, sheep OK, pigs and horses no.

However, Peter was given a vision in which God stated that He declared all foods to be considered clean, and gentile Christians were never put "under the law" anyway, so the prohibition for eating pork is done away with, unless one wants to yoke themselves to the law.

 

[Elijah674]

It used to be Biblical. Under God's law in the Old Testament the Israelites could only eat meat from animals that both chewed the cud (ruminates) and had solid hooves. Cows OK, sheep OK, pigs and horses no.

However, Peter was given a vision in which God stated that He declared all foods to be considered clean, and gentile Christians were never put "under the law" anyway, so the prohibition for eating pork is done away with, unless one wants to yoke themselves to the law.

God DOES NOT CHANGE! Heb. 13:8-9! Study Peters 3 time visioncarefully! ;)

Anyway, this is the BOTTOM/LINE of WHY one serves the Master below here. Every time the word of WORK comes up.. THINK OF WHY ONE WORKS?? LOVE IS THE BORN AGAIN [[[MOTIVE]] and is REQUIRED.Jas. 1 & 2 (in part)


[22] But be ye doers of the word, (OBEDIENCE = LOVING WORKS) and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

[23] For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
[24] For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.

[25] But whose looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.


Jas.2

[8] If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
(Two Tables of the Eternal Ten)

[9] But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

[10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

In Exod. 16 God TESTED these ones on just one of His Commandments, the 7Th Day Sabbath fourth one to see if they would break them all, or remain faithful? and in ibid. 27-28 He said that they by breaking only this one Commandment, they.. 'REFUSE YE TO KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS and laws.' & again in verse 35 they were about to enter THEIR LAND OF CANAAN! And us?? This will be the EXACT same bottom/line TESTING in the 666 Test before we are safe to save! Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15 twice DOCUMENTED as in Gen. 41:32 + Nah.. 1:9! TESTING! CONDITIONS!!

[11] For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

What LAW? right back to the Royal Law of the Godhead! Liberty when kept & bondage when broken!

[12] So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

See Eccl. 12:13-14 for the FINAL CONCLUSION!

[13] For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

[14] What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
...

[17] Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

And one is daily fed by the devil & his agents & even the whole of his false folds, his teachings that God has 'again' lied! and that there are NO CONDITIONS for having Salvation!

[18] Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

[19] Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Before it is all over, we will see 'all' of these agents tremble! Mal. 4:1-4 + Obad. 1:16. Sure, at present they are seen to thumb their nose at God without fear, Eze. 9:14 (they are searing their conscience daily!) but it will not always be so! For they will fear the Lake of fire where these ones will End up! Luke 12:47-48.

[20] But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Any church or false 1/2 'believer' that states that there are NO CONDITIONS for salvation [IS DEAD!].

[21] Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
[22] Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
[23] And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

[24] Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

If ye LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS + NO EATING PORK!
...
[26] For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without (LOVING OBEDIENT WORKS OF OBEDIENCE) works is dead also.

+ all of satan's Gen. 4:7's DESIRED agents as well!

 

[Cornelius]

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a feast day or a new moon or a sabbath day:

That law has nothing to do with Christians.

 

[Fembot]

I've discussed this ad nauseam.

“And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth
not the cud; he is unclean to youâ€Â.

“Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch,
they are unclean to you.†Leviticus 11:7-8

Pork is also prohibited in the Bible in the book of Deuteronomy

“And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud,
it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their
dead carcass.†Deuteronomy 14:8

Eating of pork can cause seventy different types of diseases. Why wouldn't we just listen to what God says-specifically and out right, in this case? The whole book is for us to learn from not parts of it.

 

[handy]

I've discussed this ad nauseam.

“And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth
not the cud; he is unclean to youâ€Â.

“Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch,
they are unclean to you.†Leviticus 11:7-8

Pork is also prohibited in the Bible in the book of Deuteronomy

“And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud,
it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their
dead carcass.†Deuteronomy 14:8

Eating of pork can cause seventy different types of diseases. Why wouldn't we just listen to what God says-specifically and out right, in this case? The whole book is for us to learn from not parts of it.

True, one might find many reasons as to why one wouldn't want to eat pork. And, I do believe that the main reason why God made the food laws that He made was largely due to the unsanitary conditions and the almost impossibility of properly curing and cooking pork so that Israelites wouldn't get diseases from it.

However, the question is whether or not it's a sin to eat pork. And it isn't. We are not under those laws. Since we do have the knowledge and means of properly preparing pork and eating safely, then there is no reason not to.

 

[Fembot]

Actually handy, even today pork can give us roundworms, pinworms, hookworms, etc. along with 70 different types of diseases. It still stands as dirty meat. But I don't believe it is a sin like "thou shalt not kill." Then again, what are we really doing in the long rub when we eat something that we have been told can and will kill us? I'm not judging anyone. Just stating the fact of the matter. Maybe I can help answer someone's question if they happen to search this subject on google.

I believe it was on this forum that a brother posted a video of a woman who had a worm in her brain as a result of eating pulled pork. I'll have to find it if you really want to see for yourself...But I just gave the Bible quotes that clearly state why we shouldn't consume pork.

 

[Caroline H]

what are we really doing in the long rub when we eat something that we have been told can and will kill us?

Where have we been told that it will kill us? If you want to go that route, thinking that it can give us diseases and such, then let's don't ever get a blood transfusion, drink water, swim in a public pool (remember the ecoli scare at the water park?), drive a car, fly in a plane...

Heck, if there were cars back in the OT times I'm sure God would have said "thou shalt not drive in a car" because it is much more dangerous than eating pork. But the truth is that He gave them that commandment to illustrate separation from evil things. Swine eat anything and are thus unclean, and that is a picture of the "world". Israel was to be clean in an unclean world, and so God gave them these dietary laws as an outward sign of what they were to be on the inside, like circumcision. Sure, it could have had more practical reasons as well, such as have been mentioned by Handy, but I think the main issue was that it represented sin.

Is it a sin for us to eat pork now? No, as we are not under the law of the Israelites save two...Love the Lord with all our heart, and love our neighbour as ourselves.

 

[Drew]

However, Peter was given a vision in which God stated that He declared all foods to be considered clean, and gentile Christians were never put "under the law" anyway, so the prohibition for eating pork is done away with, unless one wants to yoke themselves to the law.

Correct. Plus we have the clear statement by Jesus in Mark 7 that nothing that goes into the stomach defiles a man.

 

[Drew]

God DOES NOT CHANGE! Heb. 13:8-9! Study Peters 3 time visioncarefully! ;)

I suspect we all agree that God does not change. But one cannot thereby conclude that He did not institute the Levicitical food laws for a specific purpose and for a specific time. It is clear from both Paul and Jesus that the food laws ended at the cross.

The thinking you are advocating seems to be this:

1. God does not change;
2. Therefore any "ordnance" that God ever gives must be permanent

Well, we know of at least one exception to this. In the book of Revelation the new Jerusalem has no temple. Well, many of the elements of the Torah require a temple. So those temple-specific ordances clearly have a time limit.

 

[Drew]

Eating of pork can cause seventy different types of diseases. Why wouldn't we just listen to what God says-specifically and out right, in this case? The whole book is for us to learn from not parts of it.

Well, Jesus certainly thinks pork is ok:

And He said to them, "Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, 19because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?" (Thus He declared all foods clean.)

The irony of your admontion that we "learn from the whole book" is that is precisely the whole Bilbe that tells us of a story of redemption in which the Levitical food laws served a temporary function. So looking at the big picture actually supports the conclusion that it is now acceptable for all to eat pork.

 

[Fembot]

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Hmmmm. Seems that heart disease is a foreign term, these days. As Christians, please view this as a helpful move on my part. I am not judging anyone. I have to keep repeating that because it seems that some people are getting offended and have become argumentative.
If you want to eat pork, it's your business... If you want to be 300lbs-that's your business too. Just a bit on the possible health hazzards associated with eating pork... Ignore it if you please ;) :yes But remember:

“You are the temple of God†(I Cor. 3:16). :amen

The following lists show germs or parasites that are found in pork and some diseases caused by them. Many of these diseases are contagious while some are proven fatal.

PARASITIC DISEASES
a) TRICHINELLA SPIRATIS ( Trichina worms )
It is the most dangerous parasite to man ( Rheumatism and muscular pain). The infected persons shown no symptoms, recover very slowly some die, some reduced to permanent invalids. No one is immune from this disease and there is no cure.

b) TAENIA SOLIUM ( Pork tape worm )
The worm causes malnourishment of the person leading to anemia, diarrhea, extreme depression melancholia and digestive disturbances. Cysticercosis means that larva enter the blood stream then settle down in one or more of the vital organs of the body, for example: brain, liver, lungs or spinal cord. They grow and encapsulate, inducing pressure to the
system around, resulting in dangerous diseases (diarrhea,digestive disorder, anemia, chronic invalidation).

c) ROUND WORMS
Examples: Ascaris, which may lead to digestive disturbances, appendicitis, obstructive jaundice.

d) HOOK WORMS
Examples:Ancylostomiasis, which may lead to anemia, oedema, heart failure or retarded growth ( mental and physical), tuberculosis,
diarrhea and typhoid.

e) SCHITOSOMA JAPONICUM
Bleeding, anemia and other syndromes. If ova are settled in the brain or spinal cord, paralysis and death may occur.

f) PARAGOMINES WESTERMAINI
Infestation leading to bleeding of the lungs ( endenve haemoptysis)

g) PACIOLEPSIS BUSKI
Digestive disturbances leading to persistent diarrhea; generalized oedema.

h) CLONORCHIS SINENSIS
chlonorchiasis-obstructive jaundice, liver enlargement.

i) METASTRONGYLUS APRI
Causes bronchitis, abscess of the lungs.

j) GIGANTHORINCHUS GIGAS
Cause anemia and digestive disorders.

k) BALATITIDIUM COLI
Causes acute dysentery and general weakness.

BACTERIAL DISEASES
Tuberculosis
Fusiformis necrofurus: causing foot-rot which is very difficult to heal.
Salmonella Cholera suis: causing cholera

Paratyphoid
Bruceellosis: Acute, sub acute and chronic. It may lead to permanent disabilities.
Swine Erysipelas: causing Erypelas in man.

Viral Diseases
Small pox: is was a source of infection to man.
Japanese B-encepphalitis: It is the source of infection
Influenza, foot mouth disease, gas tro-enteritis of the new born babies.

Protozoal Diseases:
Toxo plasma goundii- It is a very dangerous diseases.A new born baby of an infected woman may die within few days or weeks after delivery. But if he survives he may develop blindness or deafness.In adult chronic exhaustive fever with enlarged liver and spleen may occur. Pneumonia, or celebro- spinal meninggitis which may lead to death or madness. The patient may become blind and deaf too.

Fats In Pigs:
Pork contains more fats than other meats. Therefore, people who are fond of pork are more obese than others. Cholesterol is higher in their blood thus making them more prone to asthereosclerosis cardiovascular accidents and sudden death.

Other Diseases:
Flesh of the pork is hard to digest and may lead to chronic digestive disturbances. Pimples, boils, cysts are common in pork eaters. These are some of the parasites and diseases found in pork and/ or the skin of pigs and certainly there are many more. There is still no means of killing these parasites, in the tissues, neither has anyone found a method of expelling them, even produced any specific treatment for the diseases.

Apparently, if you want to see the worms crawl out of the pork, take it out of your freezer, let it thaw, and pour coke on it and come back in about 2 hours.. should see a nice little carnival of worms ;) Enjoy... click the link to see for yourself...

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A message from the Health Corporation of Singapore about the Bad effects of pork consumption. Pig's bodies contain MANY TOXINS, WORMS and LATENT DISEASES.

Although some of these infestations are harboured in other animals, modern veterinarians say that pigs are far MORE PREDISPOSED to these illnesses than other animals. This could be because PIGS like to SCAVENGE and will eat ANY kind of food, INCLUDING dead insects, worms, rotting carcasses, excreta including their own, garbage, and other pigs. INFLUENZA (flu) is one of the MOST famous illnesses which pigs share with humans. This illness is haboured in the LUNGS of pigs during the summer months and tends to affect pigs and human in the cooler months.

Sausage contains bits of pigs' lungs, so those who EAT pork sausage tend to SUFFER MORE during EPIDEMICS of INFLUENZA. Pig meat contains EXCESSIVE quantities of HISTAMINE and IMIDAZOLE compounds, which can lead to ITCHING and INFLAMMATION; GROWTH HORMONE which PROMOTES INFLAMMATION and growth; sulphur containing mesenchymal mucus which leads to SWELLING and deposits of MUCUS in tendons and cartilage, resulting in ATHRITIS, RHEUMATISM, etc.

Sulphur helps cause FIRM human tendons and ligaments to be replaced by the pig's soft mesenchymal tissues, and degeneration of human cartilage.

http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/porkcoke.html

 

[follower of Christ]

Is it a sin to eat pork? I don't know if this has been discussed, but I have heard that eating meat from a pig is a sin because the meat is dirty or something. Is that Biblical?

No, it isnt.
And anyone who says it is MUST follow the WHOLE law...

I personally follow Pauls instruction by not letting ANYONE judge me in food or drink...
Those ordinances were nailed to the cross...

And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, having blotted out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and He has taken it out of the midst, nailing it to the cross. And having disarmed principalities and powers, He mocked them in public, triumphing over them in it.
Therefore do not let anyone judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or of a new moon or of sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ.
(Colossians 2:13-17 EMTV)



Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you,....
Since they were complete in Christ, had everything in him, were circumcised in him; and particularly since the handwriting of the law was blotted out, and torn to pieces through the nails of the cross of Christ, the apostle's conclusion is, that they should be judged by no man; they should not regard or submit to any man's judgment, as to the observance of the ceremonial law: Christ is the prophet who was to be raised up like unto Moses, and who only, and not Moses, is to be heard; saints are to call no man master upon earth but him; they are not to be the servants of men, nor should suffer any yoke of bondage to be imposed upon them; and should they be suffered and condemned by others, as if they were transgressors of the law, and their state bad, for not observing the rituals of the former dispensation, they should not regard such censures, for the judaizing Christians were very censorious, they were ready to look upon and condemn a man as an immoral man, as in a state of damnation, if he did not keep the law of Moses; but such rigid censures were to be disregarded, "let no man judge", or "condemn you"; and though they could not help or hinder the judgment and condemnation of men, yet they could despise them, and not be uneasy with them, but set light by them, as they ought to do. The Syriac version renders it, נדודכון, "let no man trouble you", or make you uneasy, by imposing ceremonies on you: the sense is, that the apostle would not have them submit to the yoke they would lay upon them, nor be terrified by their anathemas against them, for the non-observation of the things that follow:


in meat or in drink;
or on account of not observing the laws and rules about meats and drinks, in the law of Moses; such as related to the difference between clean and unclean creatures, to abstinence in Nazarites from wine and strong drink, and which forbid drinking out of an uncovered vessel, and which was not clean; hence the washing of cups, &c. religiously observed by the Pharisees.
There was no distinction of meats and drinks before the law, but all sorts of herbs and animals, without limitation, were given to be food for men; by the ceremonial law a difference was made between them, some were allowed, and others were forbidden; which law stood only in meats and drinks, and such like things, but is now abolished; for the kingdom of God, or the Gospel dispensation, does not lie in the observance of such outward things, but in internal ones, in righteousness and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost; it is not any thing that goes into the man that defiles, nor is anything in its own nature common or unclean, but every creature of God is good, so be it, it be used in moderation and with thankfulness:
-John Gill

 

[follower of Christ]

God DOES NOT CHANGE!

GOD doesnt....but the PRIESTHOOD has !
And where there is a change of the priesthood there is ALSO a change of the LAW !

If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
(Hebrews 7:11-12 KJV)

GOD doesnt have to change for the RULES to change !

 

[Fembot]

God also said we should not kill ourselves. So, if you decide to consciously consume something that will eventually kill you, what are you really doing?

True we can not stop sin completely. No one is perfect. But isn't this a simple observation?

DO you smoke as well? Because I'm sure we all agree this is not what God intended for s to do to our bodies.

 

[follower of Christ]

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Hmmmm. Seems that heart disease is a foreign term, these days. As Christians, please view this as a helpful move on my part. I am not judging anyone. I have to keep repeating that because it seems that some people are getting offended and have become argumentative.
If you want to eat pork, it's your business... If you want to be 300lbs-that's your business too. Just a bit on the possible health hazzards associated with eating pork... Ignore it if you please ;) :yes But remember:

“You are the temple of God†(I Cor. 3:16). :amen

And I hope that this means that NO one here is touching fast food of ANY sort but is eating ONLY home prepared meals made only from garden fresh veggies they grew themselves (dont want those nasty hormones or preservatives )

Pork when it is prepared properly poses NO more risk than eating any other meats...and ANY meat DOES inherently pose some risk these days...if it isnt mad cow disease its E.coli from contamination.

If we want to be technical the ONLY way to eat 'safe' is to grown our own crops.
I dont have enough time in my day to be that paranoid.
I eat a decent diet as far as the genetic disease I have will allow (which requires some thing that are 'bad' for me to keep an attack from happening, such as excessive sugars / carbohydrates).

 

[Caroline H]

God also said we should not kill ourselves. So, if you decide to consciously consume something that will eventually kill you, what are you really doing?

True we can not stop sin completely. No one is perfect. But isn't this a simple observation?

DO you smoke as well? Because I'm sure we all agree this is not what God intended for s to do to our bodies.

Fembot, you said it again that it will eventually kill you. Show me some evidence, did you not read my post?

 

[follower of Christ]

God also said we should not kill ourselves. So, if you decide to consciously consume something that will eventually kill you, what are you really doing?

True we can not stop sin completely. No one is perfect. But isn't this a simple observation?

DO you smoke as well? Because I'm sure we all agree this is not what God intended for s to do to our bodies.

I dont smoke or drink.
No just because smoking is 'bad' for everyone but also because smoke of any kind is a trigger for my genetic disease.

Prohibiting our 'consciously consuming' things that will 'eventually kill' us is slippery slope, for sure.
Can we list very many things that ANY Of us eat that cannot 'eventually kill' us ?

 

[Vic C.]

Is there such a thing as "free range pigs" Dora?


Ok, Fem, you made your point. Pig is bad to eat... so are shrimp, crab, lobster, mussels, scallops, etc. The OP asks "Is it a sin to eat pork?". If anyone cares to discuss the health issues of eating swine or any other foods, please start a new topic.

Thanks.

 

[Fembot]

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